Dobbs embraces Birthers

Politico ^ | 7/21/09 | Ben Smith

[pissant]

"This isn't one of those things that goes away quite as easily as I'd thought," Dobbs says, saying that this isn't the "fringe" and that Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate. (He long ago released an official copy, the standard document. As often noted, it actually does go away quite easily.)

"I have no idea what the reality is here," says Dobbs, later wondering, "You suppose he's undoc -- no, I wouldn't use the word 'undocumented,' wouldn't be right."

[pissant]

Momentum is on our side now. Time to STEP ON THE GAS

[americanophile]

Finally! Thank you Lou!

[stuartcr]

Yeah, the sooner we find out the truth, the sooner Biden gets to be president.

[pissant]

Nope. Not for very long anyway.

[FreeAtlanta]

Get a bag of Obroma Blend and give it to a lib. :-)

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[screaminsunshine]

Obama is not a legitimate President. A reserve Army officer in Georgia filed suit to stop his deployment orders to Afganistan saying Obama was not born in the USA. Result....ARMY CANCELLED DEPLOYMENT ORDERS! Obama is a fraud.

[Tribune7]

Yeah, the sooner we find out the truth, the sooner Biden gets to be president.

As much as I hate Obama . . .

[cripplecreek]

LOL that’s hilarious.

[stuartcr]

If it happened, I bet he’d be in office a lot longer than people think.

[cripplecreek]

That’s fine with me. Biden may be a moron but I don’t think he hates America.

[stuartcr]

If Obama was truly found to not be eligible for the office, what do you honestly think would really happen?

[stuartcr]

Good for you.

[patriot08]

A least Biden’s not a Muslim.

[Star Traveler]

The article said — “This isn’t one of those things that goes away quite as easily as I’d thought,” Dobbs says...”

—

I’ve never thought it was something that would go away, either. In fact, I’ve posted several times in the past that this issue would probably *continue* all the way through the time that Obama does the ribbon cutting at his new Presidential Library...

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

"Yeah, the sooner we find out the truth, the sooner Biden gets to be president."

Is that what would happen?

I have often wondered about this...If he is deemed ineligible, is not the whole election then ineligible?

Shouldn't Bush/Cheney go back to the White House until a new election can take place? Or would McCain/Palin assume power?

[chris_bdba]

I’m wondering if that is the way it would go since Obama ran knowing he wasn’t eligable and won anyway. Couldn’t an arguement be made that since it was illegal for him to run that the election should be set aside and a revote be taken?

[stuartcr]

Right

[pissant]

With kneepadders like you slurping him the entire time, no doubt.

[Tribune7]

If Obama has to go he has to go.

[SoftwareEngineer]

Oddly... enough.. people ARE RIGHT.. Biden does NOT hate America...

That guy is a Botox infected idiot with an IQ of 4 and the hormones of a 13 year old girl ..

But the guy does love his country. His random rambling speech last week in Iraq where he said “He loves his country” actually sounded quite genuine.

Obama must have puked in his tofu cereal when he saw that a member of his adminstration actually loves the USA

Oddly...too.. I think Hillary probably loves the USA in some fashion also.. although.. she is a Commie nut

Obama.. let us be VERY CLEAR.. HATES the USA...

[Star Traveler]

You haven’t seen me supporting Obama... LOL...

[o2bfree]

So anybody who questions Obama openly is a “Birther”.

Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Rules for Radicals in action.

[Tribune7]

As far as I can see Biden would have legally been elected vice president regardless of Obama’s eligibility

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

"ARMY CANCELLED DEPLOYMENT ORDERS! Obama is a fraud."

Someone in the Pentagon knows something to have these orders pulled....

[stuartcr]

Why would the whole election be ineligible?

He would be the president, until things got straightened out, which, realistically, would probably take us to the next election.

Why would the losers and the ex-pres, be put into power? Besides, do you think congress would let that happen?

[Pearls Before Swine]

The author says “(He long ago released an official copy, the standard document. As often noted, it actually does go away quite easily.) “

Oh... Puhleeze. We are past being fooled with a COLB, even a real one, which the low-res Internet scan posted may not have been.

[bytesmith]

Great post. Sums it all up.

[Publius6961]

Read the comments on the source site.
The race card is almost the only response to honest doubt or simple intellectual curiosity.

[stuartcr]

Can you imagine how long it would take for a re-vote to happen?

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

If Obama is not a citizen, he was ineligible to run. The election was therefore a fraud and should be thrown out.

[stuartcr]

???

