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Journo Asks Why Can't 'Progressives' Win?
Publius Forum ^ | 08/10/09 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 08/10/2009 10:57:28 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

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To: Mobile Vulgus

Liberalism is a little bit like a cult. Heavily based on feel good emotionalism sheeple liberals are so beholden to their limited and often naive perceptions washed in the juice of sugary highs. They can’t debate because there is little logic involved so they crumble when their ideology is tested. Leftist leaders apply their devious principles of marxism/alinsky, etc.....heads of the snakes!


21 posted on 08/10/2009 11:12:05 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
"The L.A.Times' Dan Neil is confused. He thinks that the so-called progressive movement is right on all the issues, "

Well, if you start with a false premise, then the conclusion is always wrong.

22 posted on 08/10/2009 11:12:17 AM PDT by avacado
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To: a fool in paradise

But the paid hacks of the GOP conservatives play by the liberal rules and never mention all the past sillyness of liberalism.


23 posted on 08/10/2009 11:12:25 AM PDT by junta (Conservatives, the word "racism" is now ours.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

If leftists told the truth about their policies, their beliefs, or their goals,

they’d get 10% of the vote.

They are simply “know better” elitists that are arrogant enough to think they can make your decisions for you better than you can.

This is why they “can’t win” in a fair discussion. Either it’s obvious that they’re lying, or their agenda is unpalatable.


24 posted on 08/10/2009 11:12:51 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Who is this idiot? He says the “progressives’ have been too nice? His so-called “tolerant” progressives are the most intolerant folks around. And, to answer his question as to why they are not winning the debate? That’s an easy question to answer: They wrap themselves in emotion rather than logic and reason, so their argument is doomed from the start.


25 posted on 08/10/2009 11:13:29 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: HIDEK6

His English majors show up unarmed for a war of words.


26 posted on 08/10/2009 11:13:39 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“Liberals and “progressives” can’t tell the truth.”

It’s not that they can’t tell the truth. It’s that they don’t dare for fear of being found out. What they want is to take power from the many and give it to a few by confiscating the wealth of some and using it to buy the votes of others. Since they know that the many don’t want to be powerless and that the rich don’t want to be poor, they have no choice but to disguise their intentions.


27 posted on 08/10/2009 11:15:06 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: Mobile Vulgus

show how much of a thick elitist idiot he is.

the left play nice, etc

ARF

they act like the NAZIS party , rat mail
sending out paid thugs
talking about hitting back twice as hard
dropping charges v the black racists in Philly

the Dem party is nothing but a party of elitist and if you left wing trolls do not think so then look at where your base of support comes from

rich men like soros
the north east and parts of the west coast

you lefty trolls are nothing but snotty nosed elitist sheep,you think driving a hybrid and diversity is cool but you live in a mostly white area in a big house thus more pollution
you like designer shopping malls like saks but think nothing of the trees you cut down for your malls
you pay silly prices at starbucks but then say give to the poor
the north east does not give as much as the south in charity but you preach about Africa
you think it is cool for a chinese kid to be bought but you foget about the inner city kids in this country

to you snobby elitist lefty sheep everything you do is about status and yet you fail to see the hypocrisy

westchester county NY is a prime example of a Dem area

you don’t stand for the working man or women you put people into groups so they can compete against each other
you say to blacks they are too dumb to get a job based on brains so you say give them a job based on color thought a racist programmes named affirmative action

you make me sick

you get in peoples faces who cannot fight back but complain if someone does fight back you want to press charges


28 posted on 08/10/2009 11:15:36 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman -- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

link provided does not work.


29 posted on 08/10/2009 11:18:35 AM PDT by Fishtalk (If you're a Freeper and have a Blog Freepmail me with the link. I'll do you if you do me.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
In terms of socio-economic policy and political organization, "Progressives" are currently dominant, all denials to the contrary. When one of their number complains, irrespective of their victories, about a lack of "progress" he or she is really admitting to the ideological rigidity of Utopianism.

An essential belief of the Progressive religion is in the perfectibility of Man and in the agency of the State to bring about that end. Because neither people nor governments are perfect or capable of perfection, Progressives will always be unhappy, blaming not their own unreasoning ideology but other people for failing to meet an unachievable standard. The inevitable result is physical force or its implied threat, multiplied until people will stand it no longer.

It is clearly not necessary to be an English major to fall prey to such a miserable ideology, but it equally appears to be of some assistance. I postulate this is so because certain academics confuse the malleability of words with that of their fellow human beings.

30 posted on 08/10/2009 11:18:45 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

here’s what they do not understand and the left say this always

they say well I have a college degree yet the right never boasts about it as the right knows it does not make one better than someone else

the left say well they are educated but any donkey can go to college for 4 years and party

the left say they know more because they went to school but forget that they have no common sense

when they find people do not agree they are stunned and ask why tehn say er er er

why do they do this
easy
because a bumper sticker has not give them the talking points for it

the left are truly dumb and this election showed it.
how many times did we ask them by what they mean by change and they say er er er

ask about bozo to them and all they say is he wants change


31 posted on 08/10/2009 11:20:21 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman -- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Neil laments that they have all the "English majors" on their side but cannot win "any war of words."

It's worse than that, Neil.

Not only are you more articulate (to accept your argument), but you also control the media of the message, stifle arguments on the other side, dismiss them en masse as the lunatic fringe, and still can't seem to convince anyone of the merits of your side.

You're a self-proclaimed smart guy, Neil. What does that indicate to you, brain-trust?

32 posted on 08/10/2009 11:23:47 AM PDT by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
it's time for the "progressives" to take off the gloves and fight dirty

Oh. What a novel approach.

33 posted on 08/10/2009 11:23:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Just let me make one last run to the gun store before they take off the gloves...ok?


34 posted on 08/10/2009 11:25:23 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

It’s very simple...
1. because their ideas have been proven over and over again that they don’t work
2. they haven’t managed, yet, to control the flow of information so that people are kept ignorant of that fact... but they’re trying. Next will be an assault on free speech.


35 posted on 08/10/2009 11:27:36 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Mobile Vulgus

We conservatives are realists. We look at a situation and we know instinctively what will work and what won’t. We are much more in tune with human nature.

Liberals just want change, and that wonderful, fashionable (/s!) concept known as “progress”. However just any change for the sake of change won’t work. Libs always shoot for some pie in the sky and in the process completely ignore human nature.


36 posted on 08/10/2009 11:30:29 AM PDT by bergmeid
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Neil laments that they have all the "English majors" on their side but cannot win "any war of words."

I was expecting more English major jokes by now.

In the few English courses I took in college (I was an engineering major), I realized that the grades were all subjective. An old book written by a "dead white male" could be interpreted a lot of ways, especially when the author isn't there to give his say. Want to get a good grade? Just repeat what your professor says about the book.

English major aren't used to backing up their arguments with facts, like mathematical theories or laws of physics.

37 posted on 08/10/2009 11:33:58 AM PDT by JeffChrz (Atlas will shrug.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

They always were and always will be on the wrong side of history. It makes our job all the more difficult.


39 posted on 08/10/2009 11:37:42 AM PDT by Rickcbw
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To: aquila48

People that THINK they are smart are the problem. This whole Obama group sounds like a dormitory BS session where all of the world problems are readily settled by a group that has never accomplished anything.

This is a raid on the American treasury plain and simple.


40 posted on 08/10/2009 11:41:05 AM PDT by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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