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Andrew Sullivan: Back To Square One [Andrew Sullivan, Semi-Birther?]
The Atlantic ^ | July 29, 2009 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 07/31/2009 10:39:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The whole birth certificate issue gets weirder still:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

But why are we supposed to rely on the testimony of Dr Fukino, whom I believe entirely. It is not my job as a journalist or yours as a citizen to take public officials on trust. They are not to be trusted, whoever they are. It is our job to demand all the evidence we want or need. I know the electronic record is legit. I have no doubt that Obama has every constitutional right to be president. I think the Birthers are nuts. But there is no reason on earth that the original cannot be retrieved and shown. Jon Klein and CNN were wrong, and I retract my apology of yesterday.

(Excerpt) Read more at andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: allahpundit; andrewsullivan; article2section1; atheistbloggers; barackobama; bho; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; bloggers; blogosphere; certifigate; charlesjohnson; colb; democrats; drivebymedia; fukino; hillary; hotair; kenyabelieveit; lgf; mccain; msm; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; orlytaitz; pumas; rinos; transparency
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This gets more and more interesting every day.
1 posted on 07/31/2009 10:39:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the Birthers are nuts.

Heh, heh. Are we now?

I may or may not be nuts but I'm enjoying the hell out of watching you left-wing wackos being driven nuts by the whole birth certificate dealio.

2 posted on 07/31/2009 10:42:12 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That's a freaking great piece of journalism, that is, regardless of the topic.

But the topic is interesting, even though I'm agnostic on it.

3 posted on 07/31/2009 10:45:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the feller who thinks (still) that Trig isn’t Sarah’s son, so we all have to make the same allowances for Sullivan that he pretends to make for the birthers. Nevertheless, he’s picking up on the salient point - why is everyone so eager to ridicule the birthers when the disproof is yet to be produced?


4 posted on 07/31/2009 10:45:52 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: the invisib1e hand

This might be something of a blogosphere tipping point.


5 posted on 07/31/2009 10:47:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: Texas Eagle

At least most of us aren’t gargling someone’s nuts, like andy.


6 posted on 07/31/2009 10:48:45 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"But there is no reason on earth that the original cannot be retrieved and shown. Jon Klein and CNN were wrong, and I retract my apology of yesterday."

Then you must be nuts too, because all the so called "birthers" want is to see the original certificate as well, which Obama has made into an issue because of his refusal to comply with the law and show it, and because he has spent so much money refusing to provide it.

7 posted on 07/31/2009 10:49:33 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the birthers are nuts.


"You talkin' to me?
Are you talkin' to ME?"

8 posted on 07/31/2009 10:49:48 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: pissant

Oh no you di’in’t.


9 posted on 07/31/2009 10:50:49 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Billthedrill

Ridicule is one of Alinsky’s KEY tactics.


10 posted on 07/31/2009 10:51:08 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; WOSG
But why are we supposed to rely on the testimony of Dr Fukino, whom I believe entirely. It is not my job as a journalist or yours as a citizen to take public officials on trust. They are not to be trusted, whoever they are. It is our job to demand all the evidence we want or need.

Try explaining this reasoning to some of our FRiends who take the word of Dr. Fukino as proof positive of Obama's birth on American soil and his eligibility to be President.

11 posted on 07/31/2009 10:52:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I think the “money amount” thing is probably a spurious meme, whether quoted at half a mil or whatever, because it would be so hard to be privy to that.

But I think the liberals are now taking him and the good Hawaiian doctor at face value, and asking him please publish the durn thing and get this growing crowd of scoffers off our backs.

How could Obama’s handlers have let him get painted into a corner like this?


12 posted on 07/31/2009 10:54:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the Birthers are nuts. But there is no reason on earth that the original cannot be retrieved and shown.

Um, Andrew? If you want to see the original record, you ARE a birther. That is the primary birther demand.

13 posted on 07/31/2009 10:54:16 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Billthedrill
"why is everyone so eager to ridicule the birthers when the disproof is yet to be produced?"

At this point, the only way to prove birthers are nuts is to provide a certified copy of Obama's long form birth certificate.

Anyone can be bought and paid for to say they 'witnessed' seeing it, which brings another question to add to the gerowing list of others. Why was this person able to see it? Did he break the law in doing so? Was he ORDERED to viwew it? By who? HAHAHAHA! These leftist moonbats keep digging deeper and deeper in their conspiracy to foist an illigitamate Usurper upon the nation, who's every action is null and void, even if he does serve a full term, and it is later found everything he did was illegal because he was not legal.

14 posted on 07/31/2009 10:54:51 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Windflier

Preach it, Brother (or Sister)!!!


15 posted on 07/31/2009 10:54:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

;)


16 posted on 07/31/2009 10:56:36 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"How could Obama’s handlers have let him get painted into a corner like this?"

There can be one one logical reason. Obama is a fraud.

17 posted on 07/31/2009 10:56:53 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TChad

Birthers, broadly, come in various closely related flavors. It depends on their personal understanding of the law and their personal suspicions. Not all would be satisfied with the same level of demonstration. I believe they should be careful not to destroy each other while watching to see what Obama will actually do.


18 posted on 07/31/2009 10:58:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

My suspicion is that he is talking about the COLB, not the original long form birth certificate, as that was the only document in question in 2008.

They are playing word games, but being careful not to entrap themselves, and maintaining plausible deniability.

19 posted on 07/31/2009 11:03:39 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

If the statement by the Hawaiian doctor had been sooner (and a bit more specific) I believe most would have given Obama a pass who are vocally doubting him today.

I think we are watching the first successful counter-Alinsky maneuver unfold, while Orly Taitz has been as single minded and hard headed as a woodpecker, and it is beautiful. Hammer, hammer, hammer in the question until the wood splits.


20 posted on 07/31/2009 11:03:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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