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Non-Believers Losing Faith in Obama: More God Talk Than Bush; Same Old Faith-Based Policies
Politics Daily ^ | July 31, 2009 | David Gibson

Posted on 08/02/2009 11:00:40 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The Secular Coalition for America moved into spanking new K Street offices this week and the swagger – and implicit political heft – that such an address confers on the lone Washington lobby representing America's proudly godless couldn't come at a better time.

Back on Election Day, Barack Obama was a favorite of the religiously unaffiliated, winning an overwhelming 75 percent of a bloc that is growing fast – from nine percent of the electorate in 2000 to 12 percent in 2008 –and one that figures to be crucial to Obama's chances in 2012, especially as his once-stratospheric approval numbers settle down toward mere mortal levels.

But since November, Obama has also shown himself to be the most biblically (and theologically) literate president in decades, and one who makes no effort to hide his light under a bushel. In fact, the current president invokes Jesus more regularly than his predecessor, George W. Bush – and of course he has to, given persistent rumors that Obama is a Muslim, or simply an unbeliever in Christian clothing.

Secularists could live with the God talk, if it were just talk. "While we'd rather not see so much religious rhetoric, it is the norm" for presidents, said Jesse Galef, spokesman for the Secular Coalition for America. "That's not a battle we're looking to fight, going after him for invoking Jesus' name more than George Bush did."

More troubling for the coalition and its fellow unbelievers, however, are some of Obama's policy initiatives – such as his apparent tolerance for religious discrimination in hiring for faith-based programs, and his split-the-baby compromise on embryonic stem cell research – and several recent personnel moves.

Just Thursday, for example, the Senate Armed Services Committee began hearings on the nomination of Rep. John McHugh, a Republican from upstate New York, as Army secretary – a nomination meant to showcase Obama's bipartisan bona fides but which instead riled secularists upset at McHugh's congressional track record on church-state issues. In particular was McHugh's 2005 vote against an amendment aimed at curbing "coercive and abusive religious proselytizing" by Evangelical Christians of the sort that had been revealed by an investigation at the Air Force Academy.

Sarah Posner, The American Prospect columnist and religion critic, wrote that McHugh's record "shows a disrespect for church-state separation generally, as well as a disregard for the ongoing infringement of service members' constitutional rights from aggressive proselytization in the armed forces." And Jason Torpy, president of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers, told Posner that if confirmed, McHugh's nomination "almost ensures a continuation of the stranglehold of dominionist Evangelical Christians on our military. His voting record speaks with a litany of special privileges for the Christian agenda." (McHugh has said the article does "not merit a response.")

Sonia Sotomayor was not seen as quite the champion of church-state separation that secularists would like, but her nomination was followed by Obama's twin-bill nominations in July of Dr. Regina Benjamin, a practicing Roman Catholic who was awarded a papal medal, as surgeon general, and Francis S. Collins, an outspoken Evangelical and leading gene scientist, as director of the National Institutes of Health. Collins was an atheist but converted in his 20s, and in 2006 he wrote a best-selling book, "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief."

That was a red flag to secularists (Collins' support for stem cell research and evolution also drew opposition from some conservative Christians – strange bedfellows, indeed), who voiced concern about the nation's most prominent scientist also being a believing Christian. (In fact, a recent Pew survey shows that about half of scientists report a religious affiliation and just over half say they believe in God or a "higher power." That's not like the numbers of the wider public, but not inconsiderable either.)

The most public critique came from Sam Harris, a prominent voice in the neo-atheist vanguard of best-selling authors and polemicists, whose July 26 op-ed in The New York Times said that "few things make thinking like a scientist more difficult than religion."

"Must we really entrust the future of biomedical research in the United States to a man who sincerely believes that a scientific understanding of human nature is impossible?" Harris asked. The atheist blogger at Examiner.com, Paul Fidalgo, called Collins' nomination "one more public embrace of irrationality" by Obama.

How much this represents an incipient revolt among the unbelievers is hard to say.

"I have heard a dissatisfaction," said the Secular Coalition's Galef. "People are getting disillusioned waiting for more sweeping change."

Secularists say they're not asking for heaven here on earth, and they realize that much has improved. "This is a better administration than the one we had. It's not perfect; politics is never perfect." But Obama specifically mentioned non-believers in his Inaugural Address, which was widely noted, and in his proclamation for the National Day of Prayer in May – an annual irritation to atheists – he at least referred obliquely to those with no belief, even if they wished he hadn't mentioned prayer at all.

And Obama's poll numbers remain much stronger with the unaffiliated than with regular churchgoers. But nonbelievers won't keep the faith forever. "We're glad he [Obama] is taking steps forward. But he could still do more to make us happier," Galef concluded. "Lip service is better than no service. But at a certain point we'll stop being happy with just the lip service."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bho44; faithbased; irreligiousleft; obamaandgod; third100days
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The godless heathens are restless... ;)
1 posted on 08/02/2009 11:00:40 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Frankly I don’t give a damn about the opinion of the losers.


