Skip to comments.Details of Obama’s Health Bill Unconscionable
Posted on 07/25/2009 5:22:12 PM PDT by truthandlife
President Barack Obama has completely discredited himself with his reckless, arrogant, and high-pressure handling of his socialized medicine scheme. The only thing keeping his diving approval ratings above single digits other than blind partisanship and the dependency class he is voraciously expanding is the public's partial unawareness of the unmitigated horrors of this plan.
I have begun to go through H.R. 3200, the House bill Obama is telling us we must adopt (or some facsimile thereof) lest the world come to an end. It's a good thing for Obama that everyone doesn't have the time or inclination to do what I'm doing and that he still has an appreciable cult following that doesn't demand scrutiny in exchange for its unconditional support.
But his good will is fading fast and will fade faster the more people learn about this outrage, which explains his uncompromising demand that the bill be passed immediately even before he realizes what it contains.
Can you imagine the arrogance of a man who insists we have to pass a bill while simultaneously admitting he is unaware of a provision that would prohibit the reacquisition of private insurance by those who lose their coverage? Can you imagine him after getting caught with his pants down on this issue saying he will not sign a bill with such a provision yet simultaneously browbeating Congress to push through the bill that contains that very provision so he can sign it? Way beyond amazing!
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
Section 141 & 142 Page 42: Establish a "Health Choices Commissioner" appointed by the Prresident who will establish qualified plan standards for the insured, establish a "Health INsurance Exchange", will administer "Health Insurance Credits" and determin who is eligible, will ensure compliance, conduct audits, administer penalites and remedies.
Section 152 Page 50: All healthcare services will be provided without regard to "personal characteristcs" which is not defined within the document as is understood to include immigration status.
Section 1173A a-2-D Page 58: Calls for a National Health Plan Beneficiary Identification Card for every person and the ability to determine a persons indivual financial responsibility and eligibility prior to, or at the time of service.
Section 1173A a-4-C Page 59: Requires the ability to have electronic funds tranfer from insured account to the federal government automate reconcilliation of health care payment.
Section 164 Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize a retiree reinsurance health fund up to 10 billion dollars to assist participating employment-based plans (unions, community organizers, etc.) with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees
Section 294 b-7 Page 91: Government mandates culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services for all.
Section 205 a-1 Page 95-96: The Government will etsablish an outreach program to inform, educate, and enroll participants, directed at "vulnerable" populations and to be accomplished in person at "community locations", by mail, telephone, or electronically. Tailor made for ACORN and Americorps.
Here is a link to the full House Democrat Health Care Plan in PDF. In Section 1233 E & F, pages 426-433, you find the part about mandatory end-of-life counseling for anyone over 65 years of age. A lot more provisions now being documented at that site.
Also, here's a large image of the Democratic (Obama) Health Plan chart-another Obama empty promise. This is the one the House democrats are censuring. Email these links or the image to everyone you know.
Obama and all those pushing his radical agenda are abject marxist ideologues. Their "fundamental; change" is nothing more than a destruction of the American free market and fundamental republican principle.
UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA - A SONG
By Ron and Kay Rivoli
...and on the lighter side, take your mind off the Obamanation for a few minutes and enjoy some beautiful Western US scenery slideshows.
His “science czar” wants to poison the water supply with anti-fertility drugs to sterilize people for population control, so what should people expect from Obamacare?
This travesty will do more damage than Porkulus...
I’ve been cruising HR3200, also, and your highlights appear correct. I’m concerned about the ‘end of life’ counseling prospects, as well. Seems that the anointed one and the 0bamunists are seeking a resolution to the pending Social Security meltdown, along with healthcare reform.
It’s time to take back the country.
No, the TOTUS finally proved to us all how inept he is by blindsiding the "White House" press allies and leaving them clueless as to how to support him via their cover for his mistakes as they have done previously.
The true Obama has been shown and the polls are reflecting the disdain most have for what they see.
These elected officials have NO credibility to vote on ANYTHING that they exempt them selves from and then have the gull to force the tax payers to provide the best services possible.
I would not use the word “unconscionable.” “Genocidal” is more apt.
Just remember Ralm, it didn’t help Goebels to claim he was “following orders.”
Check out this article & what is says on page 32 of the deathcare bill.
You were right ExTexas - they will deny whites, jews, christians, & anyone else they want to diminish in the country’s population!
is = it....sorry.
