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Obama Administration Takes Aim At Gun-Rights Revolt
CBS ^ | 7/21/-09

Posted on 07/21/2009 8:18:35 PM PDT by FromLori

The Obama administration is raising the stakes in a fight over states' rights and firearm ownership by arguing that new pro-gun laws in Montana and Tennessee are invalid.

In the last few months, a grass-roots, federalist revolt against Washington, D.C. has begun to spread through states that are home to politically active gun owners. Montana and Tennessee have enacted state laws saying that federal rules do not apply to firearms manufactured entirely within the state, and similar bills are pending in Texas, Alaska, Minnesota, and South Carolina.

Yet the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and Explosives now claims that that not only is such a state law invalid, but "because the act conflicts with federal firearms laws and regulations, federal law supersedes the act."

Tennessee's law already has taken effect. The BATF's letter on July 16 to firearms manufacturers and dealers in the state says "federal law requires a license to engage in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition, or to deal in firearms, even if the firearms or ammunition remain within the same state."

A similar letter was sent to manufacturers and dealers in Montana, where the made-in-the-state law takes effect on October 1, 2009. Neither law permits certain large caliber weapons or machine guns, and both would bypass federal regulations including background checks for buyers and record-keeping requirements for sellers.

While this federalism-inspired revolt has coalesced around gun rights, the broader goal is to dust off a section of the Bill of Rights that most Americans probably have paid scant attention to: the Tenth Amendment. It says that "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Read literally, the Tenth Amendment seems to suggest that the federal government's powers are limited only to what it has been "delegated," and the U.S. Supreme Court in 1918 confirmed that the amendment "carefully reserved" some authority "to the states." That view is echoed by statements made at the time the Constitution was adopted; New Hampshire explicitly said that states kept "all powers not expressly and particularly delegated" to the federal government.

More recently, federal courts have interpreted the Tenth Amendment narrowly, in a way that justifies almost any law on grounds that it intends to regulate interstate commerce. In the 2005 case of Gonzales v. Raich, for instance, the Supreme Court ruled that a person growing marijuana for her own medicinal use could have a "substantial effect on interstate commerce."

(In an impassioned dissent at the time, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote: "If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything -- and the federal government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.")

Gary Marbut, president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, said in an interview with CBSNews.com on Monday that he expects to be facing off against the Obama administration in court soon. "We will find the right test cases to get us in court," he said.

Marbut believes that the letters were't that meaningful because they were addressed to gun manufacturers and dealers who already are licensed by the federal government. "Those people already are under the thumb of the Feds," he said. "We've assumed they wouldn't want to put their circumstances at risk in dabbling in the state-made guns business. The people who the letters are addressed to are pretty irrelevant to the whole discussion."

Translation: If you're a gunsmith talented enough to build a made-in-Montana gun under the state's forthcoming law, give Marbut a ring. Just don't be surprised if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and Explosives is not entirely pleased.


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To: tacticalogic
Overturn Wickard v Filburn.

How about Santa Clara County v the Southern Pacific Railroad?

181 posted on 07/22/2009 6:53:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Bending metal to make an AK reciever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDppu3Mcj6E


182 posted on 07/22/2009 7:04:08 PM PDT by lrb111 (resist)
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To: tacticalogic
That is true. There was no formal declaration war, but I don't see that any kind of "right to secede" would have been respected, even if it existed.

All rights not expressly given to the federal government are retained by the States or the people.

I have to agree, though, that the federal government has not shown a strong willingness to respect the rights of the States or the people.

183 posted on 07/22/2009 9:43:33 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: lrb111
Yep, the AK receiver is bent sheet metal, and is therefore fairly easy to produce, once you have the punch and die created (the punch and die involves a fair amount of welding, but can be used over and over again, sold, rented out, whatever).

The problem, though is the little clause from my earlier post: "However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts."

Somebody making his own receiver using a foreign design must be able to prove that none of the parts he used was foreign-made, which is a non-trivial task.

184 posted on 07/23/2009 6:31:53 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: myself6
"it doesn't matter which cause is just or unjust... All that really matters is who has enough men with weapons willing to kill people and break things in support of their cause."

Amen brother!

Be Ever Vigilant!

