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[FreeAtlanta]

flurry of articles on news sites. Google News - Obama Constitutionally Eligible?

[Hildy]

I hate that Mormons do this..They did it to Jews who died in concentration camps...I find it insulting that People who died for their religion have their names used for something the would NEVER agree to in life. In fact, I’m furious just thinking about it.

[This_far]

How long did it take you geeks at google to figure this out?

Search hit of the day returning: TAX INCREASE (screw you and your campaign contributions)

[John Valentine]

“TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401Prev | Next § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth” never even mentions the type of citizenship called “natural born” since it does not and by definition CANNOT derive from statue law.

[panthermom]

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.

G. IRREVOCABILITY OF RENUNCIATION

Finally, those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should understand that the act is irrevocable, except as provided in section 351 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1483), and cannot be canceled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal. (Section 351(b) of the INA provides that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months after attaining the age of eighteen. See also Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, section 50.20).

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

[John Valentine]

Yo may find this interesting:

From Orly Taitz’s Pleadings in Keyes et al v. Obama et al:

21. Question 10: What sources should be used in support of authoritative construction of the language of the United States Constitution, aside from the statutory law of the United States as enacted by Congress pursuant to the Constitution and the opinions of the Supreme Court, especially when addressing questions of first impression such as those raised in this complaint?

22. Plaintiffs ask this Court to declare and adjudge that the framers of the constitution used, and that this Court must therefore apply in this case of first impression, the definition of the Natural Born Citizen contained in “The Law of Nations or, Principles of the Law of Nature, applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns” by the Swiss philosopher and jurist Emmerich De Vattel:

“…natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owns to its own preservation: and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will only be the place of his birth, and not his country”.

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

23. This Court should apply the De Vattel definition used by the framers of the constitution, defining “Natural Born Citizen” for following reasons:

24. De Vattel’s treatise existed at the time of the creation of the Constitution, as it was published in 1757 and was readily available to the framers

25. Emmerich de Vattel’s was widely quoted by the framers of the constitution, for example, by Hamilton, Jay, and Madison “Publius” in the Federalist Papers.

26. His book provides an exact and contemporaneous definition for the term used “Natural Born Citizen”

27. De Vattel fully corresponds to the well-known statements by the framers of the Constitution

28. The Vattel definition was used as a basis for the Senate resolution 511 of 2008, when Senator McCain was found to be a Natural Born Citizen, based on the fact that he was born in the zone of the Panama canal, US territory at a time and both of his parents were US citizens.

29. Apparently during the Constitutional Convention, John Jay wrote on July 25, 1787 to George Washington:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise or reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of National government; and to declare expressly that the commander in chief of the American Army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen”

30. In explaining the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, a principal framer of the 14th amendment, which redefined citizenship under the Constitution, John Armor Bingham explained that the phrase referred to “every human being born in the jurisdiction of the United States to parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. (Emphasis added).

31. As Obama’s East African father owed (by reason of his birth and as a matter of international law) allegiance to British crown (whether or not he professed any), Obama was not a Natural born citizen and does not qualify for presidency. Dual Nationality is a rather new concept that did not exist at the time of creation of the Constitution and Plaintiffs submit that the definition used and the contemporaneous statements of the framers show a desire to exclude from the group of Natural Born Citizens anyone, with allegiance to other sovereignties at birth.

Case closed.

[Blue Turtle]

..and maybe that’s why he is stocking the SCOTUS with racist lefties.

[barb-tex]

Re: Michelle’s Posterior. This is a Racist statement and all these posters are in violation of the Hate crimes Law.
barbra ann

[Wild Irish Rogue]

” Light bulb moment...”

A good conservative friend and I “ got into it “ at a Christmas party over BO’s BC.
“ His BC is posted on the internet,
you sound like you’re wearing a tin foil hat,yada,yada.”

I’m not sure what the turning point was, but, he has definitely seen the light.
He, in fact, sent me a text tonight saying I had to go on Drudge
and click on the Congressman’s Town Hall where the BC was brought up.
Sometimes the doubters become the most fervent when they understand the simple facts and the cover up.
Last week, abcnews.com had a story about the recent lawsuit and they reported that “ documents “ posted on the internet show Obama was born in Hawaii.
I found ABC’s choice of words interesting.

[MHGinTN]

There are five judges on the SCOTUS whose lives would be very much at risk if the case made it to their purview, because the power at stake if Barry is deposed is enormous.

If the SCOTUS sticks to the historic meaning of natural born citizen, it would be murderous loss for some very powerful people who have vested a lot in their affirmative action figure fraud-in-chief.

The current Axelrod talking point appears to be that those pressing the issue are setting conservatives up to be branded kooks when Barry decides to notice the issue and present a long form BC.

Several SCOTUS cases have addressed citizenship, being very careful to avoid actually defining natural born citizen. The Wang Kim Ark case had the SCOTUS actually using the term native born to define a person born on U.S. soil but not having citizen parents. Obamanoids at FR have been seeking to conflate those two terms as meaning the same thing, but they do not.