We need to be aware of what is in this abomination so that we can inform others. Stop this evil power grab. God help us.
Does this plan mean the end for Helen Thomas???
Found this interesting Jeff.
Link from the Fred Thompson show.
The person who will fill this position is Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel, brother of Rahm. He is currently working on a Federal "death council" to organize a list of medical procedures that will eventually be used to deny proper care to those whose lives are deemed to be of little value (seniors, chronically ill, handicapped, the poor, etc.). Yes. It is all reminiscent of Nazi Germany---brought to you by Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Soros, the MSM, and all those who think the government owes them healthcare coverage.
ATTENTION FELLOW TEXANS:
Governor Rick Perry may invoke the 10th Amendment over Obamas health care bill (Vanity)
7/23/09 | Cowtowney
Say no to Obama’s DeathCare.
Send a message; DONT MESS WITH TEXAS healthcare!
No! NO you dont, you muzzie pos. Youre not denying our seniors deserved health care while insuring millions of illegal aliens and while Demorats are REJECTING Obamacare for themselves and their families!
Join organizations who fight ObamaCare.
This is a good organization:
The Alliance of Texans Against Government Controlled Healthcare:
office (972) 466-2915
fax (972) 466-2965
toll-free (866) 377-1300
From the website:
We are currently contacting Governor Rick Perry by fax and mail!
We have made it easy for you to help. Click here to display the letter and contact information.
Petition to STOP government controlled healthcare in Texas
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Dear Governor Perry,
On March 30, 2009 the Texas House of Representatives passed HCR 50 affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment.
You have publicly supported this bill, and stated that attorney generals from all over the union could be getting ready to sue the US Government.
We are asking you to take the lead.
We are asking you to order the Texas Attorney General to publicly begin working on a law suit under Article IV, Ninth, and Tenth Amendment of the Constitution.
We are asking you to protect the citizens of Texas that we will not stand for government controlled healthcare in our state.
Under your leadership we can effectively kill the proposal of this administration and allow Texas to be a state free from socialism and collectivism.
Be the voice of reason in the national debate and allow Texans the ability to solve the problems of our state.
Lookup your state representatives
Contacting Rick Perry
Office of the Governor
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, Texas 78711
Phone: (512) 463-2000
Fax: (512) 463-1849
122 C St., NW, Ste. 200
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: (202) 638-3927
Fax: (202) 628-1943
Contact Budget Planning and Policy
Address:1100 San Jacinto
Austin, Texas 78701
Phone: (512) 463-1778
Fax: (512) 463-1975
Gregory S. Davidson
Constituent Communication Division Director and
Executive Clerk to the Governor
Phone: (512) 463-1873
Office of the General Counsel
Department Mailing Address
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Austin, TX 78711
Allison Castle, Press Secretary
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Phone: (512) 463-1826
Fax: (512) 463-1847
Contact Texas Health Care Policy Council
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Phone: (512) 463-1778
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From Texans Against Government Controlled health Care
To all Texas elected officials:
Dont Mess with Texas has been a proud motto in the Lone Star State. Now with Government controlled socialized healthcare appearing inevitable, we say NOT IN TEXAS! We ask our elected officials to cite the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution as the reason why Texas rejects and will not accept the U.S. Government takeover of our healthcare system!
The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
States rights, in the United States, is political doctrine advocating the strict limitation of the prerogatives of the federal government to those powers explicitly assigned to it in the Constitution of the United States, and reserving to the states all other powers not explicitly forbidden them. The doctrine of states rights has been the cause of bitter controversy at several periods in U.S. history.
The impending death of free market healthcare is an important issue that will again cause bitter controversy.
If the cause of defending our free market healthcare is a worthy cause, we in Texas must stand up and say: NOT IN TEXAS.
We in Texas will not stand idly by and allow the U.S. Federal Government to eliminate our free market healthcare system by incrementally changing and ultimately replacing it with a Government controlled socialized Healthcare system.
NOT IN TEXAS
Where are the Texas politicians?
The Alliance of Texans against Government Controlled Healthcare is insisting upon the immediate action of all Texas Politicians. Tell the U.S. Government: Government controlled healthcare may be adopted in other states, but NOT IN TEXAS.