185 posted on 07/23/2009 6:50:47 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Frantzie

“This ********* has refused to show his BC “

You leave border collies out of this! They’re great dogs! We’d be far better off with a Border Collie in Chief than our current P(OS)OTUS. ;)


186 posted on 07/23/2009 1:42:06 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: PapaBear3625; All
FYI, actually, i HAVE built my own "AK style" side-folder RECEIVER from scratch.

as long as you do NOT have more than TEN foreign-made parts,rifle is OVER 26" in length (with the stock FOLDED) & a barrel over 16", you are A-OK (unless the rules have changed in the last 90 days).

btw, "AK - style" PISTOLS do NOT come under "the rule of 10".- i.e., you can use ALL imported parts (except for the BARE receiver).

fyi, one of our local gun-clubs has a yearly "AK building party" & LOTS were made last year in September - LOTS.

free dixie,sw

187 posted on 07/23/2009 2:29:25 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Salamander

Those daily round-ups can work the “other” way also!
Small groups of patriots will one day make a much stronger statement.
The time is drawing nigh in this country.


188 posted on 08/19/2009 4:12:46 PM PDT by Yorktownpatriot (Lets meet on 9-12 in DC!)
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To: FromLori
Bring it on.

“Today is a good day to die.” Tasunka Witko

De Oppresso Libre

189 posted on 08/19/2009 4:20:43 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: stand watie

“Montana and Tennessee have enacted state laws saying that federal rules do not apply to firearms manufactured entirely within the state, and similar bills are pending in Texas, Alaska, Minnesota, and South Carolina.”

Damnyankee ping.


190 posted on 08/19/2009 9:27:43 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.........)
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To: jessduntno

Yeah.

Now maybe the “other side” will get the damn point we’ve been trying to make.


191 posted on 08/19/2009 9:50:37 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.........)
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To: Salamander

“Now maybe the “other side” will get the damn point we’ve been trying to make.”

I think we’re due...


192 posted on 08/19/2009 10:05:21 PM PDT by jessduntno (Privatization + Inter-State Sales + Individual Policies + Tort Reform = Healthcare Reform)
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To: jessduntno

Some gotta learn the hard way.


193 posted on 08/19/2009 10:11:59 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.........)
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To: Salamander
i'm waiting for VA to pass a similar bill. (i want a double barrel 20guage PISTOL & i cannot afford an Ithaca Auto-Burglar gun!!! ====> well over 1500.oo these days.)

free dixie,sw

194 posted on 08/20/2009 7:43:18 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Salamander
btw, the more i learn about DAMNyankees the better i like spiders, slugs & snakes.

free dixie,sw

195 posted on 08/20/2009 7:44:26 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie
All I ask for in life:

[well....weaponry-wise, any way]....:)

196 posted on 08/20/2009 7:58:20 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.........)
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To: Salamander
WOW! that's a British-style HOWDAH pistol (probably a 450/500 Nitro Express for Black Powder caliber or perhaps a 470/500NEBP) for killing TIGERS/LEOPARDS at "kissing range".

those beasts START at about 5,000.oo IF someone will sell you one. (at least 99% were handmade in GB "on personal commission".)

free dixie,sw

197 posted on 08/20/2009 8:26:20 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie

Really?

I never knew *what* it was.

[All I knew was “WANT!!!!”].....:))


198 posted on 08/20/2009 9:54:43 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.........)
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To: Salamander
YEP. fwiw, many "sportsmen" during The British Raj in India hunted big cats from the back of elephants. the range was sometimes as little as 1-10 yards!

unfortunately for "the sports", the cats FREQUENTLY "mounted the elephants" too & you could end up with 600+ pounds of ANGRY/hungry tiger literally in your lap.

fyi, those howdah pistols were SAVAGE "kickers", as well as KILLERS.(Jim Corbett, a famous tiger hunter described the "kickback" from a 450/500NEBP as like "going a few rounds" with Jack Johnson.)

free dixie,sw

199 posted on 08/20/2009 11:48:11 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Salamander
speaking of handguns that were "nearly as deadly on one end as the other", one of "the old East Africa hands" had Westley Richards make him a matching side-by-side handgun (with 10" barrels) for his double rifle in FOUR BORE (that's NINETY FIVE caliber!!!)

the BULLET weighed over 1750 grains.= that's about a 1/4 POUND of copper/lead, backed up with an equal amount of black powder and/or "nitro".

the owner described the recoil from that (SIX POUND) "hand cannon" simply as "FIERCE"!!!

i THINK (but am NOT sure) that the "hand cannon" may still be on display at the National Firearms Museum (NRA museum) in VA.

free dixie,sw

200 posted on 08/20/2009 1:40:19 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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