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The United States did not use the word "African" for birth certificates in 1961 - Obama's does!
Vital Statistics of the United States ^ | 1961 | U.S. Dept. of Health

Posted on 07/28/2009 11:00:24 AM PDT by trueamerica

VITAL STATISTICS OF THE UNITED STATES 1961 at

 http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf

 says on page 231 under the section "Race and color" the following:

 "Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite."

 "The category "white" includes, in addition to persons reported as "white," those reported as Mexican or Puerto Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with any other race is included in the Negro group; other mixed parentage is classified according to the race of the nonwhite parent and mixtures of nonwhite races to the race of the father. The exception refers to a mixture of Hawaiian and any other race, which is classified as Part-Hawaiian. In most tables a less detailed classification of "white" and "nonwhite" is used."

 Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" shows father's race as "African". That word was not used in 1961 to describe race.

You can draw your own conclusion.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: barackobama; bho2009; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; kenya; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; obamatruthfile; usurper
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1 posted on 07/28/2009 11:00:24 AM PDT by trueamerica
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To: trueamerica

What race is African? Is it different than European, Russian, South American, or North American?


2 posted on 07/28/2009 11:02:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: trueamerica

Good catch!!!!


3 posted on 07/28/2009 11:02:52 AM PDT by Galtoid ( .)
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To: trueamerica

Good pick up. I have always wondered about that. I assumed that Hawaii may have just become politically correct and started issuing fairly recently COLBs that changed Negro to African. Could that be the explanation? Worth asking the state of Hawaii.


4 posted on 07/28/2009 11:03:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: trueamerica

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
—John Adams


5 posted on 07/28/2009 11:03:34 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: trueamerica
you ought to send this to that bloviator, O’Reilly.
6 posted on 07/28/2009 11:04:29 AM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: trueamerica

Good find!


7 posted on 07/28/2009 11:05:06 AM PDT by rxsid
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To: trueamerica
I got a new birth certificate in 1984 because my parents misplaced my original. Maybe the one that shows the term African was part of new issuance.
8 posted on 07/28/2009 11:05:06 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: trueamerica
Does anyone else have a recently printed Hawaiian COLB from a black person born in that era? My first thought was that the data was entered into a computer and all references to negro, colored or black were changed to African during that data entry. Just having African doesn't prove that document as conterfeit because it was already claimed to be computer generated from the original records.

I still want to see a photo-reproduction of the original long form birth certificate with the hospital named and delivering doctor's signature.

9 posted on 07/28/2009 11:05:17 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (As a child Obama was rejected from Little League because of lack of a birth certificate.)
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To: trueamerica

There may be some Dutch African decendants surprised by this....


10 posted on 07/28/2009 11:05:29 AM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: trueamerica

That is because we haven’t seen a Birth Certificate. Just a Certification, which may or may not match the actual Birth Certificate. We really don’t even know if Barack Obama is his original name.


11 posted on 07/28/2009 11:05:39 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: trueamerica
“Attention Anne Coulter Neil Boortz and Curtis Swliwa please call you offices immediately.”
12 posted on 07/28/2009 11:05:51 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: trueamerica

I was listening to Hugh Hewitt yesterday and he called all birthers nuts, on the level of 9/11 truthers. He then proceeded to take only callers that agreed with him, and pronounced that this will be the last time he talks about the birth certificate idiocy, period.

Wonder if he will eventually eat those words.


13 posted on 07/28/2009 11:06:16 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: cpforlife.org

Unfortunately, our Govt Controled Media is not good at finding and reporting facts. They find opinions and guess’s make better stories.


14 posted on 07/28/2009 11:06:16 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: trueamerica
"The United States" does not issue birth certificates.

But don't let that little fact get in the way of insanity.

15 posted on 07/28/2009 11:06:42 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (Obama lied, America died.)
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To: trueamerica
And the tidbits just keep adding up.

There is more circumstantial evidence Obamah is not a naturalized citizen than there is saying his is.

16 posted on 07/28/2009 11:06:47 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: trueamerica

“Obama” translated to English means Liar!


17 posted on 07/28/2009 11:06:56 AM PDT by jakota (®)
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To: trueamerica

For a 1961 document- that term is a dead tipoff it is fake
the race term was “negro”

This also shows whoever dummied this document up was
a) not very smart
b) probably too young to remember when “negro” was a race, not an insult
c) too politically correct to use the term “negro”


18 posted on 07/28/2009 11:07:11 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: trueamerica

I, Joseph Robinette Biden, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States...


