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Andrew Sullivan: Back To Square One [Andrew Sullivan, Semi-Birther?]
The Atlantic ^ | July 29, 2009 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 07/31/2009 10:39:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Nathan Zachary

This is getting better, though.


21 posted on 07/31/2009 11:06:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Hammer, hammer, hammer in the question until the wood splits.

Yep. Notice not a single leftist journalist asked the question, "did you see Obama's long form origional birth certificate"?

This is a play on words, hashing over the same thing, the COLB. It may very well be the "official" document on Hawaii's registry. Doesn't mean it isn't a forgery, and it ISN'T the origional long form birth certificate issued on the day a child is born in hawaii.

22 posted on 07/31/2009 11:09:39 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Brother" will suit me just fine, thanks.

You know, when even liberals begin to see the hypocrisy in Obama's secrecy, you know the bigger picture is becoming painfully clear to all but the ignorant and the faithful.

This guy Sullivan admits that he believes Obama is legitimate, but that hasn't caused his powers of reason to lock up.

This is the second article I've seen today, where a prominent lib came out and said something on the order of, "You know, it doesn't make sense that the President won't release his records. This is making him look very suspicious."

23 posted on 07/31/2009 11:09:48 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has anyone asked Dr Fukino her definition of “natural born” and her qualifications to make such a determination?


24 posted on 07/31/2009 11:12:21 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (if the government makes trading a used car this hard how are they going to handle a doctor visit?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"This is getting better, though."

It seems to be. The focus is starting to narrow down to the paper we are wanting to see.

I just hope someone made a copy of the numbers, so we can see who was bumped off to give Obama his number for that forgery they have to make....

To me, it isn't a question of IF Obama was born in America. He's already proven he wasn't. There was absolutely no reason to create this issue, other than hiding the truth.

25 posted on 07/31/2009 11:14:39 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

who was bumped off... or who already died. They wouldn’t have to time it to the minute or even the hour, that level of recording did not exist back then.

If so. There could be other problems that he’s hiding. The pressure will relax considerably when he shows the thing. Which if it isn’t mighty soon, is going to get him laughed off the American stage by his own liberals.


26 posted on 07/31/2009 11:18:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Because the truth is the truth is the truth, and we CAN handle the truth. THEY can’t. And they never expected the left to get so crazy over OUR “craziness” that they would make these kinds of “get it over with already” statements to shut us “crazies” up. This is priceless.


27 posted on 07/31/2009 11:23:34 PM PDT by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk's favorite cookie. At least that's what my TV said.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"who was bumped off... or who already died. They wouldn’t have to time it to the minute or even the hour, that level of recording did not exist back then."

Oh yes it did. I worked for government in my younger years. Numbered documents like that were handed out sequentially, any destroyed ones were recorded as such. Hospitals had to be accountable for every slip of numbered piece of paper they handled on behalf of government.

Maybe 1961 seems like they were ancient times to you, but not to me. The nation was highly organized by then.

28 posted on 07/31/2009 11:28:29 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TChad
Um, Andrew? If you want to see the original record, you ARE a birther. That is the primary birther demand.

What Sullivan, you wanna be an AfterBirther, but just can't stomach their illogical spin anymore?

29 posted on 07/31/2009 11:28:53 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: NonValueAdded
Has anyone asked Dr Fukino her definition of “natural born” and her qualifications to make such a determination?

I have asked the first question of Janice Okubo who is the information officer for the Department of Health.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2304248/posts?page=30#30

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2304248/posts?page=57#57

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2304248/posts?page=83#83

So far, no responses.

30 posted on 07/31/2009 11:29:42 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
How could Obama’s handlers have let him get painted into a corner like this?

Crooks and con artists aren't all that smart. His cronies, the Democrat leadership, and his campaign staff all knew about (or suspected) the fraud, but they all sold their country down the river for a shot at the crown, thinking (as all criminals do), that they could get away with it.

Once they all signed on to the Big Lie, there was no going back. They're "all in", as they say, and have no choice but to help Obama maintain the con.

But, it's much worse than that. They're now in a position of no possible retreat, and must build what is perhaps the most elaborate con job in the history of our country, in order to survive.

The stakes couldn't be higher. With every passing day, it becomes more evident that some devastating secret is being hidden from public view by Obama. The controversy has passed the point of spontaneous combustion, and is now burning out of control.

The only thing that will put it to rest at this point is full disclosure of all his records, yet Obama continues to stall while the political damage grows like some virulent cancer.

Simple reason indicates that he would gladly end this controversy by releasing his personal documents if they would prove his eligibility, but he continues to withhold them, ergo, his personal documentation proves him to be a fraud and a liar.

I can't imagine the amount of pressure and sheer panic this must be causing Obama and his inner circle. They know that if the whole ugly truth gets out, that they will all hang for it.

31 posted on 07/31/2009 11:32:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
To me, it isn't a question of IF Obama was born in America. He's already proven he wasn't.

What he has done is show that he doesn't what his original birth certificate public. Could there be other reasons? What could they be?

His parents weren't legally married?

Who was the doctor?

Dual citizenship?

Footprint has six toes?

Or does he want to birthers getting attention as a diversion from what he is actually doing?

Who knows. Personally, I think he was born here, but he is hiding something.

32 posted on 07/31/2009 11:32:52 PM PDT by Hugin (Sarah Palin: accept no substitutes!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m trying to figure out why people who say they love the Constitution think Obama has to incriminate himself.


33 posted on 07/31/2009 11:33:52 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I mean, that within a day the slips, if ordered by time of delivery, wouldn’t be ordered by serial number, even if they all were if grouped by day. Some irregularity would occur in the time order that the births got recorded. So anybody born that day, who had since died, would be OK to reuse. (If Obama needs to forge one.)


34 posted on 07/31/2009 11:34:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: SaxxonWoods

When Obama begins to overtly take the Fifth, we have reached a significant point. So far, there is no movement to “Bush” him.


35 posted on 07/31/2009 11:36:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Windflier

I think that some people are under the illusion that the GOP is still electable, or serves some purpose in being elected, or something along those lines.

Personally, I am done with the GOP. I don’t care either way what happens to them. I support the constitution of my country, and not one damned thing else. If that means that they lose even more seats in the future, then so be it.

I want this document shown. Whatever happens after that happens.


36 posted on 07/31/2009 11:36:41 PM PDT by chris37
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To: SteveH

Why doesn’t *someone* ask Nancy Pelosi, who swore (under oath in the nominating papers of the Democratic Party that were submitted to the states in order to get on the ballot) that Obama was constitutionally eligible to hold office, what documentation she looked at before doing so?

If she didn’t see proof that he was a natural-born citizen and yet SWORE he was, she committed perjury.

Someone needs to ask her this question.


37 posted on 07/31/2009 11:36:50 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Windflier

you said - “The only thing that will put it to rest at this point is full disclosure of all his records” -

Maybe he’s already shredded all of them.


38 posted on 07/31/2009 11:37:54 PM PDT by zorro8987
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This might be something of a blogosphere tipping point.

You think they are beginning to regret going after Dobbs...?

39 posted on 07/31/2009 11:39:22 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Which means, essentially, it’s a matter of civil law. Nobody is threatening Obama with prosecution for a crime, and it would be vanishingly unlikely with the current Rat Congress. The Fifth doesn’t apply to proceedings of civil law, only of criminal law.


40 posted on 07/31/2009 11:39:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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