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Why We Must Ration Health Care (Obama media prepping Americans for rationed care)
ny times ^ | 7/19/2009 | peter singer

Posted on 07/19/2009 5:47:29 AM PDT by tobyhill

You have advanced kidney cancer. It will kill you, probably in the next year or two. A drug called Sutent slows the spread of the cancer and may give you an extra six months, but at a cost of $54,000. Is a few more months worth that much?

If you can afford it, you probably would pay that much, or more, to live longer, even if your quality of life wasn’t going to be good. But suppose it’s not you with the cancer but a stranger covered by your health-insurance fund. If the insurer provides this man — and everyone else like him — with Sutent, your premiums will increase. Do you still think the drug is a good value? Suppose the treatment cost a million dollars. Would it be worth it then? Ten million? Is there any limit to how much you would want your insurer to pay for a drug that adds six months to someone’s life? If there is any point at which you say, “No, an extra six months isn’t worth that much,” then you think that health care should be rationed.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: healthcare; healthcarerationing; petersinger
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1 posted on 07/19/2009 5:47:29 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

I believe Rush has got it pegged: Obama thinks nothing is special about America and it has limits on all sides.

This country, founded on unbridled optimism by our founders, is now neutered and leaderless by this Zer0.


2 posted on 07/19/2009 5:49:54 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: tobyhill
We must ration health care so the rats have money to blow on their agenda and pay off people like acorn.
3 posted on 07/19/2009 5:50:35 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: tobyhill

Democrats will tell the blue states that quality care is their right and they’ll tell red states that they need to ration their health care to control costs.


4 posted on 07/19/2009 5:51:31 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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To: tobyhill

Peter Singer is Voldemort, “Will of Death.”


5 posted on 07/19/2009 5:51:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick (If I can do it, it can't be that hard!)
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To: tobyhill

This is the logical progression in thought and policy for a country that has embraced a “culture of death”. Where does this ultimately lead to? Mandated euthanasia for individuals who are a drain on societies resources. Google “Whatever Happened to the Human Race” and watch it. The prophetic series put together by C. Everett Koop and Francis Shaeffer back in the 70’s. I watched it as a teen and said to myself, this will never happen in the USA. I was wrong.


6 posted on 07/19/2009 5:52:11 AM PDT by sonrise57 (Help us God for evil men have surrounded us.)
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To: tobyhill

What happens if the diagnosis is wrong?


7 posted on 07/19/2009 5:53:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: tobyhill
Would it be worth it then? Ten million? Is there any limit to how much you would want your insurer to pay for a drug that adds six months to someone’s life?

H*ll no. We'll be much better off with some faceless socialist bureaucrat thinking of patients he or she never sees only as statistics and determining who lives and who dies.
8 posted on 07/19/2009 5:53:53 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: tobyhill

I think that we should ration the State Run Media.


9 posted on 07/19/2009 5:54:16 AM PDT by Howie66 (The one redeeming thing about liberals: their tendency to kill their own.)
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To: tobyhill

Peter Singer, the author of this article, is morally bankrupt, and has seemingly has been so for all his adult life.

He carries the moral autority of Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot.


10 posted on 07/19/2009 5:54:43 AM PDT by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: tobyhill

People should read more of Pete Singer’s ethics discussions to respect why he is such a great advocate for Bambi’s eugenic thinking.

Like the one where he advocates killing disabled babies up to a month after they are born. Having sex with animals if it is considered consensual. Or saving a mouse instead of a family when a house burns down.


11 posted on 07/19/2009 5:54:49 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: tobyhill

Why, exactly, did Madelyn Dunham (Obama’s grandmother) get hip replacement surgery given that she was suffering from heart disease, terminal cancer and possibly had had a stroke?

“I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost,” Mr. Obama said in the interview with David Leonhardt of The Times. “I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement, just because she’s my grandmother. Whether, sort of in the aggregate, society making those decisions to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill is a sustainable model is a very difficult question.”

He went on to say: “If somebody told me that my grandmother couldn’t have a hip replacement and she had to lie there in misery in the waning days of her life, that would be pretty upsetting.”

That’s the tragedy. The money was spent. The operation was performed. But it neither extended her life nor enhanced the quality of her life. She began to fail. In about two weeks, she was dead. She lived long enough to cast her absentee ballot. But not to long enough to see it counted.

Was it worth it, Barry?

I want the same healthcare that Michelle’s mom gets.


12 posted on 07/19/2009 5:56:01 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (http://obamaclock.org/)
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To: tobyhill
Remember the joke about the man who asks a woman if she would have sex with him for a million dollars? She reflects for a few moments and then answers that she would. “So,” he says, “would you have sex with me for $50?” Indignantly, she exclaims, “What kind of a woman do you think I am?” He replies: “We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling about the price.” The man’s response implies that if a woman will sell herself at any price, she is a prostitute.

Just think if a Republican guernatorial candidate in TX, rather than a murderous leftist distinguished ethicist, had repeated this anti-feminist joke.

13 posted on 07/19/2009 5:56:04 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: tobyhill
Uh, advanced anything costs more at first. It's part of the cost of progress and allows patients to live, perhaps long enough to be able to try something else that may be developed that works better.

We could cut gov't costs by using a bullet for every three or four gov't workers. Does that make sense to this b0z0?

14 posted on 07/19/2009 5:56:21 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Tax-chick
Peter Singer is Voldemort, “Will of Death.”

Could be. I get the impression that he really does not like muggles. :)

In all seriousness one of main roots of problems in the world is people who really hate their fellow humans. Sadly it is not confined to liberals.

15 posted on 07/19/2009 5:57:04 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi
Democrats will tell the blue states that quality care is their right and they’ll tell red states that they need to ration their health care to control costs.

At that point, or sooner - I hope, the red states will secede and leave the blue states to their Socialist fiasco.

16 posted on 07/19/2009 5:57:39 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: tobyhill

Evil, pure evil, has set up shop at the white house.


17 posted on 07/19/2009 5:57:40 AM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: tobyhill
I'm going to post various responses to the content of this article but I want to start out by making it clear to anyone who doesn't already know, who the writer is:
Similar to his argument for abortion, Singer argues that newborns similarly lack the essential characteristics of personhood — "rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness"[28] — and therefore "killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living."

---Peter Singer, From Wikipedia

18 posted on 07/19/2009 5:58:12 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: tobyhill

“You’re in the final throes of death. You’re a cancer on the ass of America. Your advertisement revenues have plummeted to an all-time low because of your far-left, communist editorial slant and your anti-American bias. Your owner is a pompous little pustule who is flushing your business down the porcelain potty but no one cares. Now imagine that you, the taxpayer, are going to bail out this little bourgeois cretin with your hard-earned dollars. Makes you think about killing yourself, doesn’t it? Welcome to Obama’s world!”


19 posted on 07/19/2009 5:59:15 AM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: tobyhill
I bet if it was Singer's own life or someone he cared about he would pay the money. He financially supported the care of his mother who had Alzheimer's until she died of the disease. I found this on Wikiedia:

Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, the leading organisation for blind people in the United States, strongly criticised Singer's appointment to the Princeton Faculty in a banquet speech at the organization's national convention in July 2001, claiming that Singer's support for euthanizing disabled babies could lead to disabled older children and adults being valued less as well.

Looks like Mr. Maurer is a prophet.

20 posted on 07/19/2009 5:59:33 AM PDT by C19fan
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