Tell the U.S. Government that Government Controlled Healthcare will never be allowed in Texas. Texans still believe in individual freedom and individual responsibility.
The saving of our free market healthcare system is one of the most important tasks ever to face Texas.
When are we going to hear Texas politicians saying: The Government Controlled Socialized Healthcare stops at the Texas border!
The Texas citizens are waiting to hear from you. We dont have much time. President Obama wants a healthcare bill out by August 1st.
Tell the news media loud and clear: NOT IN TEXAS
We hope to see and hear your stand in the media in the next days to come.
P.S. Once Texas politicians make their stand, you will see other states standing up for States rights. Let the Lone Star state of Texas stand first.
From Texans Against Government Controlled Health Care
Facts about the 10th Amendment:
The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitutions principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.
Why Texans should fight National Healthcare:
When all of Americas top health insurers and providers met at the White House this week and pledged to save $2 trillion over the next decade in health costs, they were pledging to sabotage our medical care. The blunt truth, which everybody (the politicians and healthcare providers) agreed to keep quiet, is that the only way to reduce these costs is to ration healthcare, thereby destroying our system. http://www.notintexas.org/Front_4.htm
>Cutting Doctors fees will reduce access. Your doctor may not accept the government health plan. Congress is wanting to cut Medicare fees by 21 percent. Cuts in Medicare reimbursements will spill into the government health plan and ultimately limit the number of doctors and hospitals that will accept the government plan.
>Much like the HMOs of the 80s your doctor access will be restricted to the few doctors who will accept the socialized plan.
>Limiting the availability of doctors and hospitals will have many devastating effects. Most threatening are:
>Over crowding waiting rooms
Backlog of medical testing i.e. CAT scans, MRI, PET scans etc...
>Rationing of Health Care
>Reduction of quality college students choosing medicine as a profession.
>With our aging population, quality health care providers needed now more than ever.
>We can pay with our lives. The federal government want us to believe they can mandate away 2 trillion dollars of medical expenses. We have learned from our friends from the north (the Canadians), the best way to reduce cost is to ration care.
>Government bureaucrats will pour over data and decide what the best means of care will be for the largest number of patients.
If medical condition differs from the government guidelines, it will NOT be paid by the government.
Should your doctor(s) decide the government allowed treatment is not for you, your doctors hands will be tied. If you dont have the financial means to pay for your treatment elsewhere, it could cost you your life.
In Canada, colonoscopies are rationed for colon cancer. Canadas colon cancer rate is 25 percent higher than in the U.S. even though Canadas population is smaller.
>We know from history, once a government program of this nature is passed, whether it is a total failure or not, it will NEVER be rescinded.
Texans can reject, and refuse to pay for, the federal government health plan. Texas will attract the BEST trained, MOST experienced doctors (and upcoming doctors) in the country. Texas will be the envy of every state in the union.
The truth about government controlled healthcare:
Government healthcare is failing miserably in Massachusetts
If you think a government run healthcare system can work and be more affordable, read this... http://www.notintexas.org/Front_5.htm
Article from the Washington Examiner 1/11/09:
Obamas health policy advisers should take a good look at the smoldering wreckage in the Bay State before trying to impose any such universal coverage on the rest of the nation. Link http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Universal_coverage_First_look_at_the_disaster_in_Massachusetts_011109.html
More interesting reading - Free Market Cure
Medicare - What is all the fuss about?
Medicare (and health insurance) is a political football. The aging baby boomers are currently contributing more tax dollars to the Medicare Trust Fund than they ever will again in our lifetime. In 2011, the first baby boomers will become eligible for Medicare, and many of them will retire, no longer contributing to the tax base.
Instead, they will become consumers of the Medicare system and begin to tap into the very funds they contributed to Medicare for more than 40 years. Within a few decades, we will suffer massive deficits caused by Medicare, Medicaid (welfarelong term care) and Social Security.
There is simply not a way to finance the Medicare system long term by raising taxes. Even if taxes were raised by 50 percent of the current rate, there still would not be enough money to fund the Medicare Part A Trust Fund for the long term.
The current Part A trust is expected to pay more than it takes in by 2019, and some are estimating this will begin to occur as early as 2016.
HCR 50 HAS PASSED THE HOUSE 99-36!
Affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution, serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates, and providing that certain federal legislation be prohibited or repealed.
Take Action! Before it is too late!
