Skip to comments.Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
Posted on 07/28/2009 7:34:23 PM PDT by pissant
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Ping the Posse!
Haven’t read it yet but it sounds like it’s gonna be good!
Pissant - why does the long-form still say “Certificate of Live Birth?”
A close examination of the birth certificates issued by Kapi’olani to the Nordyke twins shows the registration number precedes the number given Obama, even though the future president was born a day earlier.
Meanwhile, an image of an apparently fraudulent Kenyan certificate of birth circulated on the Web today from an unknown source. It alleged Obama was born in Mombasa. But a contributor at FreeRepublic.com debunked it, declaring "Busted!"
CNN said this story was dead. LOL!
Lou Dobbs (bless this patriot) did not get the memo.
Just so that nobody gets confused: the order of the certificates means nothing. The numbers are only there for unique identification. One stack of them would be at one hospital or office, and another would be at another hospital or office, meaning that each would turn in the certificates out of order. Surely there are some missing as well.
However, the birth certificate, if produced, still wouldn’t resolve allegations that his citizenship was renounced.
He got the memo. He just round-filed it.
Clearing the Smoke on Obamas Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigators June 10 Report
In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the natural born citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.
7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301
a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period.
§338-20.5 Adoption; foreign born persons.
(a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country and for whom a final decree of adoption has been entered in a court of competent jurisdiction in Hawaii, when it receives the following:
(1) A properly certified copy of the adoption decree, or certified abstract thereof on a form approved by the department; and
(2) A copy of any investigatory report and recommendation which may have been prepared by the director of social services; and
(3) A report on a form to be approved by the department of health setting forth the following:
(A) Date of assumption of custody;
(C) Color or race;
(D) Approximate age of child;
(E) Name and address of the person or persons adopting said child;
(F) Name given to child by adoptive parent or parents;
(G) True or probable country of birth.
The true or probable country of birth shall be known as the place of birth, and the date of birth shall be determined by approximation. This report shall constitute an original certificate of birth; and
(4) A request that a new certificate of birth be established.
(b) After preparation of the new certificate of birth in the new name of the adopted person, the department of health shall seal and file the certified copy of the adoptive decree, the investigatory report and recommendation of the director of human services if any, the report constituting the original certificate of birth, and the request for a new certificate of birth. The sealed documents may be opened by the department only by an order of a court of record or when requested in accordance with section 578-14.5 or 578-15. The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents. [L 1979, c 203, §3; am L 1990, c 338, §3]
This certificate is a short form.
Welcome to FR.
Just waiting for the ruling by a certain U.S. District judge(a Marine) in Santa Ana, CA in “Cook vs. Obama”
“Mr. Presdent, I need to see your Birth Certificate”
Darn...I missed that gem of a thread entirely today...lol
Good work Freepers!
The distinction is not “Birth Certificate” vs. “Certificate of Live Birth”, but the latter vs. “CertificatION of Live Birth”. The former is the original document (or a photocopy/microfiche/digital scan of said original) - the document itself, for you to see. The latter is a printout with a stamp and seal on it that essentially says: “This information is what the actual document contains. Trust us...”
The media is working overtime to make this go away, never seen them work so hard to discredit a story
LOL! If Fox is smart - they should snap up Lou. CNN pisses off Lou then they will lose a lot of viewers.
I bet Lou could double his numbers on Fox and smash that phony The Leprechaun aka BOR(e) in the ratings.
Maybe Judge Carter and Lou Dobbs will be the patriots to stand up to Hussein Stalin and his thugs.
look at Obama’s COLB> Incredibly sparse. Almost no info on it at all. LOL! What a cheezy fake!
Whoa! This needs to be ping’ed to everyone. Good FIND!
Location of Birth
Birth Cert #
Barack Hussein Obama II
Kapiolani Medical Center
Aug. 4, 1961 7:24 pm
Susan Elizabeth Nordyke
Kapiolani Medical Center
Aug. 5, 1961 2:12 pm
Gretchen Carter Nordyke
Kapiolani Medical Center
Aug. 5, 1961 2:17 pm
I wish they would replace O’Reilly with Dobbs.
I posted this last fall, and also on another thread about 30 minutes ago. I am posting it once more for you and any other FReeper who hasn't seen it, hoping it might be some sort of "CLUE".
