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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Oldpuppymax

As second amendment rights have been routinely placed under assault by unscrupulous, criminally inspired, anti-liberty forces, we hereby reaffirm that the absolute right of law abiding American citizens to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Also, TERM LIMITS!!! US President—2 terms of 4 years each. US Senator—2 terms of 6 years each. US Congressman—4 terms of 2 years each. No other political office of any kind can be held for more than 8 years. NO ONE WHO HAS HELD AND POLITICAL OFFICE FOR 8 YEARS MAY RUN FOR OFFICE OF ANY KIND AGAIN. NO ONE WHO HAS HELD ELECTED POLITICAL OFFICE MAY HOLD ANY JOB WHICH INVOLVES POLITICS, POLITICAL POLICY MAKING, OR MAINTAIN ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH POLITICAL FACTIONS.
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201 posted on 07/18/2009 1:55:46 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I say the first step is to start a window war as was written by Mike Vanderboegh

Excerpt from Mike's story:

Moving a few steps to take advantage of the street light, Bob rotated the chunk so its flat side was up, and wrote across the top of the flat, "Second Amend." (he ran out of room). So he wrote underneath the first line in smaller letters: "Shall Not Be Infringed." He re-capped the marker, and placed the pen back in his jacket pocket.

His resolve had returned. He was going to do it now, even if a car came by. Even if a cop came by. He was going to send the Republicans an old-fashioned Sons-of-Liberty message. He didn't even check again to see if the street was clear, though it was. He positioned himself at what he judged was the proper distance and heaved the concrete telegram as hard as he could. With what seemed to him to be an atomic crash, the chunk sailed through the window easily. No alarm went off. Hobbs wasn't that kind of town. But Bob Stone began to run away.

...snip...

The story was picked up by the state Associated Press, and eventually made its way to USA Today and the New York Times.

...snip...

With "The Marion Incident", window-breaking on behalf of the Constitution began to spread. In about four weeks, 194 local headquarters of both parties were "ventilated" with rocks, bricks, concrete blocks, shotputs, lead weights, tire irons, antique civil war cannon balls and in the case of one Democratic party headquarters in Michigan, a twenty-pound brass jackass of unknown origin. Attached to, or written upon, each was the Second Amendment to the Constitution. Similiar missiles found glass targets at the homes of no fewer than 56 politicians of both parties who had been prominent supporters of gun-control.

...snip...

The Window War was won, and to the astonishment of many gun owners, no one had been killed. It had long been thought that bloodshed would be required to make the liberals understand that God-given rights are not compromisable. All it had taken was a few hundred rocks and other missiles and one brass jackass.


Of course we can write all types of messages on bricks...not just 2nd Amendment ones.
202 posted on 07/18/2009 1:57:36 PM PDT by ironwill (III - Molon Labe)
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To: mojitojoe

Hear, hear!!!!!


203 posted on 07/18/2009 1:58:12 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Travis McGee

As I have said before here, and other places, I will be in DC on 9/12. But in the final analysis, we will end up resorting to massive “civil disobedience” to disrupt the government. I am of the belief that the government will stop what they are doing when we shut them down. And not before.

Do we, the American people, have the will to do so before we no longer have the ability to do so?

If you don’t think so, get your passport now.


204 posted on 07/18/2009 2:01:54 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: anniegetyourgun

I’m in.


205 posted on 07/18/2009 2:02:47 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Datahead

>>They wouldn’t dare use violence against children and families...
Ruby Ridge? Waco? Just sayin’.

that wasn’t public and there weren’t a million of ‘em


206 posted on 07/18/2009 2:03:05 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: JustAmy
"Are there rooms with two beds available? I tried to change reservations and had trouble.I need to call them on Monday. PrissyMissy and I will see you in DC." Yes there are rooms available with two beds. Call them to make your arrangements.

It is important to make your plans soon, even though rooms will be available at the group rate until August 21st! Also, if you are planning on attending our Freeper Convention events from the evening of 9/11 through 9/13, you should let us know by purchasing your Convention ticket! More Freeper Convention details will be coming soon!

If you have questions about our National Freeper Tea Party Convention, please Freepmail me! :)

207 posted on 07/18/2009 2:04:57 PM PDT by seekthetruth ("See You In DC From 9/11 - 9/13 At Our National Freeper Tea Party Convention!")
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks for this, Jim! Bookmarking.


208 posted on 07/18/2009 2:05:48 PM PDT by FarRightFanatic (It wasn't an election. It was a socialist coup.)
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To: Califreak; Jim Robinson

Kos’s posters realize that they were not supposed to copy and past an entire article:

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209 posted on 07/18/2009 2:07:35 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I would be there with a truckload of relaives and friends. As much as possible, it would be best to plan it for a time when moderate weather is expected. Bad weather could be more effective in reducing effectiveness and results than almost anything else.

