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Is this the Democrats Waterloo?
maverick68

Posted on 07/23/2009 3:09:28 PM PDT by Maverick68

A question to my fellow Freepers: Do you believe the Healthcare Bill may have done irreparable damage to the Democrat Party? Now that the Dems have blinked, they will be forced to face their greatest enemy: an informed populace. On our local talk radio here in Little Rock (the mighty KARN 920), we have already begun the process of exposing the contents of the Bill, line by line. I believe once the public is informed of the ACTUAL CONTENTS of this Draconian, freedom-killing bill and see the urgency with which the Dems tried to force it down the country's throat, the consequences will be great. What say you?


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1 posted on 07/23/2009 3:09:28 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Maverick68

I’d like to think so—but no damage is irreparable and it looks like they might just pull this travesty off.


2 posted on 07/23/2009 3:11:46 PM PDT by SeƱor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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They have not blinked yet. Let’s see if they sneak one in at 3:00 am the morning before being dismissed for Summer recess.

And, let’s see what they face at home during the recess.


3 posted on 07/23/2009 3:15:10 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Hey Obama, spread my work ethic, not my wealth!)
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To: Maverick68

Of course not. The Democrats will never have a “Waterloo” because the supply of stupidity is infinite.

Obama can be slowed down, and (perhaps) made into an object lesson for the next generation, but that lesson will last at most one generation (~20 years). After that, another left-wing messiah will emerge, and the sheeple will chase him / her over the cliff all over again.


4 posted on 07/23/2009 3:16:32 PM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Perhaps I’m just beign naive, but I believe the majority of Congressional Democrats are actually going to be happy to let this die.


5 posted on 07/23/2009 3:17:49 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Maverick68

We have the advantage, but the game isn’t over, and we have not won any final victory. In fact, we are still at substantial risk of losing the game.


6 posted on 07/23/2009 3:19:48 PM PDT by sourcery (Obama Lied. The Economy Died!)
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To: sourcery

the perfect scenerio is for the house democrats and blue dogs be forced to pass it without a single republican vote and that they do this before Aug reccess. Then congress goes back to hometowns to get ear fulls of angry voters and it dies in Senate. The GOP uses it 7 cap and trade against house dems to take control of house back.


7 posted on 07/23/2009 3:30:11 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: Maverick68

I might be just running off at the mouth here, but I don’t think the Dems are going to get what they want. I don’t think Wall Street thinks they will either.

Crap and Tax passes the house — market crashes. Obama care in the throws of death in the house — market rallies. These irrational people react to what the government does when it’s big stuff, regardless of what the longer term picture really is. It might be not be so irrational to want to get in on the bargains before they disappear if these bills actually do end up being defeated, but if we can’t get rid of the socialists they still have enough in them to make a big mess regardless if these two things do end up being buried.


8 posted on 07/23/2009 3:41:35 PM PDT by dajeeps
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To: sourcery

By no means do I suggest easing off the pressure on our Congress. I simply believe that when the GOP starts letting the public know what’s actually in the Bill (we’ve heard talk that illegals would get coverage, but be exempted from the $2500 penalty for non-participation), that Middle America will be mad as hell....


9 posted on 07/23/2009 3:48:34 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Maverick68
...but I believe the majority of Congressional Democrats are actually going to be happy to let this die.

Well considering a large number of them would like to keep their jobs come 2010, I think so.

10 posted on 07/23/2009 3:50:00 PM PDT by Popman (Joe Biden REALLY can't be Vice President, can he ?)
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To: RED SOUTH

STONEWALL JACKSON dedicates this song to Obama!

Waterloo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ6C8LMhcWQ


11 posted on 07/23/2009 3:55:05 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: outhousepatrol

Hmmmmmm.....to see Obambi dressed in that funny hat, boots, overcoat and hand in his shirt.


12 posted on 07/23/2009 3:56:47 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Maverick68

Nothing is ever the Left’s Waterloo so long as they control the media, entertainment and the schools.

They indoctrinate new crops of zombies continuously.