I'm convinced that Roberts the pirate was told in no uncertain threats that he woul dnot take up the issue during the election period, that perhaps it would become timely later, if Barry proves unpopular, and riotiung by thuggish obamanoids was not fashionable. Such a thing irks me no end, but there it is. We are no longer living in a Constitutional Republic because the federal oligarchs have chosen to set the Constitutional issue aside in favor of promoting an affirmative action figure fraud who by his own words cannot meet the definition he signed with in the McCain issue addressed on April of 2008.

[b4its2late]

AS they should have been BEFORE the election....

[patriot08]

ONE individual has almost single handedly brought Obama's inelgibility to U.S and world wide attention. This brave little Russian refugee lady has put her life on hold- and in danger to try to save YOUR country. She flies all over the U.S. serving papers, giving speeches, meeting with various officials and giving interviews. This involves great expense, and it is reported that Dr. Orly is over $8,000 in debt from using her own funds in her fight to prove Obama's ineligibility. She needs researchers, lawyers and other volunteers. Please do what you can to help her. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ Dr. Orly has added renouned attorney, Stephen Pidgeon as her assistant: http://stephenpidgeon.com/ http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2816 .

[patriot08]

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Dr. Orly’s website and PayPal

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

Dr. Orly has added renouned attorney, Stephen Pidgeon as her assistant:
http://stephenpidgeon.com/
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2816

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[ODDITHER]

Some of the articles trying to Defend Illibama are saying there are reasons that birth certificates have name changes to birth certificates.

I say Ah yes,
The Aha moment for even liberals but for most Americans is to find out that his grandmother used her position at the Vital records to build a new identity in which he applied for and got social security number and she had access to all birth and death records in the US to re-create Barak Hussein Obama complete with a birth certificate and then it is a whole different ball game. Perpetrating fraud and assuming identities might be frowned upon.

If we found out that upon returning from Indonesia, his passport stated that he was Barry Soetero and that he was an indonesian citizen and he continued to use that passport and represent himself as a foreigner from Indonesia to get all kinds of goodies, they might really get upset.
How do you explain that he was able to get a scholarship to a private day school that most parents can only dream of getting, unless they gave them to foreign students from Africa or Indonesia?

How do you explain that in high school an average student with drug problems was able to get a full scholarship to Occidental? Unless of course he represented himself as a foreign student from Indonesia named Barry Soetero and he had the passport to prove it?

Or the fact that he used that name and passport to travel and visit his roomates in Jakarta during a time that Americans could not enter Pakistan and the State department wasn’t issuing visas?

The fact that he has had to block all records from all schools tells me there is a different story than we are seeing. He might have been born in Haiwaii as Barack H Obama but when he came back he was issued a birth certificate by the passport people as Barry Soetero which did not give his natural born status back just his citizenship. His Mother did not have the constitutional right under the law at that time to reclaim it for him. He would have been able when he was 18 to reclaim his citizenship and change his name back but not his natural born status. He continued to use his foreigner status to get all the goodies he could.

[John Valentine]

What would you do?

What I would do is to apply the principle that the Constitution means exactly what the framers intended it to mean, and I would look to contemporaneous documentation to determine what was meant by the phrase "natural born citizen". I would be guided very much by the writings of the Federalists, and by those they reference.

I would ultimately rule that the definition of "natural born citizen is that as written by Emmerich De Vattel in his "The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law" (1758):

“…natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owns to its own preservation: and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will only be the place of his birth, and not his country”.

And I would rule that Barack Obama, never having met the Constitutional qualification for holding the office of the Presidency was ab initio disqualified and was, in fact and in law, never the President. I would order federal marshalls to escort the man from the premises and order that every official act of the man rendered null and void; all statutes, executive orders, commissions, treaties, rules, regulations, etc. promulgated during his tenancy in the White House nullified and stricken.

[John Valentine]

Any of his appointees to the court would have to be recused, as their appointments would be voided if he is found to be ineligible.

[editor-surveyor]

Bump!

[bgill]

Uh, can you change your “natural born” to “native”, please.

[MHGinTN]

An inaccuracy: "Or the fact that he used that name and passport to travel and visit his roomates in Jakarta during a time that Americans could not enter Pakistan and the State department wasn’t issuing visas?" There were warnings from the U.S. side but no blocking and Pakistan was issuing visas to those who were met by a Pakistani supporter or accompanied in the airport by a Pakistani sponsor. My brother was in Pakistan at that time with an ophthamological mission and was held up in the Pakistan airport until his Pakistan sponsor arrived to escort him.

[John Valentine]

The Supremes have ample evidence of EXACTLY what ‘natural born” means and it is no accident that the statutes don’t even mention the words.

The Supremes don’t have to say that 1401/1405 doesn’t mean “natural born” since the statues never use the term. The term is uniquely confined to the Constitution, and it is to the Framers and their contemporaneous sources to determine the meaning of the term.

And, quite nicely, that meaing is beyond controversy.

[smoothsailing]

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