It should be while congress is in session.

We must be prepared to continue for more than a few days. Hopefully it will grow and grow as word gets out.

Organize it like a military campaign as much as possible.
Goals and a broad agenda must be set beforehand.
Nothing will be accomplished by a million hungry people filmed wandering aimlessly and defecating on the sidewalks of the capital city.

At its heart, the march will be a media event and must win the empathy and support of the majority of Americans who cannot be there.
Try to enlist the upfront assistance of savvy media people.

As much as possible the march must control the media and information flow to the media in every way. The government and MSM must not be allowed to control news of the march.

Get your own story out - not theirs.
Plans must be in place to create and distribute video, photos and news reports to media outlets that will air them and distribute them to others.

Try to coordinate live broadcasts by, and appearances of, anti-socialist / conservative radio and TV personalities (Mark Levin types) and appearances by national figures and authorities.

Include plenty of onsite bloggers.

Remember - Most mainstream media that shows up will not be there to provide unbiased coverage - They will be there to insult, belittle and undermine the march to the nation.
They will be seeking people, comment and visuals to discredit the march and marchers.
Be prepared to monitor and film them and keep them as honest as possible - they aren't used to being covered in that way.

Plan to use the sheer force of numbers to peacefully isolate and neutralize antagonistic and unsympathetic media groups. Do not cooperate with them, do not grant interviews, do not do anything to assist them with the possible exception of providing a prepared boilerplate handout.

Don't let them use the march to further their own interests.

Plan to have plenty of highly visible military vets, and try to recruit participation by vets organizations.
Vets should be encouraged to wear or carry something to identify themselves as such.

Plan to identify and peacefully neutralize troublemakers, counter protesters, trolls and opposition plants as much as possible.

Organize roving groups of marchers to watch for other marchers, agitators, or media people with racist, ethnic, sexist or otherwise obnoxious signs. Neutralize them peaceably through discussion or blocking them out with other, larger or more numerous signs, etc.

Rapidly flood the whole governmental district with so many people that the size of the crowd overwhelms any possibility of law enforcement quickly taking control and herding or disbursing them.

Shut down bridges in and out of the government areas with sheer numbers of marchers.

The numbers should be so large that by necessity government action will quickly be directed toward providing essential services (food, water, sanitation, medical) rather than knocking heads and arresting people.

American flags, state flags and signs and posters by the thousands!!!
But nothing racist, ethnic or insulting can be allowed.
Be on the watch for trolls and media people who will try to do just that.

Set up large non-stop protests to shut down access at all jails and other facilities where law enforcement may try to bring protesters. Get it on film.

Each individual bring camping gear, food, water, etc.

Set up protesters’ tent cities on the mall and in all park areas. Preplan other areas that may be useful for tent cities and gathering areas (arenas, parking lots, etc.)

Have information available for marchers to identify locations of medical facilities, public water fountains, toilets, etc. Much of this type of info can be made available in advance over the internet.

It would be good to have sympathetic attorneys and other knowledgeable legal people on hand to deal with potential legal challenges, incarcerations, etc.

210 posted on 07/18/2009 2:08:12 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If you cannot be a good example you can serve as horrible warning - like Obama.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I take this seriously and I like it, a lot. I want my country back.

Please allow me to suggest a few things to help us achieve this goal.

1. List what is wrong.

It would help if people knew what the gov was doing that it shouldn’t, how it affects all of us (Dem, Repub, and Ind.), why it should matter to us personally, the way it used to be or should be, etc. We’ve grown up and become accustomed to our current situation. It seems normal, right, and natural to most. Open some eyes, do some educating. Make it personal. You have many thousands of people here, like me, who know that things are wrong, but don’t know much more than that. Educate us. Open our eyes. There are smart people here to help you. Don’t miss your chance to do something real for our country and her people.

2. Transition.

We can’t realistically undo decades of law all at once.

3a. D.C. March

It won’t work. We have jobs and limited funds. D.C. is too far away for most of us. We should gather where we all live, work, and play, or *something*, but not march on D.C. exclusively.

3b. Marching.

It won’t work. We need to *do* something, like Rosa Parks, that makes a statement. Something we can all do, where we live, that makes a clear statement and CANNOT be IGNORED.

4. Rallying point

We need a leader or rallying point that is serious and will be taken seriously. That means the movement has to be serious too, or we will fail. A movement of serious people who mean business with realistic, attainable goals and are willing to risk their cozy, comfortable lifestyle and financial security to reach those goals.

5. We need others.

To get the numbers and succeed, we must draw others (besides strict Constitutional conservatives) into our movement by showing them how our vision will directly benefit them, even if they don’t share our Conservative values.

