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Obama Muffs History And Says We Don’t Want ‘Victory’ in Afghanistan – Will Media Notice?
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Posted on 07/24/2009 7:57:33 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Obama Muffs History And Says We Don’t Want ‘Victory’ in Afghanistan – Will Media Notice? By Warner Todd Huston Created 2009-07-24 10:28

Once again Barack Obama waded into territory of which he has no knowledge: American history. Not only did he say during a TV interview that he doesn’t want “victory” in Afghanistan -- because victory is apparently too harsh for the losers -- but he used an example from WWII that never even happened to justify his touchy feely ideas on warfare. So will anyone in the Old Media even realize that the president’s historical example was a muff-up of real history? Will the Old Media make fun of him for his obvious lack of knowledge of our own history?

Let’s try a thought experiment, shall we? When I say “victory,” what do you think of? Do you think of winning the World Series? Do you picture that famous photo of the U.S. Sailor kissing the pretty girl in Time Square as WWII ended? Do you just imagine “winning” at whatever contest is at hand?

It is likely that even if you don’t picture a particular thing, at the very least your initial emotional response is a warm feeling of worthy accomplishment and an assumption of gaining the accolades that accompanies victory.

It is less likely that upon hearing or seeing the word “victory” an American would immediately get a feeling of defeat and humiliation or picture the end of anything. It is even less likely that a loathing would well up inside of the minds of an American when the word is broached.

Unfortunately, Barack Obama is not like average, patriotic, optimistic Americans. At least we can easily assume this to be the case by what President Obama recently said of our military efforts in Afghanistan.

You see, Barack Obama said on TV this week that “victory” isn’t his “goal” in Afghanistan [1]. Why not?

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

It is telling that when Barack Obama pictures “victory” he doesn’t see in his head that famous photo of the U.S. Sailor kissing the pretty girl in Times Square on Victory Day. Instead, what is immediately conjured up in Obama’s mind is the bedraggled figure of a beaten Japanese Emperor groveling at the feet of U.S. military might.

Obama’s sympathy seems to be with the Emperor that governed a nation that tried to viciously take over the entire Pacific Rim and enslave many millions of Asian peoples. It is hard to escape the feeling that Obama’s first thought when the word “victory” is broached is of our enemy, his sympathies with them, not us.

But that isn’t even the worst of it. Once again we see another example of Obama’s ignorance of history, even American history. In fact, Emperor Hirohito didn’t even sign the document that finalized the surrender of Japan to General MacArthur. That duty was performed by Japan’s Foreign Minister, Mamoru Shigemitsu, and one of its generals, Yoshijir Mumezu.

In fact, we didn’t destroy Japan’s Emperor, rather we allowed him to continue on in a ceremonial role to allow the Japanese to feel as if they hadn’t been entirely crushed and that some of their traditions might live on.

So, once again, Obama garbles history, disrespects his own country, and sets us up to be discounted as a viable force by foreign nations. Obama’s discounting of “victory” in Afghanistan is dangerous news for our troops. It signals a man that will not give our troops the support they need to win the war and come home with our pride and safety intact.

Now, will the Old Media realize this disastrous view of history, warfare and our national security? Or will the Old Media just move on as if nothing happened?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: affirmactionpres; afghanistan; bhodod; failure; fubo; military; obamafails; oef; oefsurge; quotaprez; victory

1 posted on 07/24/2009 7:57:33 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

I heard that Barry Obama wanted to be a SCUBA diver but he MUFFED it!


2 posted on 07/24/2009 8:01:53 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: Sub-Driver
The very media that 0bama bashed this morning for not reporting 'ObamaCare facts' are very busy.
3 posted on 07/24/2009 8:02:57 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Sub-Driver
what is immediately conjured up in Obama’s mind is the bedraggled figure of a beaten Japanese Emperor groveling at the feet of U.S. military might.

That's because 0bama and his wife both hate this Country, and yes, the news media will cover for him.

4 posted on 07/24/2009 8:03:22 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Ronald Reagan - Morning in America; Hussein 0bama - Mourning for America - FUBO!)
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To: Sub-Driver

He is a disgusting POS.


5 posted on 07/24/2009 8:03:23 AM PDT by charmedone (There is a right to health care but no right to be born?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama is looking for anything to call racist....thats how he has always made his living....he is not President of all the people


6 posted on 07/24/2009 8:04:41 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Dick Bachert

What a MUFF-UP!


7 posted on 07/24/2009 8:05:03 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion is not health care and it's not a benefit)
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To: Sub-Driver; SandRat

This is why I’m so worried that he has
a secret, evil agenda .. without care
and purposely nonchalantly at the expense
of our brave troops. God bless and protect
them from this compromised, anti-American
cic.


8 posted on 07/24/2009 8:06:35 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Sub-Driver

I guess Obama prefers: “I WON”....(eye roll)


9 posted on 07/24/2009 8:06:45 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: charmedone

Our troops have suffered the worst casualties in Afghanistan this month and he says we don’t want victory? I wish him a spastic colon.


