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Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill
Economic Policy Journal ^ | 7/20/09 | Robert Wenzel

Posted on 07/21/2009 7:14:12 AM PDT by FromLori

Edited on 07/21/2009 1:37:04 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look at what is actually in the healthcare bill.

It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill. It has Singer's footprints all over it.

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)


Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!


Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House.


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KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhoabortion; bhohealthcare; democrats; healthcare; healthcarebill; impeachobama; moralabsolutes; obamacare; petersinger; prolife; readthebill; romney; romneycare; socialism; socializedmedicine; unconstitutional
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1 posted on 07/21/2009 7:14:12 AM PDT by FromLori
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To: FromLori

Related

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/obama-healthcare-step-one-killing-off.html


2 posted on 07/21/2009 7:17:43 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

Oh noooooo. I wanted to use my cat's Veternarian.

sw

3 posted on 07/21/2009 7:18:52 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife ) (Who will lead us?)
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To: FromLori
This is WAR!!!!

4 posted on 07/21/2009 7:18:54 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: FromLori

i rly wish teh txtng styl of wrtng wud stop. dont u?????

It doesn’t make you cool, smart or funny. It makes you stupid and annoying.


5 posted on 07/21/2009 7:19:58 AM PDT by TheZMan ("I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.")
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To: FromLori

This is outrageous! Get the Democrats out of office as soon as possible, this is an Orwellian nightmare!


6 posted on 07/21/2009 7:21:10 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: FromLori

just when I think I can no longer be shocked, this comes along.

LIke Dorothy Parker, I cannot keep up with them.


7 posted on 07/21/2009 7:21:10 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: FromLori
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

So ANYONE ANYWHERE in the world just needs to fly, walk, swim to the US to get health care. USA! USA! USA! /s
8 posted on 07/21/2009 7:21:46 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: spectre

Some people in Canada do lol use the vet.


9 posted on 07/21/2009 7:23:13 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: TheZMan

I do appreciate the guy going through this abomination and getting the word out. For that, I can handle the texting style.

I truly hate these socialists. This thing must be stopped!


10 posted on 07/21/2009 7:23:27 AM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: FromLori

Sure would like a version of this not written in text-speak; but it is informative, nonetheless.


11 posted on 07/21/2009 7:24:08 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Kozak

Yup and you can wait in line to get a number to be issued a doctor in a few years like they do in Canada oh and plus you get the privledge of paying for them.


12 posted on 07/21/2009 7:24:24 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Aggie Mama

Click on the bottom of the post it has the govt. bill right there. I don’t care for that nonsense either but that was how he wrote it up.


13 posted on 07/21/2009 7:25:27 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Maybe its time for a whole raftload of conservative Americans to sign up for membership in ACORN-and start going to their meetings

Great benefits plus- wouldn’t that just make for some wonderful insider reporting


14 posted on 07/21/2009 7:25:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: Aggie Mama

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf


15 posted on 07/21/2009 7:26:00 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori
Some people in Canada do lol use the vet.

There's a thought. I can always get a same day appt if my cat is sick.

sw

16 posted on 07/21/2009 7:26:37 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife ) (Who will lead us?)
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To: FromLori
OK Freerepublic Legal Eagles, can we as citizen file a preemptive cease and desist lawsuit to stop the Federal Gov from infringing on our Constitutional rights.
17 posted on 07/21/2009 7:26:37 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: FromLori

A little revolution every now and then is a good thing.


18 posted on 07/21/2009 7:27:15 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: FromLori

if passed, I see an orgy of litigation. It’s a freaking full overemployment plan for the courts system. Every single stupid provision will end up challenged in court. At the taxpayers expense....


19 posted on 07/21/2009 7:28:08 AM PDT by no-s
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To: FromLori

Thanks for the link. Actually, I find the text-speak easier to comprehend than the lawyer-speak. LOL


20 posted on 07/21/2009 7:28:17 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: FromLori

Did Singer really have something to do with all of this?
Seriously?

I thought he was so radical no one took him seriously - the guy thinks parents are entitled to post-birth “abortion” up to one year old.

Good grief!


21 posted on 07/21/2009 7:28:31 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: FromLori

BTTT


22 posted on 07/21/2009 7:29:36 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: BornToBeAmerican

You’re damned right it’s war! Obama and his band of commie cronies has declared war on our liberty. The passage of this horrendous bil would make us all slaves to the state. We...who are sovereign and free!! will have to beg the governemt to allow us to receive the medical care we need.


23 posted on 07/21/2009 7:30:25 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: FromLori

This is a nightmare.

