Posted on 08/09/2009 10:35:59 AM PDT by Jeff Head
Well what I want to know today is why isn’t Ted Kennedy or one of the kiddos personally requesting Eunice Shriver be given the needle immediately. It would be so symbolic. Show you can walk the walk f’ers. Put the old lady down. What? Not until the last medical option is exhausted? Wait, what?
This ought to be front center on any debate.
Jeff...Got to admire your patience with trolls.
I guess because I'm so much older than you, I don't have enough left to share with obamabot trolls whose only purpose here is to support their master.
How about posting the Figure from EJE's screed. Can't argue too effectively over verbiage with that.
It is a clear and striking mnemonic for the abhorent philosophical foundation for the WH's 'death panel' strategy:
This graphic is worth ten-thousand words!
I’ve noticed a change in the last few days where some of those who say that the bill doesn’t have mandatory requirements where they are now saying that the final bill hasn’t even been written now so these things should not be discussed at all — not until such time as a bill is passed should this be brought back to the table.
In the meantime, we need to get back to business as usual and let the good old boys enjoy their vacation.
That's not even in this bill. What is in the bill is the top of a precipitously steep slope, the bottom of which is called Madatory Euthanasia.
Everything is an “order”.
And what if the “practitioner” doesn’t sign the “order for life sustaining treatment”?
Can you get a second opinion? Maybe from Fidel?
[Mr] T
Both links have gone dead.
We take care of my 84 year old Mom who developed some pretty severe dimensia after my Dad died. I sware before God and angels that I will not alow them to cut her off before the good Lord calls her home.
Both working for me fom Idaho. The good one in the thread (1st) and the 2nd in post 2 or 3.
We're already halfway there - Healthcare today is not about curing anything; its about prescribing drugs that will mask your symptoms while you go about the business of dying.
The test is do they work after clearing your cache!
Exactly! Of course end of life decisions are being made every day across America now - between families and the patient and their DOCTORS. Living wills are required by most hospitals now.
But that said, there is NO, NOne NADA justification for the federal government to be involved, to write about, to have any say so in such decision making.
THAT is the issue. Why is this even in this bill at all?????
great stuff there, thank you
My God. Since when does anyone other than myself and my doctor have a say in any medical decision? (I know some say insurance companies do, not part of this discussion)
I am 55 now. WHen the day comes that someone says I shall have one of these consultations, I will tell them they can go straight to hell.
Let them deny medical coverage because of my refusal to be a part of this, let them impose fines or whatever the hell else they will try to do—the squeaky wheels will get the grease.
Rahm’s brother has never practiced a day in his life. An oncologist by training. But he must not have been able to make it as a doer so he became a thinker and he thinks the rest of the world gives a damn. He is an ethicist. A philosopher. He has no clue what real life is like when people are fighting for their lives. People like him are dangerous.
Thank you so very much for your encouragements, dearest sister in Christ!
Also, it should be noted that the section only counsels for the benefits of dying early - it doesn't suggest counseling on the pro/con of various options like the family would with their doctor.
Thank you so much for your encouragements!
You have been around here far too long to fall for this congressional crap. I take it based on your tinfoil hat comeback that you are all for the congressional health care, oops, the end of health insurance as we know it plan, and that you buy into the plan hook line and sinker, that to add the quote 47, or 50 million people to government health care, excuse me insurance reform, isn’t going to cost us a dime more, and is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, “so to speak”.
Here is my bottom line as an example: I owe my life to the present system, developed over a couple of centuries. That system gave me what I needed when I needed it and my present health insurance was able to cover a great deal of the 80,000 dollars it took to extend my life six years so far.
Senator Tim Johnson, owes his life to that same system, Senator Ted Kennedy also, and I’m betting a number of other Senators and Congressmen. Now those who have so benefited, are willing to throw our system to the dogs, and do a complete makeover, as long as the system they enjoy, remains the same. Somehow that strikes me as a bit of a stretch, in the name of what, Reform, or a power grab.
If there was no rush, and a willingness for test case, test run, and sunset clause on the test, maybe, but the bums rush to get this done, without a sunset to avoid a disaster, I see this as nothing more than an orchestrated power grab the likes of which we have never seen before. The beneficiaries appear to be government, and the new bureaucracies to run the plan all based on the false premise that the present system is broken. There is no proof what so ever that statement is based in fact. Not where my health care is evidence.
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