OH HELL NO!!!!!! SCREW U OBAMA!!!!! GET THE HELL OUT!!
Posted on 07/21/2009 7:14:12 AM PDT by FromLori
Edited on 07/21/2009 1:37:04 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look at what is actually in the healthcare bill.
It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill. It has Singer's footprints all over it.
Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House.
The land of the free?????? This bill is beyond anything in my wildest nightmares.
It will actually become beneficial to give up my US citizenship.
I did not think I would live to see this.
Are we still the home of the brave??? Then let’s fight this like our freedoms depend on it!!
I was wondering why the cash clinics that do not accept insurance in Wal-Mart mysteriously shut down.
What is amazing is that the Obots seem perfectly willing to follow Obama off of the marxist cliff and watch this country go down in economic flames. They would rather live in bondage to a marxist government than get rid of their flat screen and buy insurance. We could buy private healthcare insurance for every single person that doesn’t have it for a lot less money. This isn’t about healthcare to Obama and the democrats...it is about power and marxist control.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!
WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!!
Yeah they can’t balance their way out of their own check books nor half of em pay taxes and they will be CFO’s of all businesses?
FRIGHTENING!!!
The UN is just another tool invented to take our eyes off the ball. (like Obama)
http://www.whale.to/b/mullins_b1.html
OH HELL NO!!!!!! SCREW U OBAMA!!!!! GET THE HELL OUT!!
Thank you!
The Obamunists at the liberal forum I post at are fuming! HAHA!!!
~SC
The implication is that health care would stop the person from going bankrupt. It might delay the bankruptcy but not stop it. The biggest effect of health issues is a decrease in income which leads to the inability to keep prior commitments.
2. Health care will be rationed. Rationed > none, which many people can't afford....
The implication is that those without insurance have no health care. This is a false premise. Those without insurance receive health care for free. However, those without health care have their services rationed compared to those without. If for example, 15% of the population was without insurance, then 15% are being rationed. If this plan passes, in a short time, 100% of the people's health care will be rationed.
3. No incentives for doctors of all kinds to become doctors or to stay in the medical profession because salaries will be capped.< Doctors actually care about helping people, not everyone is money hungry.
The implication is that there are plenty of talented people who will become doctors rather than something else. If the costs of schooling and specializations and establishing practices were not offset by healthy income, the supply of doctors will decrease.
4. Enormous taxes for everybody in order to pay for universal health care. Refer to point 1.
This refer to point 1 implies that the only issue is the tax cost. Government does a terrible job purchasing goods and services. It is inefficient, subject to scandals and misappropriation by politicians. In essence we are adding another layer of cost on top of a health care system.
5. Patients will wait months and years for care. This will especially hurt the elderly the most. The elderly will die waiting for care. This already happens, plus people will be welcome at all hospitals instead of those just approved by their health insurance.
I have not met an elderly person who died waiting for health care. Under this plan, the incentive for the government is to throw enough red tape in the works (something government is real good at) to cause many to die waiting for care. As for access under current plans, most allow full access or simply a larger deductible for out of net work service.
6. No guarantee illegal aliens will not be recipients of health care that American taxpayers (you and me) will pay through the nose for. For the better of mankind. Funny how you preach peace and humanity yet you feel it is alright to deny someone good health. I think you need to re-think your morals.
This is one area where we can see savings. Mexicans may do better or as well in their own country getting health care.
7. Government bureaucrats will determine who will receive care and who won't. Won't everyone receive care, how is it that your worried that illegal aliens will get it but you won't?...
Health care will get rationed if government is involved. Simple see what the veterans homes and hospitals are like.
8. Health care will no longer be determined by doctors and their patients but be run by a nameless faceless government bureaucracy. You act like medicare or medicaid doesn't have horrible issues as is.
Medicaid is coverage for the uninsured and is rationed as explained before. Medicare is mandated but its effect on the whole health care system is not complete. Doctors and patients are still able to thrive in the remaining market.
If your so worried about the costs of such things, why don't we start taxing churches, that should bring in some $100 billion+
Why not all charities, and why not taxing the states too?
He says the one of the things stopping their revolution was the logistics of exterminating 25 million Americans.
What a good little commie....he must get the Times on his doorstep since those replies are simply repeated ad nauseum by the propagandists who lay claim to others people’s money and overall best interests.
I fear those self-righteous types the most since they hide behind a cloak of “morality” thus disguising their true intentions which eventually lead to eroding liberty and gaining control.
bfl
Has anybody verified this? When I see something deliverd in kidspeak texting gibberish, I’m suspicious, not that the claims aren’t certainly very believable.
End. This. Bill.
I take it you don’t twitter? Fleckman was posting his reading of the bill page by page on Twitter, you are limited to the # of characters..... personally I think the message is more important than how it is delivered.
IT gives poor and minorities first choice over medical schools, nursing schools, etc., says it (the government) will tell doctors where they will do their residency, mandatory end of life counseling but no abortion counseling, covers illegals, and more...... Fleckman has done yoeman’s work going through the first 700 pages.
READ the BILL.
This is the problem everyone sits around waiting for Zero to tell them what they should think.
No real surprises. But, damn!
oh... speaking of the courts — did you read the part in the bill about lawyers being able to sue third parties on behalf of medicare without even asking or being asked to do so by medicare?
Then read the bill. The guy was texting it from twitter. I’ve read the actual bill and this is really much easier and it is accurate.
Seems this entire administration is riddled with people we all laughed at and said “no one takes that kook serious”...... well the last laugh is on us.
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