19 posted on 07/28/2009 11:08:02 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: trueamerica

Yikes! I’ve been kind of skeptical about the entire thing, but this is reminding me a lot of Dan Rather’s memos.


20 posted on 07/28/2009 11:08:27 AM PDT by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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To: trueamerica

I think the COLB is worthless, but “African” isn’t a slam dunk for me, since I can imagine how someone would have called Barack Sr. an African to distinguish him as an African Negro as opposed to an American Negro.


21 posted on 07/28/2009 11:09:04 AM PDT by Genoa
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To: trueamerica

Just who is this NBER.ORG that posted this supposed pdf document. Obviously they are radical right-wing teabaggers who make up unsubstantiated junk like this. Besides, putting it in an ~8mb file is descriminatory and racist against people with dial-up connections!
</sarc>


22 posted on 07/28/2009 11:09:19 AM PDT by A Mississippian (Proud 7th generaion Mississippian)
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To: All
Headline?

Hawaii Health chief breaks law to do Obama bidding?
Obama Declared "Natural Born Citizen"
Health chief cites "vital records" not long form birth certificate

24 posted on 07/28/2009 11:10:16 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: trueamerica

Someone said in another forum that THAT was the reason he did not want his Birth Certifcate out there .... becuase it had him listed as WHITE like his mother.


25 posted on 07/28/2009 11:11:01 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: trueamerica

I’ll have to point out a flaw in the conclusions drawn here. Hospital staff do not sit there and note “yep, that’s a white/Negro/American Indian/ Chinese/Japanese/etc...” into the records. That sort of info is provided by the parents of the child themselves, TO the hospital.

Do you really think a black man in 1961 is going to self-identify as a “Negro” ?


26 posted on 07/28/2009 11:11:25 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: SaveTheChief
The US doesn't issue birth certificates, but the USG does set the reporting requirement standards for the states so that the data can be compiled using uniform measures.

"Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite." The category "white" includes, in addition to persons reported as "white," those reported as Mexican or Puerto Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with any other race is included in the Negro group; other mixed parentage is classified according to the race of the nonwhite parent and mixtures of nonwhite races to the race of the father. The exception refers to a mixture of Hawaiian and any other race, which is classified as Part-Hawaiian. In most tables a less detailed classification of "white" and "nonwhite" is used."

27 posted on 07/28/2009 11:13:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Yes, yes. I can read complete crap and use cut and paste too. But that does not change the fact that the United States of America does NOT issue birth certificates.


29 posted on 07/28/2009 11:14:28 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (Obama lied, America died.)
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To: trueamerica
WOW...it's there.

Section 5, under "Race and Nationality":

"Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite."

This proves conclusively that the COLB posted by Obama is A FAKE. There was NO "African" designation. I'm beginning to think that what was hid was that he IS "officially" white!

30 posted on 07/28/2009 11:14:36 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Fawn
Someone said in another forum that THAT was the reason he did not want his Birth Certifcate out there .... becuase it had him listed as WHITE like his mother.

I would give that a plausable. Black babies come out looking "white" to those who haven't seen a lot of newborns, so I can imagine a light skinned baby born to a white woman in 1961 could be easily considered white (esp if no father were listed).

31 posted on 07/28/2009 11:14:48 AM PDT by A Mississippian (Proud 7th generaion Mississippian)
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To: NativeNewYorker
I, Joseph Robinette Biden, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States...

That will never happen over this issue and even if it did, it would be the worst disaster ever to befall the conservative cause. Obama would then become a political martyr, his policy failures would be forgotten and the mass of the American electorate would be filled with outrage towards a minority that managed to overturn their choice over a disputed issue. It wont happen and conservatives who take the time to stop and think should hope it never happens.

32 posted on 07/28/2009 11:14:49 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: SaveTheChief

It doesn’t say that it did. He’s referring to the VITAL STATISTICS of the United States. But don’t let that fact get in the way of blind ignorance.


33 posted on 07/28/2009 11:15:19 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: trueamerica

You are nitpicking. Hawaii wasn’t even the 57th state back then.


34 posted on 07/28/2009 11:15:37 AM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: mquinn
Do you really think a black man in 1961 is going to self-identify as a “Negro” ?