Last fall when this subject came up on FR, I noticed something on the "alleged REAL Obamassiah BC. It is circled in red on the pic below:
Not being an expert at Photoshop (like whoever TRIED to sell the above as a REAL doc) I had my wife do the red circle on the above doc, and then enlarge the area, and came up with this:
..which appeared like a date stamped on the back that "bled through". By "flipping" the image, enlarging and darkening it somewhat, it revealed this:
I never did find out from any Freeper if it was a "clue" of any kind concerning the "Obamassiah BC Mystery".
I wonder if the date would help at all as far as finding out who filed for the doc, or who did the "transaction" at work that day?
Also, cronologically, what was happening with Obamassiah at that time?
NO NO NO
BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK because daddy was a lying bigamist
Methinks someone faked BHO’s document, and forgot to check for sequential integrity.
Satin Doll posted on another thread that she read earlier that Obama’s newspaper announcement was actually spliced over the Nordyke’s announcement.
Anyone else recall reading that?
Also, I pointed out earlier that perhaps it was the Nordyke TRIPLETS, not twins, the third one died, and Obama bought the registry # and the place in the announcement from them for big bucks, no doubt.
Okay...question. Seeing the paperwork side by side...
The President was born on August 4, 1961...right? And his BC number is 151-1961-010641...YET...
Susan Elizabeth Nordyke, born Augst 5, 1961 (one day later) her BC number is 151-1961-10637. AN EARLIER NUMBER???
Any logical explanation how THAT occurred??? Because I would guess that Birth Certificate registration occurs in the order in which you were born, ie., August 4 births would have a lesser number than August 5...and so on.
I could be wrong...those wacky Hawaiians!!!
Again, see Hawaii's law about foreign births in post #13. Because they have no records on foreign births, all they can allow are assumptions. It's just simple, basic, assumed information.
These foreign certificates in no way claim the recipient to be a legal American born citizen.
there is a poster here that recently made a post about how things were stamped and I didn’t save the guy’s name. He talked to the people there about his own COLB
there were three ways that things were stamped depending on which stamping machine they used, etc.
I don’t remember the details. This may have been due to that.
I wish I could remember the thread that was on.
“Jun 6 2007” would be an alteration, hence it invalidates the “certificate”.
I think you are the first person who has foun dthis foreign birth info requirement. Great find that should be pinged.
Looks like the info is best guess.
No one seems to be seeing the connection. It's so easy, even a cave man can see it.
Thanks for your reply to my post!
I wonder if this is why his birth number is later than Nordykes's.
And what's a probable country of birth-can you make one up?
The first certificate looks like a MODERN ‘consular’ form of the BC, issued by an embassy (I know, my son’s looks like that because he was born in the UK and we applied for this abroad.) I repeat.....MODERN.
The second looks like MY original BC from when I was born in 1966 from MY state in the great US of A.
This is just all too weird beyond words.
Read this article. It confirms a lot of what the people have been saying. It is clear that CNN lied when they said that the paper records had been destroyed
I wish more of the msm would realize that point ( as one of MANY!!!).
I’ve lost interest in BOR, but he does crush Keith O. day in and day out. If Dobbs ever did make the switch to FOX, he should replace Shep Smith, who is becoming more and more replacable with each passing day.
Yup! That’s pretty much a smoking gun!
Him, too. LOL! I can’t stand the ‘green eyeshadow’ much more.
The Long form is a Certificate, while the short-form is a “Certification”. The former is an original document, the latter is a quickie printout (”certified” by whom, God only knows). These are the kinds of subtleties that the Enemedia are trying to sneak by everyone.
My wife's business deals with state registration forms. Number snafu's like this are common. There could be a multitude of reasons.
For instance she has multiple stacks of the forms. Employees are supposed to use the next number in line but being lazy, very busy or not caring they just grab one when the previosuly employee did not put the stack back in order so the numbers are out of order with the dates every so often.
Maybe the hospital had these forms in different locations???
It’s literally the “missing link.” ;-)
And it further begs the question, why did CNN lie? And if they were told, from Hawaiian or WH officials that the records were destroyed, why? If the records WERE not destroyed...because it can’t be both ways.