H1N1 Pandemic - Government Conference Agenda (yikes)

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[justsaynomore]

Here is a link to a swine/h1n1 flu conference in D.C. they are having next week.

http://new-fields.com/ISFC/agenda.php

Here is a link to the brochure for the conference.

http://new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdf

Breakout session #2 "unwillingness to follow government orders"

Breakout session #6 "control and diffuse social unrest and public disorder" "isolate prisons & other facilities"

Breakout session #7 "effectively undertake mass vaccinations" "enforce quarantines"

Breakout session #8 "control traffic, evacuation & mass transportation"

[justsaynomore]

While this is on a backburner for most folks right now, I think it is prudent to consider the "what ifs" and pay some attention to what government is planning. Especially THIS administration.

I'm normally typically pretty trusting of local authorities and military and for the most part don't think they will infringe on constitutional rights. However, having said that, I also never would have expected local government, public health, doctors and schools to defer all judgment and decisions to the CDC like they have been doing.

While there are good worker bees doing science at the CDC, the organization at the top level is very political- and liberal. They are working hand in hand with HHS and DHS. The leaders of the organizations handling these decisions are not pro-life or individual rights and some say there are some in charge who favor a depopulating event. They also defer to the WHO, run by communist Margaret Chan, who does NOT have our best interests at heart.

Decisions being made right now, for this approaching pandemic are being made on the basis of global factors and economics, NOT individual rights. I feel if this crisis manifests, with the powers granted to govt, it would also provide ample opportunity to control and make power grabs. No matter what you think about swine flu, no matter if you think it is bad or will be nothing, please don't miss what the government is doing/planning.

The plans for schools alone right now, basically will put our children, school nurses, teachers on the front lines of a pandemic. Every few weeks they are changing recommendations which give our kids LESS protection. Why would they do that?

So if it fizzles out, no worries. But if it doesn't? Things to think about. Just add it to the long list of things to be concerned about right now with our idiotic and corrupt government :(

ALSO, if this thing takes off, I believe Obama will try and ram the healthcare through (Oct) while everyone else is preoccupied/looking the other way.

[Judith Anne]

I’m trying to remember who has the ping list, so everyone can see your post.

Joe, do you have it? Blam? Neverdem? Can one of you forward this to the right person?

[jcsjcm]

This sounds extremely fishy to me. Doesn’t it sound like they are going to make it seem like there is a pandemic and then take away all opposition under the rue of they are a threat to your health??? Concentration camps anyone? I’d like to hear more about this.

The hairs on the back of my neck are up and I’m watching carefully.

[Smokin' Joe]

Ping... (thanks, Judith Anne!)

[Amityschild]

Found this story about New-Fields, the organization responsible for this exhibition http://www.storiesthatmatter.org/20090701162/NSNS-Stories/unlicensed-new-fields-exhibitions-claims-to-provide-clients-easy-access-in-iraq.html

[justsaynomore]

Yes, thanks for that additional info. The organization putting this on is as scary as the information they will be providing!

The question is, who attends? Virologists and scientists sure aren’t the ones handling quarantines and crowd control.

[dagogo redux]

From an email I received last week.

"They will likely come for our guns before much longer, and I believe that is the moment of action. They know this, and they will take advantage of some crisis concerning Homeland Security (increasingly broadly defined, you'll notice) - either an unexpected crisis or one they facilitated or covertly manufactured. They will use this "crisis" to declare martial law, to disrupt and control our communications and transportation, and to confiscate our guns. Fewer and fewer people trust the government or the media to talk to us truthfully any more or with our best interests in mind, and a great many of us will see through the “news” we are told and the justifications offered for martial law and gun confiscation."

The government Blitzkrieg speeds towards us, I'm afraid. An end run around the Maginot Line of our Constitution is in the works.

[Myrddin]

It's not back burner at all. Just "under the radar" with all the noisier "news makers". Steve Quayle was sharing his concerns on Coast To Coast last night. He sees pregnant women and children targeted to wipe out the next generation using the 3 stage flu vaccines as stealth population control. There are already laws in place to cede control to the WHO in the event of a "pandemic". Forced vaccinations are part of that program. The army is recuiting for "internment" specialists to deal with those who won't go along with the program. The move to disarm us with international treaties is also moving along. There are entirely too many events converging on a martial law scenario to ignore the possibilities.

[AzSteven]

Well, most all of the steps you would take to deal with a real epidemic would also be similar to the steps you might take to neutralize and silence overwhelming opposition to your political agenda.

Kind of a hard choice here - I would prefer we actually have a plan in place to deal with a real epidemic should it arise, but I am none too thrilled with The Chosen One beingin control of the buttons to initiate the plan at will.

[DoughtyOne]

This is precisely what a police state would use to clamp down on the public’s right to free passage. People who have been fomenting terror over the H1N1 Influenza A have been doing the devil’s work. I hope they are happy.

