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How to obtain a copy of Obama's original long-form birth certificate, legally. [Vanity]
State of Hawaii, Department of Vital Statistics, Section 338-18 ^ | 07/24/09 | None

Posted on 07/24/2009 10:34:42 PM PDT by rumrunner

According to Hawaii law, one must have a tangible interest in a birth certificate in order for the requestor to obtain the same.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2007/bills/sb1326_sd1_.pdf


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; usurper
The statue that controls in Hawaii Revised Statutes, Section 338-18.

The act in part states:

"The Department shall not...issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is shown that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record." Section 2(b)

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The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

1)The registrant;

2)The spouse of the registrant;

3)A parent of the registrant;

4)A descendant of the registrant;

5)A person having a common ancestor with the registrant..."

As can be seen clearly, Hawaii has specifically allowed those who are researching their family trees to obtain birth certificates of others. This is quite different and much more broadly worded than allowing only those descended from the registrant as in the class of permitted applicants. In essence, if one could find a person who shares a common ancestor with Obama, and that person agreed to obtain a certified copy of the birth certificate...

I am not a genealogical researcher, nor do I play one on television. But I do seem to remember this article http://www.mormontimes.com/people_news/newsmakers/?id=8167 in which Obama's family tree was partially revealed. "According to parish records uncovered by experts at the genealogy Web site Ancestry.com, Obama's sixth great-grandfather, Johann Conrad Woelflin, was born Jan. 29, 1729, in Besigheim, a small town north of Stuttgart on the Enz river where it feeds into the Neckar."

Since genealogists seem to have such delight in finding common ancestors, it would appear to be a simple task for those schooled in such a discipline. Maybe even in finding one person out in this wide world of ours who would put in an application to the State of Hawaii...

1 posted on 07/24/2009 10:34:43 PM PDT by rumrunner
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To: rumrunner
Hmmmm... you may be onto something here. Also, military personnel may have standing if challenging orders from a Hawaii base...
2 posted on 07/24/2009 10:38:12 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: rumrunner

How about Dick Cheney?

He does share common ancestry with Barack Obama.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2677660.ece


3 posted on 07/24/2009 10:39:28 PM PDT by tellw
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To: rumrunner

I thought he was related to Cheney.

Dick, get busy.


4 posted on 07/24/2009 10:43:02 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: rumrunner

I think there was a media report that VP Cheney is a distant cousin.

Now that would be a hoot if VP Cheney obtained a certerfied copy and posted it on the web. Can you imagine how the MSM would throw fits about that? LOL

I would buy tickets to watch that fight, heheh.


5 posted on 07/24/2009 10:48:29 PM PDT by RebelTex (I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!)
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To: rumrunner
How about reason # 14, a police officer needing evidence for a criminal investigation?
6 posted on 07/24/2009 10:49:34 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: April Lexington

Bingo! This is exactly what I was going to post.


7 posted on 07/24/2009 10:49:37 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: RebelTex

I read here that Orly Taitz had ordered a BC via a relative of BO’s, but the wait would be a year long.


8 posted on 07/24/2009 10:49:48 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: pissant

Someone should ask Liz Cheney to request a copy.


9 posted on 07/24/2009 10:50:25 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: RebelTex

certerfied = certified

grrr - got to remember to proof read.


10 posted on 07/24/2009 10:51:45 PM PDT by RebelTex (I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!)
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To: rumrunner

Well then, we can ALL have access to Obama’s birth certificate... what with Noah and Adam. ;)


11 posted on 07/24/2009 10:53:24 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Does Frank Marshall Davis have any family members that went conservative on him?


12 posted on 07/24/2009 10:54:35 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: rumrunner
Here's the family.

Even if you found that one of these people would cooperate, Hawaii would certainly refuse to release the certificate without Obama's permission unless ordered to do so by a court. It would be necessary to hire a Hawaiian attorney.

Still, your idea might work. Congratulations on coming up with a new approach.

13 posted on 07/24/2009 10:57:30 PM PDT by TChad
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To: rumrunner

“The Department shall not...issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is shown that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.” Section 2(b)

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Ok, I’m not an attorney, but it seems that this language is sufficiently broad enugh that it can be interpreted to mean that others could obtain a copy of the BC if they had what the department considers to be a direct and tangible interest. My guess is that, if this is so, the Department has been bribed or coerced into denying access.