How about absolutely destroying the economy through an affirmative action Fannie/Freddie housing bubble and using the crisis to socialize the American economy? Shouldn’t that be a Waterloo? Apparently not.


13 posted on 07/23/2009 4:12:02 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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You mean how much the “public” cared about Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Blago, Daly, Emanuel...or bowing to a Saudi King?

How about apologizing for every US military action and supporting a Marxist dictator in Honduras?

No, they don’t care about anything Dopey-Changey does, they just are smitten by the Media’s Marxist Messiah.


14 posted on 07/23/2009 4:14:06 PM PDT by wac3rd (80 Carter/Obama 08)
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To: wac3rd

No. It could be if you had a real Republican party instead of a RINO party, but that’s not the case.


15 posted on 07/23/2009 4:27:54 PM PDT by pt17
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To: Maverick68

In 1993, Republicans had a leader that could command media attention, namely Newt Gingrich.

Today, the Major media doesn’t even BOTHER to show rebuttals to the Democrats from McConnell or Boehner


16 posted on 07/23/2009 4:39:30 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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In 1993, Republicans had a leader that could command media attention, namely Newt Gingrich.

Sarah may be able to function as an effective conservative / GOP spokesman. Of course the left-wing pressers heads will all explode if she does.

17 posted on 07/23/2009 4:52:32 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: potlatch

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT SECTION...

18 posted on 07/23/2009 5:37:33 PM PDT by devolve (- - Take your stinking czars off me you damned skinny Kenyan! - -)
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To: Maverick68

I’m hoping that the majority of Ameicans pay attention but there are always the 30-40% that refuse to watch any news who vote for the big D dumb@$$ eveytime and always will even if Satan himself had a D by his name.


19 posted on 07/23/2009 5:44:36 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: All

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Governor Rick Perry may invoke the 10th Amendment over Obama’s health care bill (Vanity)
7/23/09 | Cowtowney
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We are asking you to order the Texas Attorney General to publicly begin working on a law suit under Article IV, Ninth, and Tenth Amendment of the Constitution.

We are asking you to protect the citizens of Texas that we will not stand for government controlled healthcare in our state.

Under your leadership we can effectively kill the proposal of this administration and allow Texas to be a state free from socialism and collectivism.

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39 posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:34:48 PM by patriot08
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To: All
From ‘Texans Against Government Controlled health Care’
http://www.notintexas.org/

To all Texas elected officials:

“Don’t Mess with Texas” has been a proud motto in the Lone Star State. Now with Government controlled socialized healthcare appearing inevitable, we say “NOT IN TEXAS!” We ask our elected officials to cite the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution as the reason why Texas rejects and will not accept the U.S. Government takeover of our healthcare system!

The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

States’ rights, in the United States, is political doctrine advocating the strict limitation of the prerogatives of the federal government to those powers explicitly assigned to it in the Constitution of the United States, and reserving to the states all other powers not explicitly forbidden them. The doctrine of states’ rights has been the cause of bitter controversy at several periods in U.S. history.

The impending death of free market healthcare is an important issue that will again cause bitter controversy.

If the cause of defending our free market healthcare is a worthy cause, we in Texas must stand up and say: “NOT IN TEXAS”.

We in Texas will not stand idly by and allow the U.S. Federal Government to eliminate our free market healthcare system by incrementally changing and ultimately replacing it with a Government controlled socialized Healthcare system.

“NOT IN TEXAS”

Where are the Texas politicians?

The Alliance of Texans against Government Controlled Healthcare is insisting upon the immediate action of all Texas Politicians. Tell the U.S. Government: Government controlled healthcare may be adopted in other states, but…NOT IN TEXAS.

Tell the U.S. Government that Government Controlled Healthcare will never be allowed in Texas. Texans still believe in individual freedom and individual responsibility.

The saving of our free market healthcare system is one of the most important tasks ever to face Texas.

When are we going to hear Texas politicians saying: “The Government Controlled Socialized Healthcare stops at the Texas border!”