6. Motivation.

Money issues motivate people. We need clear issues to motivate people (lots of people) to get off their butts, take risks, and demand change. Brainstorm. Educate yourself on successful and unsuccessful movements both here and abroad. Ask the people here on this forum what type of scenario or situation would motivate them to take risks and take action. I’m certainly not going to skip class, risk my GPA, and spend time and money I don’t have to march on D.C. unless I know something concrete will come of it. I’ll risk it all, my life included, if there’s something I think has a good chance of succeeding and bringing about the change I long for.

Basically, don’t put the cart before the horse. There are steps leading up to what you stated in your opening post. It’s a beautiful goal, one our founders envisioned for us. I’d like to see it become reality, not just fantasy.

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Our nation is on its deathbed, literally. Our nation has been critically wounded for a very long time. We may be too late already, I don’t know. I do know that if we don’t *do* something NOW (besides bitch and moan) then we will have no chance for hope apart from civil war or some other horror I don’t wish to see. That or embrace the new world order. Our time and options have nearly run out Jim.


211 posted on 07/18/2009 2:12:06 PM PDT by Miztiki
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To: Empireoftheatom48

... “It’s a good day to die”...


212 posted on 07/18/2009 2:12:17 PM PDT by gargoyle (...His-horse-is-crazy...)
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To: Jim Robinson; The Spirit Of Allegiance; MeekOneGOP

This might not sound much, but I noticed a T.E.A. sticker on a truck this week. I was just going to the library — wham. I want to get my hands on a bunch of “Support Tea Party and Freerepublic.com” stickers and pass them around. I might even have some printed myself. I don’t have much money, but I’ve heard that printing companies are getting pretty low priced these days.

— FRegards ....


213 posted on 07/18/2009 2:12:32 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
You right about the *meekness* of Americans.

In my youth, I fought the system in every way I could think. Not paying taxes, working for cash only, breaking as many of this nations laws and morals as fast and as thoroughly as possible.

Then came adult reality 101. Marriage, children, buying a house, getting in good standing with all associated institutions. My anarchy days were over.

Now comes this course of events and all I can think of is my past, youthful indiscretions. My anarchic attitude returning. My lust for weapons, my hatred of corporations and their thirst for all the wealth in the world. My distaste for technology and what it does to our senses.

I sit and wonder what it will take for the average Joe to get up off his comfortable couch, step out his front door and lead the way to challenge this unholy alliance of demonic forces.

Here I'm wasting another beautiful Saturday pondering the state of the world. Oh well!

214 posted on 07/18/2009 2:15:25 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I would like to suggest that we (either in the intial document phase or through the normal amendment process) establish a ten year term for federal judges at all levels, including the Supreme Court. Said judges would still be subject to Senate confirmation. No judge could serve back-to-back terms on the same court, and the limit is three terms total.

IMHO, this would limit the amount of damage a Supreme could do.

Another option I’ve considered is that the Senate could be empowered to recall a federal judge by a two-thirds or even three-quarters vote without impeaching said judge. If we’re in a situation where only six federal judges have ever been impeached in over two centuries, but said judges can also do stuff like Roe, Kelo, etc., the people’s representatives don’t have enough stick available under the current system. We shouldn’t have to wait for one of these scumbags to show up drunk or get caught taking bribes before we can ensure proper judicial restraint and decorum.


215 posted on 07/18/2009 2:18:07 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're definitely in the Rise of the Empire era, but is Obama Valorum or Palpatine?)
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To: Jim Robinson

You want Hillary to be our temporary leader?


216 posted on 07/18/2009 2:20:09 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Question- What is the difference between a Winter Soldier and a Sunshine Patriot?
Answer - The Winter Soldier pledges his life, his fortune and his sacred honor to the principles of Liberty.
The Sunshine Patriot pledges his life his fortune and his sacred honor, as long as it is not inconvenient.


217 posted on 07/18/2009 2:23:37 PM PDT by Parawan (Do we live in an Empire or a Republic? Ask yourself 'Do I feel like a subject or a Citizen?')
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To: snippy_about_it

You can’t wait for April 15th. The money comes out of your paycheck every payday. Either raise your dependents to 10
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Bingo!!!! I know lots of people that are doing that now.


218 posted on 07/18/2009 2:23:43 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Now yer talkin!


219 posted on 07/18/2009 2:25:21 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: wolfcreek

That NWO crowd is rabid. I really believe if there is ever a SHTF situation, they will start it. If not them, the people that are on forums like Stormfront. They hate everything. Blacks, Jews, Israel, Federal reserve, United Nation, you name it, they hate it and they have a huge following.


220 posted on 07/18/2009 2:26:58 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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