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Obama's dissident database could be secret -- and permanent
The Washington Examiner ^ | 08/06/09 | Byron York

Posted on 08/06/2009 6:06:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

The White House request that members of the public report anyone who is spreading "disinformation" about the proposed national health care makeover could lead to a White House database of political opponents that will be both secret and permanent, according to Republican lawyers on the Senate Judiciary Committee who are examining the plan's possible implementation.

On Monday, White House director of new media Macon Phillips posted a note on the White House web site complaining of "disinformation about health insurance reform." "These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation," Phillips wrote. "Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

In a letter to Obama Tuesday, Republican Sen. John Cornyn wrote that, given Phillips' request, "it is inevitable that the names, email address, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported to the White House." Cornyn warned the president that "these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection program."

"I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward emails critical of his policies to the White House," Cornyn continued. "I urge you to cease this program immediately."

Senate Judiciary Committee lawyers studying the proposal say that although there is no absolutely settled law on the matter, the White House plan is likely not covered by the Privacy Act, which prohibits government agencies from keeping any records "describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained." Therefore, it appears the White House can legally keep records of the emails and other communications it receives in response to Phillips' request.

Those lawyers also point out that the White House is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act, which means it would not have to release any information on the plan to members of the public who make a request.

In addition, the lawyers say the collected emails likely will be covered by the Presidential Records Act, which requires the White House to preserve and maintain its records for permanent storage in a government database. Phillips' request suggests that whatever information the White House receives on health-care reform "disinformation" will be used to further the goal of passing a national health-care makeover, which is, of course, one of the president's main policy initiatives. Such material, and whatever the White House does with it, would qualify as presidential records. Only after more than a decade would such records be publicly available.

"So the White House, whether by design or accident, has requested information from the public that will become 'records' under the Presidential Records Act, yet would be impermissible for any government to otherwise collect under the Privacy Act," writes one Judiciary Committee source. "Where were the lawyers in all of this? What is their legal basis for authorizing the collection of these records?"

Linda Douglass, head of communications for the White House Office of Health Reform, says the White House is "not compiling lists or sources of information" on opponents of health care reform. But if "fishy" information is indeed collected, as Phillips' request suggested, the laws involved mean that the information obtained by the White House could not only be secret but permanent. A dissident database, in whatever precise form it ultimately takes, could be around for a long time to come.


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KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhofascism; bhohealthcare; bhotyranny; communism; democratcorruption; democrats; enemieslist; fascism; fishy; hopeychangey; informants; liberalfascism; lindadouglass; lping; marxism; obama; obamabrownshirts; obamacare; snitches; socialism; socializedmedicine; townhalls; transparency; tyranny
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To: bamahead; Eric Blair 2084; nw_arizona_granny; appleseed; Arthur Wildfire! March

ping


41 posted on 08/06/2009 7:00:50 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: greyfoxx39

This beyond belief..

What happened to the 1st Amendment ???


42 posted on 08/06/2009 7:02:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Noumenon
What a Nazi, just like Blair and Brown.

Everything in the modern 'Political' [I use that term to describe these people very loosely indeed} World is completely 180 degrees from what it claims to be!

It was certainly a good strategy for the sheeple & naive while it lasted, but shows them up exactly for what they are now, just a bunch of corrupt liars with a hidden agenda.
43 posted on 08/06/2009 7:02:38 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

44 posted on 08/06/2009 7:09:03 AM PDT by scoobysnak71 (Just a National Security Threat, trying to get a nut.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
What happened to the 1st Amendment ???

da king

45 posted on 08/06/2009 7:09:58 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Malkin: Obama administration, "Hope and Change wrapped in brass knuckles")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Intimidation is an act of cowardice. Obama can't face the public so he tries to intimidate people into silence.

I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!

46 posted on 08/06/2009 7:11:13 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1938 all over again - the democrats are the new NAZIs and conservatives are the new Jews.)
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To: metmom; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
...the White House is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act, which means it would not have to release any information on the plan to members of the public who make a request...



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47 posted on 08/06/2009 7:11:53 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
I’m sure they have a spam filter.

It had better be robust!

48 posted on 08/06/2009 7:12:24 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1938 all over again - the democrats are the new NAZIs and conservatives are the new Jews.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Obama, king of the world, the pretender king to the throne of America..


49 posted on 08/06/2009 7:12:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: FreeStateYank; magisterium; digital-olive

late ping for new members.


50 posted on 08/06/2009 7:14:02 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: nomad
And can we use the Freedom of Information Act and sue to force them to release their enemies list?

You notice that the e-mail is at a .org rather than a .gov site. He's setting it up to avoid it being subject to the 'Freedom of Information Act'. He'll claim that this is NOT a government site and therefore isn't subject to the constraints sited in the act.

51 posted on 08/06/2009 7:14:49 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1938 all over again - the democrats are the new NAZIs and conservatives are the new Jews.)
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To: meyer

OOps - my mistake - it’s not a .org site, but a .gov site. I had read yesterday that it was .org.


52 posted on 08/06/2009 7:18:56 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1938 all over again - the democrats are the new NAZIs and conservatives are the new Jews.)
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To: mware

SHEESH,

Obviously this guy is a paid protester!

JUST LOOK AT HOW HE IS DRESSED!


53 posted on 08/06/2009 7:23:29 AM PDT by Dryman (Now, Back to Lurking)
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To: Dryman
LOL.

Here is an optional line.

I GOT MY OUTFIT FROM LL BEAN.

I am not a mob

Go ahead report me to flag@whitehouse.gov

54 posted on 08/06/2009 7:26:40 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It will not be permanent long. Only kong enough for his deciples to kill them.


55 posted on 08/06/2009 7:28:38 AM PDT by sport
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To: CodeToad

There needs to be a lawsuit filed to fight this. Where is Judicial Watch? The ACLU? Are they all scared?


56 posted on 08/06/2009 7:44:47 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Mrs. Don-o

On Monday, White House director of new media Macon Phillips posted a note on the White House web site complaining of “disinformation about health insurance reform.” “These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation,” Phillips wrote. “Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.”

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Ohhhh, thanks for posting this - I wondered whose brainy idea it was.


57 posted on 08/06/2009 7:45:55 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Jeff Head; nutmeg; MeekOneGOP

BTTT


58 posted on 08/06/2009 7:47:05 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Domestic Spying

Will the First Amendment hypocrites pleas come out from hiding under that bush.......that George Bush?

We are about to see wheteher or not Leahy, Durbin, et al are poseurs or serious about protecting cictizens from domestic spying

59 posted on 08/06/2009 7:49:28 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Mrs. Don-o

60 posted on 08/06/2009 7:50:15 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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