The Texas citizens are waiting to hear from you. We don’t have much time. President Obama wants a healthcare bill out by August 1st.

Tell the news media loud and clear: “NOT IN TEXAS”

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From Texans Against Government Controlled Health Care

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Facts about the 10th Amendment:

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.

Why Texans should fight National Healthcare:

When all of America’s top health insurers and providers met at the White House this week and pledged to save $2 trillion over the next decade in health costs, they were pledging to sabotage our medical care. The blunt truth, which everybody (the politicians and healthcare providers) agreed to keep quiet, is that the only way to reduce these costs is to ration healthcare, thereby destroying our system. http://www.notintexas.org/Front_4.htm

Cutting Doctors’ fees will reduce access. Your doctor may not accept the government health plan. Congress is wanting to cut Medicare fees by 21 percent. Cuts in Medicare reimbursements will spill into the government health plan and ultimately limit the number of doctors and hospitals that will accept the government plan.

Much like the HMO’s of the 80’s your doctor access will be restricted to the few doctors who will accept the socialized plan.

Limiting the availability of doctors and hospitals will have many devastating effects. Most threatening are:

Over crowding waiting rooms

Backlog of medical testing i.e. CAT scans, MRI, PET scans etc...

Rationing of Health Care

Reduction of quality college students choosing medicine as a profession.

With our aging population, quality health care providers needed now more than ever.

We can pay with our lives. The federal government want us to believe they can “mandate away” 2 trillion dollars of medical expenses. We have learned from our friends from the north (the Canadians), the best way to reduce cost is to ration care.

Government bureaucrats will pour over data and decide what the best means of care will be for the largest number of patients. If medical condition differs from the government guidelines, it will NOT be paid by the government. Should your doctor(s) decide the government allowed treatment is not for you, your doctors hands will be tied. If you don’t have the financial means to pay for your treatment elsewhere, it could cost you your life. In Canada, colonoscopies are rationed for colon cancer. Canada’s colon cancer rate is 25 percent higher than in the U.S. even though Canada’s population is smaller.

We know from history, once a government program of this nature is passed, whether it is a total failure or not, it will NEVER be rescinded.

Solution:

Texans can reject, and refuse to pay for, the federal government health plan. Texas will attract the BEST trained, MOST experienced doctors (and upcoming doctors) in the country. Texas will be the envy of every state in the union.

The truth about government controlled healthcare:
Government healthcare is failing miserably in Massachusetts
If you think a government run healthcare system can work and be more affordable, read this... http://www.notintexas.org/Front_5.htm

Article from the Washington Examiner 1/11/09:
“Obama’s health policy advisers should take a good look at the smoldering wreckage in the Bay State before trying to impose any such “universal coverage” on the rest of the nation.” Link http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Universal_coverage_First_look_at_the_disaster_in_Massachusetts_011109.html

More interesting reading - Free Market Cure
http://www.freemarketcure.com/

Medicare - What is all the fuss about?
Medicare (and health insurance) is a political football. The aging baby boomers are currently contributing more tax dollars to the Medicare Trust Fund than they ever will again in our lifetime. In 2011, the first baby boomers will become eligible for Medicare, and many of them will retire, no longer contributing to the tax base. Instead, they will become consumers of the Medicare system and begin to tap into the very funds they contributed to Medicare for more than 40 years. Within a few decades, we will suffer massive deficits caused by Medicare, Medicaid (welfare—long term care) and Social Security. There is simply not a way to finance the Medicare system long term by raising taxes. Even if taxes were raised by 50 percent of the current rate, there still would not be enough money to fund the Medicare Part A Trust Fund for the long term. The current Part A trust is expected to pay more than it takes in by 2019, and some are estimating this will begin to occur as early as 2016.

HCR 50 Has passed the house 99-36!
Affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution, serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates, and providing that certain federal legislation be prohibited or repealed.

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Take Action! Before it is too late!

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20 posted on 07/23/2009 6:48:38 PM PDT by patriot08
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