Congressmen & Congresswomen, listen up:
You better not pass this crap. You are trying to shove a load of crap down America’s throat. We will not take it. We are watching all of you to see who votes for this thing.
Grassley, you, too...dont get sucked into this by a couple of meaningless amendments
SEC. 121. COVERAGE OF ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE.
a) In General- A qualified health benefits plan shall provide coverage that at least meets the benefit standards adopted under section 124 for the essential benefits package described in section 122 for the plan year involved.
SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
(1) IN GENERAL- There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans.
(1) RECOMMENDATIONS ON BENEFIT STANDARDS- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall recommend to the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the `Secretary') benefit standards (as defined in paragraph (4)), and periodic updates to such standards. In developing such recommendations, the Committee shall take into account innovation in health care and consider how such standards could reduce health disparities.
(a) Process for Adoption of Recommendations-
(1) REVIEW OF RECOMMENDED STANDARDS- Not later than 45 days after the date of receipt of benefit standards recommended under section 123 (including such standards as modified under paragraph (2)(B)), the Secretary shall review such standards and shall determine whether to propose adoption of such standards as a package.
(2) DETERMINATION TO ADOPT STANDARDS- If the Secretary determines--
(A) to propose adoption of benefit standards so recommended as a package, the Secretary shall, by regulation under section 553 of title 5, United States Code, propose adoption such standards; or
(B) not to propose adoption of such standards as a package, the Secretary shall notify the Health Benefits Advisory Committee in writing of such determination and the reasons for not proposing the adoption of such recommendation and provide the Committee with a further opportunity to modify its previous recommendations and submit new recommendations to the Secretary on a timely basis.
(a) In General- A qualified health benefits plan shall provide coverage that at least meets the benefit standards adopted under section 124 for the essential benefits package described in section 122 for the plan year involved.
(1) REQUIRED OFFERING OF BASIC PLAN- The entity offers only one basic plan for such service area.
(2) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF ENHANCED PLAN- If and only if the entity offers a basic plan for such service area, the entity may offer one enhanced plan for such area.
(3) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM PLAN- If and only if the entity offers an enhanced plan for such service area, the entity may offer one premium plan for such area.
(4) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM-PLUS PLANS- If and only if the entity offers a premium plan for such service area, the entity may offer one or more premium-plus plans for such area.
All such plans may be offered under a single contract with the Commissioner.
(c) Specification of Benefit Levels for Plans-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commissioner shall establish the following standards consistent with this subsection and title I:
(A) BASIC, ENHANCED, AND PREMIUM PLANS- Standards for 3 levels of Exchange-participating health benefits plans: basic, enhanced, and premium (in this division referred to as a `basic plan', `enhanced plan', and `premium plan', respectively).
Items to note from the above:
Thank you for posting this valuable information! Bump
You are weclome, please pass it and the link around to all you know, asking them to do the same, and asking them all to flood their reps and senators emails, faxes, telephone lines, etc.
Have been and will do.
Agree have to flood them with input.
My concern is that people grow complacent or think it is dead and won’t pass—now is the time to be vigilant!!!!
There are laws against conspiracy to commit murder. What is this? This Healthcare bill is just that, it isn’t a law yet, but it states doctors will be appointed to write orders, and if they won’t the govt will have their own drs do it. There is no provision to opt out of the government healthcare if you are in it. If you read it, it will ruin all insurance companies forcing everyone onto this govt plan, and if you make any changes to your plan, then you go to govt plan..yada yada yada until ALL AMERICANS not in govt employment will have this plan...get it.
...why aren’t arrest warrants issued? The same as BC, no demand of proof of citizenship, and no arrest warrant, and no judges are hearing cases with evidence about ACORN.
There is a reason for this, and WHY these people are not following Constitution. There is a reason, but I can’t post it.
Better translation of DeathCare Details:
Where did you find the awesome Odin artwork? Is it online somewhere?
( Shuffles feet... )
“Where did you find the awesome Odin artwork? Is it online somewhere?”
Like all my graphics, I shamelessly lifted it!
The web addy is
Stick that into the img src=”” in the middle of the quote marks, and bracket the beginning and end with greaterthan lesserthan brackets and you can use it too.
What about DNA analysis to screen out those deemed a waste to treat?
I am angry. That this legislation can actually be introduced in the congress of the United States of America is an obscenity.
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