14 posted on 07/24/2009 10:58:07 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: pissant

Obama has an uncle in Chicago he would be able to get it.

I believe he once disputed a story that Obama said.


15 posted on 07/24/2009 10:59:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Steelfish

Great minds think alike!


16 posted on 07/24/2009 10:59:48 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: rumrunner
in essence, if one could find a person who shares a common ancestor with Obama, and that person agreed to obtain a certified copy of the birth certificate...

In theory fine....if you were looking up your long lost cousin Joe Smith. However, this is the President, and Hawaii officials (and everyone with a brain, including all judges up the the U.S. Supreme Court) knows that this could be a constitutional crises--hence FAT CHANCE of ever seeing a birth certificate--even if you were O's long lost twin brother.

The other most obvious issue is, most of us now believe there is NO Hawaii birth certificate to be found...

17 posted on 07/24/2009 11:07:11 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: pissant

re: Dick, get busy.

How many times have I uttered that!


18 posted on 07/24/2009 11:09:17 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: RebelTex

I think there was a media report that VP Cheney is a distant cousin.

Now that would be a hoot if VP Cheney obtained a certerfied copy and posted it on the web. Can you imagine how the MSM would throw fits about that? LOL

I would buy tickets to watch that fight, heheh.
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Now that is some funny sh*t. I would pay to see that one unfold.


19 posted on 07/24/2009 11:13:34 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: tellw
OMG Dick Cheney & Barack Obama are related.. would that be ironic if they had to release a copy to Dick Cheney
20 posted on 07/24/2009 11:17:42 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: April Lexington

We are related to Noah...does that qualify?


21 posted on 07/24/2009 11:20:48 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: LiteKeeper
We are related to Noah...does that qualify?

Noah was Kenyan! Who knew?!

22 posted on 07/24/2009 11:21:44 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: jwparkerjr

Always quips of the highest and lowest order here...but unfailingly funny.


23 posted on 07/24/2009 11:23:53 PM PDT by jobim
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To: April Lexington

Kenyans are descended from Ham, son of Noah. Who knew?


24 posted on 07/24/2009 11:31:18 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: rumrunner

You should send this information to all the lawyers that are on this birth certificate case ( Phil Burg ) and let them see this.


25 posted on 07/24/2009 11:34:18 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: rumrunner
I wonder that if it turns out that Obama is not qualified to be president, then perhaps the Democratic Party can be held responsible (or a partner in the crime), on the basis that by running him as a candidate they are certifying his credentials. This may then lead to cost penalties to those damaged and/or disfranchising the Democrats as a political party.

Of course,they will deny he is not a natural born citizen, so it should be no problem (not) to write a law to this effect for all Parties.

I also believe this push on Lou Dobbs is a game plan to stop the Republicans from pursuing this.

26 posted on 07/24/2009 11:36:38 PM PDT by NJJ (Support al Qaeda . . . Give to the DNC)
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To: NJJ
Could those who were effected by this fraud of election file a civil class action law suit against the Democratic party if he is indeed found ineligible ? ....

27 posted on 07/24/2009 11:49:49 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: thecodont

I thought Orly had a relative who was in the military. I wish we knew more.


28 posted on 07/24/2009 11:50:33 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: rumrunner

You have a better chance of slipping a little gold out of fort Knox than obtaining zero’s BC.


29 posted on 07/25/2009 12:36:15 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: rumrunner
5)A person having a common ancestor with the registrant..."

Not a problem.

At least I don't think so.

30 posted on 07/25/2009 12:49:57 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: rumrunner

Tangible interest #9 seems the best route.


31 posted on 07/25/2009 1:20:50 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Its under seal now so I wonder if the rules have changed. I say court order is the best route.


32 posted on 07/25/2009 1:24:12 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: Red Steel

I think that guy is in Kansas. He did indeed dispute some Obama exaggeration.


33 posted on 07/25/2009 2:19:25 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: rumrunner

They are saying now that it was destroyed in 2002.


34 posted on 07/25/2009 3:01:53 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: rumrunner
We will probably never know the truth thanks to Executive Order 13489 which Obama signed immediately upon taking office to prevent the release of any of his records.
35 posted on 07/25/2009 3:46:08 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: SC DOC

It seems that that EO applies strictly to records at the National Archives.