Yes, because it wasn't a bad word back then. It was the way to describe black people.

35 posted on 07/28/2009 11:15:44 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Oldexpat
I'm thinking our Govt Controlled Media is going to be thrown out soon and next year many in the Gov itself.

Enough is Enough.

36 posted on 07/28/2009 11:16:29 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: trueamerica
" Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" shows father's race as "African". That word was not used in 1961 to describe race. "

Typical leftwing moonbat mistake when forging documents; they use modern day linguistics instead of what was in use during the period they are trying to forge a document from.

If it's proof of anything, it's proof that Obama and his inner circle of co-conspirators (which includes certain media) have always known that Obama doesn't qualify to be be POTUS, and that they have been working on scrubbing records and planting loose doccuments which insinuate Obama was born in Hawaii. Even that wasn't done right. Like all things leftwing moonbats do, they lack co-ordination and do silly things like plant differing accounts on web sites like wiki pedia which name different hospitals which he is claimed to have been born in, name doctors who weren't even practicing pediatrics at the time, and "dig up" other planted information from supposed witnesses whose accounts also contradict their other planted info.

If anything, these leftwing moonbats are only confirming that not only is Obama unqualified, but there is a large number of corrupt individuals within government and the judicial system that need to be exposed and charged with a criminal conspiracy.

This is something that MUST be pursued to it's end, not only to rid this peoples nation of those responsible for attempting this coup, but to rid corruption in both our government and judicial system overall, regardless of which party these individuals belong to.

37 posted on 07/28/2009 11:17:02 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: trueamerica

Well, well, well, looks like the coverup tripped up. Not that its going to matter.


38 posted on 07/28/2009 11:17:07 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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Well done!!!!!!!!! We’ve known this for some time now but to be able to PROVE IT! Yeehaw!

PING!


39 posted on 07/28/2009 11:17:21 AM PDT by conservativegramma (Palin has my vote: whoever the media hates I love)
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To: Genoa
I think the COLB is worthless, but “African” isn’t a slam dunk for me, since I can imagine how someone would have called Barack Sr. an African to distinguish him as an African Negro as opposed to an American Negro.

If you can find one other us birth certificate that lists the race of the baby as "African" you might have a point.

40 posted on 07/28/2009 11:17:29 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: trueamerica
B I N G O!

God does, indeed, live in the details!!! Wanna bet SOMEONE'S head will roll over this one?
41 posted on 07/28/2009 11:18:20 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: umgud
. You are nitpicking. Hawaii wasn’t even the 57th state back then.

D@MNIt...good point. LOL

42 posted on 07/28/2009 11:18:48 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: silverleaf

This also shows whoever dummied this document up was
a) not very smart
b) probably too young to remember when “negro” was a race, not an insult
c) too politically correct to use the term “negro”

Or, was “influenced” ($$$) to make the change...during Opossum’s several vacations to Hawaii.


43 posted on 07/28/2009 11:18:50 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: trueamerica
African ...

and African...


44 posted on 07/28/2009 11:18:58 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: mquinn
Yes. I graduated high school in 1961. Negro was the accepted term of identification. Ever hear of the United Negro College Fund?

From Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream Speech," delivered 28 August 1963:

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

45 posted on 07/28/2009 11:19:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: libh8er

Which “African” was BHO Sr according to the COLB ?


46 posted on 07/28/2009 11:20:06 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: SaveTheChief

What that “cut and pasted crap” says to me is that in 1961, the states that comprise the United States of America, including the state of Hawaii, used those race classifications for birth certificates. Thus, there would be no way that Hawaii, or any other state in the union, would have used “African” as a classification, since that classification did not exist.

Am I missing something here?


47 posted on 07/28/2009 11:21:40 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: trueamerica
This is WHY Obama has never publicly stated that the COLB posted on line is "his". Plausible deniability. It's a forgery. And it's about ready to be exposed. A resolution "confirming" his Hawaii birth. A bogus statement by the Hawaii department of health.

Theory: The noise was ratcheted up on this issue BECAUSE the truth will come out very soon and Obama wanted as much confusion as possible.

49 posted on 07/28/2009 11:22:23 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: mquinn; All

How did the New York Times refer to blacks in 1961?? Negroes? African?? hmmmm


50 posted on 07/28/2009 11:22:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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