10 posted on 07/24/2009 8:06:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: dalebert

Obama is looking for anything to call racist....thats how he has always made his living....he is not President of all the people...
:::::::::
Well, I hope the libs are real proud of themselves given what a disgusting, anti-American POS they put in our White House. Is it 2012 yet???


11 posted on 07/24/2009 8:07:26 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: penelopesire

It was the teleprompter.......


12 posted on 07/24/2009 8:08:57 AM PDT by Sub-Driver (Proud member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Sub-Driver

There are no words that can accurately describe my reaction this stupidity. What ignorance.


13 posted on 07/24/2009 8:09:17 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: Sub-Driver

THE MOST IMMORAL ACT ANy AMERICAN PRESIDENT CAN EFFECT ON OUR MILITARY IS TO SEND YOUNG MEN OFF TO DIE IN A WAR YOU DON’T INTEND ON WINNING.


15 posted on 07/24/2009 8:10:50 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: massgopguy

Obama will never know the pride that I take in seeing my father ride in a convertible in the Memorial Day and Veterans Day parades. Yet he wrote a book about an a-hole.


16 posted on 07/24/2009 8:12:38 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama’s view of winning a war is a negotiated stalemate like we had in Viet Nam or Korea and where the other side can then quickly violate the terms with impunity.


17 posted on 07/24/2009 8:12:58 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Sub-Driver

His Affirmative Action handicap is showing.
Eventually lying about being smart becomes evident.


18 posted on 07/24/2009 8:12:58 AM PDT by two23
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To: massgopguy

That’s because Obama has ordered them not to shoot back essentially. Now our troops truly are ‘sitting ducks’. My hatred of this man grows more and more with each passing hour. The usurper needs to be impeached and frogmarched out of this country!


19 posted on 07/24/2009 8:14:16 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Sub-Driver

I heard Obama’s talk on victory. The guy is really, really stupid!! I found it offensive to every VET who has serve4d his country.


20 posted on 07/24/2009 8:15:54 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sub-Driver; AmericanInTokyo
"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

Amazing! Now all the history books must be rewritten in Japan! /s

21 posted on 07/24/2009 8:16:15 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Barack Obama seems to share little in the way if American values and common knowledge. This is what one would expect from an individual who received most of his early “education” in a madrassa in Indonesia, registered as a muslim student.


22 posted on 07/24/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by astounded (The democrat party is a clear and present danger to America.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Not that I am a Bammy fan - far from it - his word picture may be more appropriate than first thought.

We really cannot achieve a WWII type victory in the ‘Stan - short of wiping out the entire population.

Japan was and is a Nation State - with an organized government and uniformed military. Japan could be defeated because of that very organization.

The Taliban is none of that - mostly tribal and very criminal in nature, they more loosely resemble an ideological based Mafia type entity than an organized military. IF no Nation on this planet had been able to wipe out the Mafia (the USSR co-opted them as the KGB) how does anyone expect 'victory' in the 'Stan.

Like Japan, the US must first destroy and then rebuild the culture to assure any kind of lasting 'victory' - and given how embedded old-school Islam is there, you are looking at a multi-generational effort. I doubt we have the political will or treasure to waste in such an effort. OTOH, nuking the entire area is no solution either.

23 posted on 07/24/2009 8:23:28 AM PDT by ASOC (Who is that fat lady? And why is she singing???)
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To: Sub-Driver

Omama is an ignorant, selfish man-child who thinks the world revolves around him. He knows best and is in love with the power a socialist state will give him and his like.

The U.S.A. is in the most trouble in its history because of where Omama has taken us and will take us. Our city on a hill is being burned by arsonists the voters gave matches to in 2008 and there is no water pressure in the hydrants. Unless we arise and fight with word and deed, we are lost.


24 posted on 07/24/2009 8:25:18 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: Sub-Driver
"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

President Obama is not misquoting history - he is betraying his real feelings about his country and President Truman's decision to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You see, he is equating the terms "victory," "total victory," and "unconditional surrender." He reveals where he stands on the issue, which is that the bombings were a racist overreaction to a defensive war provoked by white western imperialism.

25 posted on 07/24/2009 9:05:09 AM PDT by naturalized
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To: Sub-Driver

If those are Obama’s sentiments, then get our troops outta there ASAP. since, in Obama’s words, we’re not there to win, why fight whatsoever. This is a total waste of our military and an absolute irresponsible policy of uselessness.


26 posted on 07/24/2009 9:21:12 AM PDT by Ranger Warrior
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To: EagleUSA

I agree... and having quite a problem with office holders who would rather support foreigne concerns and not the USA.


27 posted on 07/24/2009 9:35:53 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Sub-Driver
"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

Meanwhile the Left called Boosh an evil imperialist who needed to be made to "submit" to our muslim betters (Michael Moore said that we should be made to leave Iraq with out bloodied tails between our legs).

Japan was a TRUE empire and expanding that empire through military campaigns. If there is any equivalence in damning imperialists, then it was RIGHT to have victory over Japan. And today we co-exist peacefully and respectfully.