List doesn’t mention that the bill includes racial preferences.


24 posted on 07/21/2009 7:32:07 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: DonaldC

We may need one I think we should pull an Iceland and throw the bums out!

Behind “The Public Option”
I’m still in Boston, and was handed a flyer in the downtown area near Boston Common. The flyer announces a rally Thursday that will be held to support a “public option” for Obama’s healthcare program. Of course, in my view, the public option will lead to the killing off of the old and holding back of care for quadriplegics, for starters.

As Peter Schiff speculates:

My guess is that the government provider will mis-price its policies on the low side, pushing employers to dump private sector insurance for the taxpayer-subsidized alternative. Such a system will further distort health care pricing and, ultimately, make a bad situation intolerable.
Of note is that the rally is being sponsored pretty much by union groups. The flyer lists the sponsors as:

The Greater Boston Labor Council
AFL-CIO
North Shore Labor Council AFL-CIO
Boston Building Trades Council
SEIU Massachusetts State Council
United Electrical Workers Northwest Region
AFT Massachusetts
Jobs With Justice

As PEU report has alluded to in a comment and as von Pepe notes in a comment, part of what is going on is union building:

I am convinced that the main goal here is to unionize the healthcare workers (most government employees are union e.g. police, fire, teachers, auto, etc.)

The real goal is dependency and voting blocks to consolidate his power.

Disgusting anti-capatalist mentality
.That is clearly part of it. It also dovetails with Obama’s view of himself as the great leader that will fix healthcare by liberally sprinkling in socialism. What an interventionist mess.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/behind-public-option.html


25 posted on 07/21/2009 7:32:09 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori; STARWISE; SE Mom; hoosiermama; Miss Didi; maggief

Thanks for posting this info.

Ping!

“I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK”!!!


26 posted on 07/21/2009 7:32:37 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: DonaldC

Tree of liberty...patriots...tyrants. The time is coming.


27 posted on 07/21/2009 7:32:49 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Already sent it to our Senior Partner for analysis. I’m “on it”. It’s time to rein in the lunatics who are attempting to take over the asylum.


28 posted on 07/21/2009 7:36:13 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: TheZMan

itz the new shrthnd, doncha no?


29 posted on 07/21/2009 7:36:25 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: FromLori
The nerve of these commies..I say get rid of them come election throw them to the dogs or send them to the nearest commie country we can find..and that includes their leader the Muslim..

I did copy this and sent it to my mailing list I hope everyone does the same..Also copied it and will send it by mail to my friends that have no Internet service..

30 posted on 07/21/2009 7:41:03 AM PDT by PLD
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To: FromLori
We need to forward this link to everyone in our email address book.

Economic Policy Journal

31 posted on 07/21/2009 7:43:27 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: FromLori
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll.

Assume that the actual cost of the ObamaCare plans is 9%. What will happen is that every business will do the arithmetic and dump their plans and pay the tax. Then every individual (who is not poor) will pay for their own individual govt plan or face IRS punitive taxes.

So the government gets paid twice for the same health benefits - once by businesses and again by individuals. What a deal for Uncle Sam, eh?

32 posted on 07/21/2009 7:44:54 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: US Navy Vet

Already sent it to our Senior Partner for analysis. I’m “on it”. It’s time to rein in the lunatics who are attempting to take over the asylum.


33 posted on 07/21/2009 7:45:36 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: FromLori
OK - We are in an era of 'Transparent Government' I was told; so I have a couple of questions:

Who dreams up these conditions and clauses that are placed in these bills? It cannot be the politicians because they admit that they have not seen the wording before voting, and weasels that they are, they are not clever enough.

Who actually drafts the wording of these bills: is there some vast typing pool under Congress churning it out?

Who actually runs this country?

The Congress criters and the Pretender seem to be just window dressing.

34 posted on 07/21/2009 7:46:05 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: I am Richard Brandon

The CFR?


35 posted on 07/21/2009 7:48:46 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Well I can live with that, or whatever...


36 posted on 07/21/2009 7:49:15 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: FromLori

I just highlighted that whole thing and sent it out in an email. I’m getting so fed up with DC I’m willing to alienate a LOT of my lib friends. I highlighted some of the most incredible things in red, especially the part about special needs kids, as I am the co-guardian of a severely retarded older brother, who needs 24 hour care. Like someone else said, THIS IS WAR! This will KILL an economy already on life support. I cannot believe these twits in DC are actually putting this crap in this bill!


37 posted on 07/21/2009 7:50:10 AM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: TheZMan

Twitter only allows a certain number of characters per message. The shorthand is necessary.


