Kenyan Birth Certificate - 1964 Divorce Timeline

Free Republic ^ | 8-2-09 | BP2

[statestreet]

Newspaper reports indicate that Jomo Kenyatta did not announce that Kenya would move from commonwealth to republic status until August 1964. From the New York Times News Service: "Prime Minister Jomo Kenyatta announced the government's decision Friday." (Des Moines Register, August 15, 1964, p. 16)

[Porterville]

google “newspaper archive” and find one to look at their database.

[machogirl]

Here’s a guy that should know.

http://www.ndegwa.com/biography.html

[kabar]

Reading the Constitution, it is apparent that Obama could be either a British or Kenyan citizen even if he was born in Hawaii and his mother could apply to be a Kenyan citizen.

[Porterville]

Frankly, without documents to compare it to, my only conclusion is that it is a forgery.

[savedbygrace]

That site must be getting pounded right now. Can’t get in. Will try later.

[machogirl]

http://www.ndegwa.com/images/Citizenship_and_Ethnicity.pdf

interesting read into the politics of colonial and post colonial kenya

[Arthur McGowan]

I think all he meant was that January 20 is Inauguration Day when there is an inauguration.

[azishot]

Thanks for posting this thread....not as much reading to do!

Jeez...ya leave for a few hours and it takes days to catch up!

[spycatcher]

“In October 1963, Nigeria altered its relationship with the United Kingdom by proclaiming itself a federal republic and promulgating a new constitution.”

[Porterville]

Barry being 47 and the 44th? or the Republic? or the font? or the mispelled village? or the wrong age for papa? or the high pixalation around the photograph objects?

My conclusion: FORGERY- it needs to be rejected first at the FR.

[spycatcher]

Just for comparison to Kenya

[mc5cents]

The “Birther Bashing” stories are getting more frenetic and frantic. (I thought that I should be redundant with the words) :)

And to quote Alice: It gets curiouser and curiouser.

[mjp]

On February 17, 1964 the formal title of the country was the “Dominion of Kenya”. It became the “Republic of Kenya” on December 12, 1964, about 10 months later.

someone needs to find out what was the title of the country was on other registrations of birth on this day to see if they match

[presently no screen name]

Great work! Thanks.

[Perchant]

could it have considered itself a Republic before the name was offically changed?

I'm sure a lot of paperwork occurred during the transition including creating the forms for the new nation and transferring the information from the British documents. This was before computers, and creating new birth/citizen certificates for all Kenyans would have been quite a process.

If the document is fake, I don't think it will be debunked because forms were being created and information being transferred before the official independence day. There are even newspaper articles talking about the transition to independence years before it happened. It would be stupid to become a new nation and not know who your new nation's citizens are from the start.

[deport]

There was/is a thread posted today about WND and it’s comparison docs. I didn’t read it so I can’t give you a link.

[MamaTexan]

Could the proud new father have tried to make sure his new son (was he the first son?) was registered a Kenyan, even while born in Honolulu?

The Constitution of Kenya
Chapter VI: Citizenship87*. Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on llth December. 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963: Provided that a person shall not become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of this subsection if neither of his parents was born in Kenya.

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). becomes a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.

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Looks like Kenya's Constitution made both Daddy and Baby 0 citizens of Kenya on December 12, 1963 DESPITE the fact Zero [might, maybe, possibly] being born in Hawaii.

[savage woman]

Just curious, why is this photographed on this
orange tablecloth??? Who did the photography??

[presently no screen name]

You didn’t change your screen name yet? :)