36 posted on 07/25/2009 5:06:42 AM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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To: rumrunner

It seems Hawaii lost Obama’s long form BC.How convenient.Now I really don’t feel O was born here now.The plot thickens.It strange that the state of Hawaii and the governor have been constantly lying to the public.It doesn’t exist.America,we have a problem!


37 posted on 07/25/2009 5:14:57 AM PDT by taxtruth
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To: rumrunner
Photobucket Maybe THIS relative is PO'ed enough to request obama's BO.
38 posted on 07/25/2009 6:16:07 AM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: Smokeyblue

She is on LinkdIn if anyone has an acct. I do not.


39 posted on 07/25/2009 7:11:55 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If the Average nObama Voter is Anything Like Peggy Joseph, The Next 4 Years Will Be A Hoot!!!!)
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To: SC DOC
We will probably never know the truth thanks to Executive Order 13489 which Obama signed immediately upon taking office to prevent the release of any of his records.

Exactly where in Executive Order 13489 is the language that prevents release of Obama's records? It looks to me like the order was intended to limit Bush's ability to prevent the release of documents by claiming executive privilege.

40 posted on 07/25/2009 1:03:08 PM PDT by TChad
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To: pissant

Better yet, Liz Cheney. Wonder if we could email her this info?


41 posted on 07/25/2009 5:36:09 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: RetSignman

Maybe not POed but he could probably by incenticised (to use one of 0’s words) by aome monetary pursuasion.


42 posted on 07/25/2009 5:43:52 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: rumrunner

ALAS! TOO LATE NOW! There are now some constitutional/legislative “theologians” who say that even IF the DemocRAT votes COULD be found to impeach him, that Obama is legally UNIMPEACHABLE, if in fact he is not a natural-born American. They say that, because then he would never have been eligible to hold the office in the first place, and so is NOT the President, and thus CANNOT be impeached! The articles simply would NOT APPLY to him, any more than they would to you or me. Meanwhile, he occupies the White House, sitting around smoking cigars, drinking Crown Royal, and flitting about on Air Force One. If true, HOW would he be removed from the White House? Perhaps via an ordinary EVICTION process? Don’t let the media bury this story!


43 posted on 07/26/2009 6:43:16 AM PDT by 2harddrive (S)
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To: rumrunner

Through DNA analysis, it was proven about 18 years ago that ALL humans descended from one woman. About 10-11 years ago, it was ALSO proven that ALL people also descended from one man. The Discovery Channel had several long shows on just this topic - the primeval Adam and Eve - now PROVEN. That fact, combined with Hawaii’s laws, thus makes ANYONE eligible to request a copy of Hussein’s birth certificate now, IF the law ifs fairly enforced. QED.


44 posted on 07/26/2009 12:17:24 PM PDT by 2harddrive (S)
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To: April Lexington

Each American has a direct and tangible interest in the record.


45 posted on 07/26/2009 12:25:08 PM PDT by Tazlo
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To: Tazlo
Each American has a direct and tangible interest in the record.

This is what I was thinking. Unfortunately, We haven't found a judge in our neck of the woods who grasps that legal concept. I'm tempted to now argue that the tax laws apparently don't apply to anyone in particular either. And... slave owing should, under their theory, be making a big comeback! Liberals is as Liberals does!

46 posted on 07/27/2009 9:49:12 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: RetSignman

Give that guy some money.....he may do it!


47 posted on 07/27/2009 9:55:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: rumrunner

Hmmmm! My wife’s family on her mother’s side is suppose to be distantly related to the O’bummer on his mother’s side. I bet I could get her to make the request. She dispises him as much as I do. I’ll have to mention this to her this evening. Thanks.


48 posted on 07/27/2009 9:55:42 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (CITIZENS OF LIBERTY! RISE UP AND DEFEAT THE EVIL BEAST, OBAMUNISM!)
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To: rumrunner

bttt


49 posted on 07/27/2009 10:05:15 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: 2harddrive

” If true, HOW would he be removed from the White House?”

That whole schtick fails logic in one regard: If he is not President the Secret Service simply keeps him out of presidential offices. If he is not president then he has no presidential privileges. He doesn’t need to be impeached, but he also doesn’t get to remain as president.


50 posted on 07/27/2009 10:07:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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