38 posted on 07/21/2009 7:50:46 AM PDT by andyssister
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To: FromLori
Notice something that is missing from that 1018 page bill? Tort reform. 1018 pages and not one single word about it.

Nothing about limiting ambulance-chasing laywers from getting egregious punitive awards or limiting the cost of malpractice insurance.

39 posted on 07/21/2009 7:51:06 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: penelopesire; MeekOneGOP; Brad's Gramma; pissant

Thanks, Penelopesire

What’s in the healthcare bill.....Everything but the kitchen sink.

pass it on


40 posted on 07/21/2009 7:52:22 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: FromLori

DEMOCRATS?... (Eddie Murphy laugh)...


41 posted on 07/21/2009 7:53:29 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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My God......! This is the beginning of the end...should this pass.....

Where are our party leaders.....Michael Steel, etc...on this...he should be on TV and Radio 24x7......but I just hear crickets.....

42 posted on 07/21/2009 7:55:52 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: hoosiermama

bump to see this LATER!

thanks!


43 posted on 07/21/2009 7:57:56 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: TheZMan

It’s not texting style. Our government officials just killed too many of their brain cells to finish words.The whole bill is written with with blackberries.


44 posted on 07/21/2009 8:00:01 AM PDT by I Hate Obama (Don't Blame Me I Voted For Paris Hilton)
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To: FromLori

I have been comparing this nonsense to what is real with my company.

First of all it is my understanding that this government option carries pretty high deductibles - so exactly how does this government plan help people - $5000 out of pocket is huge. If someone can’t afford health insurance what makes them believe they can afford this deductible?

In my company our health plan (and I own the company) has no deductible, $10 copay for office visits, and is pretty good. That costs for a single employee about $400 per month - or $4800 per year - less than the $5000 deductible.

For families we pay about $1000 per month. So lets assume that the government just pays these premiums for everybody! Let the private insurers do this - they already have the infrastructure, and the staff to handle it - no need for some big government organization.

The cost?

Figure of the 40 million uninsured, 1/2 are single, the other 20 million are part of a family - so we would need 600,000 family plans, and 20 million singles.

Total cost per year would be about 103 billion - lots of money but about the same as this asinine boondoggle. On the plus side everyone gets their care with minimal out of pocket. Private insurers still exist, you have choices, and all that. With everyone covered cost will probably go down.

And finally TORT REFORM!


45 posted on 07/21/2009 8:00:11 AM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican
I think most people miss the point of this health care
bill. As more of its contents become available, it is
quite obvious.

This bill is a most conclusive step to socialize the USA
Allmost every aspect of each person in the USA, legal or
otherwise will be stored on the Govt's computers.

By everything, I mean personal, financial, health,
background will be merged with all data available.

This will include, IRS data, military service, gun
registrtaion, travel history, employment, education.

You can probabally think of more. ACORN will be the
nucleus of Odumba's version of East Germany's STASI. Notice how swiftly Odumba wants to get this done. He
sees the big picture and will make concessions to pass
this quickly. They can be phased out later.

Perhaps my reputation of having a Cassandra complex
mandates that readers pass this off as hogwash.

46 posted on 07/21/2009 8:00:28 AM PDT by cliff630
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To: BornToBeAmerican
I think most people miss the point of this health care
bill. As more of its contents become available, it is
quite obvious.

This bill is a most conclusive step to socialize the USA
Allmost every aspect of each person in the USA, legal or
otherwise will be stored on the Govt's computers.

By everything, I mean personal, financial, health,
background will be merged with all data available.

This will include, IRS data, military service, gun
registrtaion, travel history, employment, education.

You can probabally think of more. ACORN will be the
nucleus of Odumba's version of East Germany's STASI. Notice how swiftly Odumba wants to get this done. He
sees the big picture and will make concessions to pass
this quickly. They can be phased out later.

Perhaps my reputation of having a Cassandra complex
mandates that readers pass this off as hogwash.

47 posted on 07/21/2009 8:00:42 AM PDT by cliff630
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To: FromLori

Bumped and Printed. I will be using this as ammunition.


48 posted on 07/21/2009 8:02:55 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Smile you're on Janet's Candid Camera!)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

“Who actually runs this country?”

Right now it is the marxist ideologues out of the left wing lobby machine. Think marxist university professors, enviro nazi’s, race hustlers, etc.


49 posted on 07/21/2009 8:03:04 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: FromLori

Can someone please splain me what an “end of life order” is?

Is this where you’re taken to be euthanized by doctor’s orders?

say it isn’t so.


50 posted on 07/21/2009 8:04:32 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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