2 posted on 08/02/2009 11:07:23 AM PDT by Tempest (Honk if I'm paying for your bonus.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Anybody who believed Obama was an atheist or an agnostic was either not paying attention or must have assumed he was lying about his religious beliefs.


3 posted on 08/02/2009 11:08:02 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Barack Obama was a favorite of the religiously unaffiliated, winning an overwhelming 75 percent of a bloc that is growing fast – from nine percent of the electorate in 2000 to 12 percent in 2008 –and one that figures to be crucial to Obama's chances in 2012, especially as his once-stratospheric approval numbers...

So then the "religiously unaffiliated" will overlook Osama's screwups because he's one of them? So it sounds to me like they just traded one god for another.

4 posted on 08/02/2009 11:08:46 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ABC-AP-MSNBC-All Obama, All the time.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush’s supporters never thought that he was god.


5 posted on 08/02/2009 11:08:47 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
But since November, Obama has also shown himself to be the most biblically (and theologically) literate president in decades,....

What the hell is he talking about??? This sounds more like satire, but I think he is being serious. 0bama has shown his dismal ignorance concerning what the bible actually says several times. He sat at the feet of Rev. Jeramiah Wright after all.

6 posted on 08/02/2009 11:12:20 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

He has muslim habits and a general disregard if not disdain for all things Christian oriented. I don’t think he has a god higher than himself though.


7 posted on 08/02/2009 11:13:43 AM PDT by allmost
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Suicide is always an option for those who constantly whine about hearing about God.


8 posted on 08/02/2009 11:14:40 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

They can go to.....ummm....HELL!


9 posted on 08/02/2009 11:17:16 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You said — The godless heathens are restless... ;)

Yes they are...

But, I don’t know how much the “godless heathens” are going to help the conservatives in the long run. I mean, let’s say they don’t like Obama and they want to get rid of him... does anyone think they are going to become conservatives? I hope someone doesn’t think that... LOL...

Nope, all they are going to do is go to someone who is as “godless a heathen” as they are... and that’s not too much help to conservatives...


10 posted on 08/02/2009 11:23:20 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Ijust find it amusing that so many that voted for him seem to be turning on him already.

It’s not that they’re mad that he’s ruining America; heck, they agree with that!

It’s that he’s not sinking us FAST enough!


11 posted on 08/02/2009 11:25:09 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You said — The godless heathens are restless... ;)

Yes they are...

But, I don’t know how much the “godless heathens” are going to help the conservatives in the long run. I mean, let’s say they don’t like Obama and they want to get rid of him... does anyone think they are going to become conservatives? I hope someone doesn’t think that... LOL...

Nope, all they are going to do is go to someone who is as “godless a heathen” as they are... and that’s not too much help to conservatives...


12 posted on 08/02/2009 11:25:20 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Tempest

Neither do I, but Rat-on-Rat fighting is always fun to watch.


13 posted on 08/02/2009 11:25:37 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Collins was an atheist but converted in his 20s, and in 2006 he wrote a best-selling book, "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief."

Sounds pretty admirable to me.Why would an amoral psychopath like Hussein nominate this man for *anything*? Did Hussein just get it wrong...or is there less to this guy than appears?

14 posted on 08/02/2009 11:26:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Star Traveler

Don’t make me repeat myself, LOL!


15 posted on 08/02/2009 11:27:33 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Did Hussein just get it wrong...or is there less to this guy than appears?”

Nah. He blundered. Just look at some of the SCOTUS appointments under Republican presidents as an example in the opposite direction. ;)


16 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:00 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
The godless heathens will never be happy until there are no believers of any kind left. In other words, they wont be happy until they are in Hell - but whoa, wait a minute - they will definitely NOT be happy even then because in Hell they along with everyone else there has come to the realization that God does exist. In fact:

Philippians 2:9-11 (King James Version)

9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

17 posted on 08/02/2009 11:30:32 AM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I know... I know...

I watch it so I don’t make duplicates... but sometimes... oh welll... :-)


18 posted on 08/02/2009 11:32:51 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You said — It’s not that they’re mad that he’s ruining America; heck, they agree with that!

Yes, there are those who can’t get Godless fast enough... hoo-boy!


19 posted on 08/02/2009 11:34:08 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Maybe that Newbauer (sp?) guy will agree to run under the Atheist Party. The guy that tried to get the “under God” phrase taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance? He'd be perfect - he's a raging anti-God, anti-Christian bigot - and a LAWYER at that. Wonder how many votes he'd siphon from the Dims?
20 posted on 08/02/2009 11:39:17 AM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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