28 posted on 07/24/2009 9:37:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Sub-Driver; maikeru; Dr. Marten; Eric in the Ozarks; Al Gator; snowsislander; sushiman; ...
"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

Oh yeah, after Hitler surrendered to Patton.

日本*ピング* (kono risuto ni hairitai ka detai wo shirasete kudasai : let me know if you want on or off this list)

29 posted on 07/24/2009 9:39:17 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: naturalized

If the atomic bombs were unnecessary, then dropping one should’ve gotten immediate end to hostilities. It took the bluff of a third bomb to end the war.

I’ll also point out that the Left clocks WWII from Dec 7, 1941 until V-J Day.

Except they ignore all of the fighting (and aid that we gave) during the Allied conflict with the Axis powers.

And they also neglect to mention that it took two atomic bombs to end the war. We could’ve ended the Iraq war much quicker with some nukes as well. But there would be consquences.


30 posted on 07/24/2009 9:40:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: DTogo

I’m taking Obama’s statement as a metaphor not an actually meeting. But fair enough.


31 posted on 07/24/2009 9:41:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I take it as off-teleprompter = another look at his true ignorance, arrogance, and disdain for America.

And another thing, if not for MacArthur, Hirohito might have gone to the gallows.

32 posted on 07/24/2009 9:49:23 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Sub-Driver

We’re screwed.


33 posted on 07/24/2009 10:12:15 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Sub-Driver

When we said this very same thing of Hussein during the election campaigns we were accused of unjustly “smearing” him and mischarecterizing his position.


34 posted on 07/24/2009 10:33:59 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DTogo

Yes; who could forget the emperor walking with a wooden leg and top hat to sign the surrender on the battleship Missouri parked in Tokyo Bay.


35 posted on 07/24/2009 10:34:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Sub-Driver
 
http://www.amazon.com/Graveyard-Empires-Americas-War-Afghanistan/dp/0393068986
 
Are we there yet?

36 posted on 07/24/2009 10:38:06 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Sub-Driver

At this point in time, the media is something we know we can’t rely on. We have the internet for that now and we are free from the albatross that the media has become.

If not for the net (which will never go away) we wouldn’t haev the grassroots capability we have now. The reason our political parties are floundering is because we don’t need that bloc cohesiveness anymore.

It’s going to be easier now to pick one from a wider phalanx of potential politicians now. We never would have heard widely of a lot of politicians if not for the internet or would have done so well undermining the MSM stranglehold.


37 posted on 07/24/2009 11:22:09 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Sub-Driver

OK....time for OTHER Military people to follow Cook’s example!!!


38 posted on 07/24/2009 11:27:38 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: DTogo
Obamaは糞馬鹿野郎ですね
39 posted on 07/24/2009 11:28:16 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Texan. Monarchist. Any questions?)
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To: DTogo
THIS MAN HAS NO BUSINESS BEING PRESIDENT.

He knows less than I did as a mere college student about Modern History, World War II and Japan. And he is president of the frikkin country!!

We are totally screwed.

Wait till this gets in the press here.

What an incredible foot in the mouth. Did he actually say that? Did he actually think that Emperor Hirohito went out to the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay?

This is not good.

40 posted on 07/24/2009 11:39:27 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Reading our Founding Fathers nightly, quietly, for 30 minutes or so, is good in a time like this...)
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To: a fool in paradise
The rumors swirling around here in Tokyo at high levels as I speak--I have read multiple sources--are that when Obama visits Japan in November on a state visit (now set) he is working on a way through the State Department to go down to Hiroshima and apologize. They are trying to keep this under wraps, though, because of outrage it might cause in the USA.

This will particularly be possible if the DPJ sweeps the lower house elections on 30 August here, which it looks like. Yep, Obama heading to Hiroshima to be the first US president to apologize for the atomic bombing. You read it here first, four months before the fact.

41 posted on 07/24/2009 11:46:23 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Reading our Founding Fathers nightly, quietly, for 30 minutes or so, is good in a time like this...)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Having seen his other apologies I was already thinking that he would do this in his first term on the anniversary.

He’s outright antiAmerican, I can’t think of anything good he has had to say about this nation, apart from all others. He is a disgrace to the office. He spits on the legacies of all who came before Him.


42 posted on 07/24/2009 11:55:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: DMZFrank

Ask the Marxist One if he wants Victory over his opponents on the Health Care issue. Or if he’s willing to hear debate and compromise and make concessions on the issue.


43 posted on 07/24/2009 11:58:37 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Sub-Driver
미국은 Hirohito가 제국 칼을 가진 그의 pixie 귀를…. 물은 경우에 더욱 형편이 좋아질 것입니다지도자의 얼마나 바보!
44 posted on 07/25/2009 4:59:19 PM PDT by Karliner (Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before. DDE)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’ve read that some historians think that 1 would’ve been enough - but the communications were so messed up that they couldn’t find out what happened until they sent someone to assess and weren’t quick enough to cry uncle prior to the second falling.


45 posted on 07/27/2009 8:22:37 AM PDT by reed13 (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.")
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