Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2
My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.
Here we go:
Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).
I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
google “newspaper archive” and find one to look at their database.
Reading the Constitution, it is apparent that Obama could be either a British or Kenyan citizen even if he was born in Hawaii and his mother could apply to be a Kenyan citizen.
Frankly, without documents to compare it to, my only conclusion is that it is a forgery.
That site must be getting pounded right now. Can’t get in. Will try later.
http://www.ndegwa.com/images/Citizenship_and_Ethnicity.pdf
interesting read into the politics of colonial and post colonial kenya
I think all he meant was that January 20 is Inauguration Day when there is an inauguration.
Thanks for posting this thread....not as much reading to do!
Jeez...ya leave for a few hours and it takes days to catch up!
“In October 1963, Nigeria altered its relationship with the United Kingdom by proclaiming itself a federal republic and promulgating a new constitution.”
Barry being 47 and the 44th? or the Republic? or the font? or the mispelled village? or the wrong age for papa? or the high pixalation around the photograph objects?
My conclusion: FORGERY- it needs to be rejected first at the FR.
Just for comparison to Kenya
And to quote Alice: It gets curiouser and curiouser.
someone needs to find out what was the title of the country was on other registrations of birth on this day to see if they match
Great work! Thanks.
I'm sure a lot of paperwork occurred during the transition including creating the forms for the new nation and transferring the information from the British documents. This was before computers, and creating new birth/citizen certificates for all Kenyans would have been quite a process.
If the document is fake, I don't think it will be debunked because forms were being created and information being transferred before the official independence day. There are even newspaper articles talking about the transition to independence years before it happened. It would be stupid to become a new nation and not know who your new nation's citizens are from the start.
There was/is a thread posted today about WND and it’s comparison docs. I didn’t read it so I can’t give you a link.
The Constitution of Kenya
Chapter VI: Citizenship87*. Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on llth December. 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963: Provided that a person shall not become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of this subsection if neither of his parents was born in Kenya.
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). becomes a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.
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Looks like Kenya's Constitution made both Daddy and Baby 0 citizens of Kenya on December 12, 1963 DESPITE the fact Zero [might, maybe, possibly] being born in Hawaii.
Just curious, why is this photographed on this
orange tablecloth??? Who did the photography??
You didn’t change your screen name yet? :)
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