[Tribune7]

3.5 years

[ChrisInAR]

I call myself a “Birther”, & proudly so...but I say let’s keep our minds open & listen to what the facts are re: both “Birthers” AND “Truthers”. We need to be willing to listen to the evidence before we make up our minds on any controversy.

[Oldexpat]

Some of the Guard people being deployed are really volunteers. They volunteer to be in the unit deployed.
Sounds strange but true. It may be that the Army just decided that he was a problem and not needed. Kinda like John Kerry.

[stuartcr]

And who do you think would be in charge until things got straightened out?

[stuartcr]

Yep

[balls]

The Lou Dobbs recording the author references is from 6/15 and getting a bit stale. Has Dobbs said anything about it since or has he been muzzled by CNN?

[Star Traveler]

And also now is the time to mention (at least in this thread, anyway...), that the *one news outlet* that has been trumpeting the Birth Certificate Issue of Obama’s — more than anyone else — is WorldNetDaily.

They have even paid for billboards around the United States asking “Where is the Birth Certificate?”

I’m not talking about blogs and private websites, but actual *news websites* — and WorldNetDaily is the only one to be featuring this day after day and week after week.

No one else does this. So, if you are concerned about the birth certificate issue, then support WorldNetDaily by going over there and giving hits to their website as they’ve been all over this issue...

WorldNetDaily
http://www.wnd.com/

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a thi rd Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipe dia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so.(However, as of july 2009--eight months after the election-- Hawaii changed their rules so as to make the short form legal.There is even evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with five backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate. The library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.

[F15Eagle]

Lou, until Obama produces his long form birth certificate,

he’s the Undocumented Kenyan (Obama admits holding Kenyan citizenship until age 21 via BHO, Sr.).

[pissant]

Yes, I have.

It is irrefutable that the COLB he posted has been tampered with and is not a legit, legal 2007 state issued COLB.

You support the contention of the lying SOS Obama that it is legit.

It is irrefutable that the DailyKos and Factcheck and Fight the smears are run by left wing liars.

You support their contention that they are on the up and up regarding the COLB.

It is irrefutable that HI allows changes to birth records, changes that could be reflected on the COLB but not the original BC.

You support the notion that is impossible in Obama’s case.

It is irrefutable that Obama could with a single call or letter, release his real BC to the public.

You support Obama’s position that he has no obligation to prove his birth circumstances.

It is irrefutable that Obama (or taxpayers on his behalf) has spent large sums of money to keep the BC from being released.

You support Obama’s contention he has nothing to hide.

In other words, you are Obama’s jock strap.

[ckilmer]

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record.

[stuartcr]

So?

[noah]

Not so fast.

There’s a lot of stuff that needs to be straightened out, including the last election.

[stuartcr]

Again, so?

[metalurgist]

Yeah, the sooner we find out the truth, the sooner Biden gets to be president.

He may be a mindless idiot, but at least he's an American. We can survive American idiots, because they at least look at things with an American prospective. Kenyan Marxists don't.

[stuartcr]

Sounds great

[frog in a pot]

Thanks for this link, it very tempting.

“I have no idea what the reality is here,”

Dobbs is an intelligent man and he
knows his program did an unprofessional whack job on Orly Taitz and Amb. Keyes;
knows the Democrats;
knows the record has been scrubbed;
knows O has not provided a verifiably authentic BC;
knows O has spent big bucks trying to prevent disclosure of his BC;
knows that there is no credible reason to believe O is legitimate but suspects some know for sure he isn’t; and he
knows that his audience and the general public is not buying the cover up.

But, he is in a tight spot surrounded in the workplace by liberals and in a contact with the liberal-enabling CNN, and has to enter the issue sideways.

He needs some time to make it happen.

[Star Traveler]

No, sorry... I support doing something that actually *works*... LOL...

You know..., like what I’ve been saying all along that is *guaranteed* to work, you know... stuff that normal people do — not those of the “Obama Derangement Syndrome” types... :-)

And that’s to get state laws enacted with require specific documentation in order for a candidate to be on the ballot. If they don’t supply it, they can’t be on the ballot.

Oklahoma, Azrizona and Missouri started that process in their legislatures, but the one in Oklahoma failed to get through this session. I’m going to be working on that one again the next session, too. As far as the other two states, I don’t know the status, but I’m sure the citizens there do.

That’s the sort of action that is what “rational” people do — stuff that works... LOL..., not of the “Obama Derangement Syndrome” mentality... :-)

[cripplecreek]

Its just a gut feeling that Biden actually cares about America. He may be wrong about pretty much everything but I don’t see him intentionally harming the country.