Great job folks. This guy Obama would be more than happy to capitalize on the groundwork you have formed.

[Steve_Seattle]

I work for the City of Seattle, and our department - for the first time ever, as far as I know - has begun a drill to emulate what would happen if large numbers of department employees were away from work due to a pandemic. So they’ve compiled a list of employees who we pretend aren’t here, even though they’re here, to try to get an idea of how the department would function if greatly understaffed. Now this is the first time that I’m getting a bit paranoid about this pandemic issue - it’s as if the government thinks it’s a sure thing, and will have massive impact.

[justsaynomore]

I agree! The person who has his hands on the controls makes all the difference. No matter if you believe the crisis is real or manufactured (personally, having followed these things for years, and seen a lot of "false alarms", I happen to believe this is the real thing), it is what is PERCEIVED that will open doors. Even a perception of a crisis could cause folks to surrender rights they wouldn't ordinarily. Here's the thing that gets to me. We have known there is at least a possibility of a severe pandemic since April. So, given that, why didn't our government tell people to use the spring and summer to stock up on some things in case of school and business closures? I mean, really, what is the harm in telling people this??? Worst case scenario, nothing happens and people have a few extra things in their pantry (not bad given everything else that is going on). If people are prepared, there is less need of martial law because people CAN stay at home for a few weeks. I'll tell you what I think. I think they don't want people prepared. UNPREPARED PEOPLE ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE GOVERNMENT. That's how the left likes it, right? The way the government have left things, what they haven't said, the news blackout has guaranteed this - if this thing blows up, most folks won't have more than a day or two of food. If they are told to stay home they WILL have a problem that will require military force. It is almost as if everything is being set up just for this scenario. It would have been an avoidable scenario in most places, given that folks had nearly 6 months to stock up at least something. Many feel the whole thing is a manufactured crisis, and given the current climate, I can see why. But something to think about. If the government is manufacturing the crisis, why are they the ones constantly putting out the "mild", "seasonal flu is worse" and "there will be a vaccine" meme? THEY are playing it down constantly. THAT is fishy to me. When this government tells me to look one direction, I feel I better be looking the other. I could post pages why I believe our government is playing down the crisis because they want to catch us off guard. I believe we are on the verge of watching a genocide take place within our own borders, and all in the name of economy. But bet your booties the government has their stockpile and Tamiflu. Tinfoil off (for now).

[justsaynomore]

I'm posting this again because I forgot paragraphs (hard on the eyes)

I agree! The person who has his hands on the controls makes all the difference. No matter if you believe the crisis is real or manufactured (personally, having followed these things for years, and seen a lot of "false alarms", I happen to believe this is the real thing), it is what is PERCEIVED that will open doors. Even a perception of a crisis could cause folks to surrender rights they wouldn't ordinarily.

Here's the thing that gets to me. We have known there is at least a possibility of a severe pandemic since April. So, given that, why didn't our government tell people to use the spring and summer to stock up on some things in case of school and business closures? I mean, really, what is the harm in telling people this???

Worst case scenario, nothing happens and people have a few extra things in their pantry (not bad given everything else that is going on). If people are prepared, there is less need of martial law because people CAN stay at home for a few weeks.

I'll tell you what I think. I think they don't want people prepared. UNPREPARED PEOPLE ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE GOVERNMENT. That's how the left likes it, right?

The way the government have left things, what they haven't said, the news blackout has guaranteed this - if this thing blows up, most folks won't have more than a day or two of food. If they are told to stay home they WILL have a problem that will require military force.

It is almost as if everything is being set up just for this scenario. It would have been an avoidable scenario in most places, given that folks had nearly 6 months to stock up at least something.

Many feel the whole thing is a manufactured crisis, and given the current climate, I can see why. But something to think about: if the government is manufacturing the crisis, why are they the ones constantly putting out the "mild", "seasonal flu is worse" and "there will be a vaccine" meme? THEY are playing it down constantly. THAT is fishy to me.

When this government tells me to look one direction, I feel I better be looking the other. I could post pages why I believe our government is playing down the crisis because they want to catch us off guard. I believe we are on the verge of watching a genocide take place within our own borders, and all in the name of economy. But bet your booties the government has their stockpile and Tamiflu.

Tinfoil off (for now).

[sergeantdave]

Keep reading, people -

Preliminary Injunction to Halt Mandatory Flu Vaccination in the U.S. Has Been Issued

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2313464/posts

[aegiscg47]

The only problem with many of these scenarios is that they don't take into account how many members of the armed forces would rebel or desert. Every contingency scenario assumes that they would just go along with setting up camps, roadblocks, shooting civilians etc., but I'm not sure that's the case.

[neverdem]

I just have a small microbiology list that includes Smokin’ Joe who has more of a dedicated epidemic/pandemic list, IMHO. Thanks for the ping. Something like this gets my general circulation lists.

[justsaynomore]

Thanks for the link. Here’s another important related story:

Using New Laws for Swine Flu
Designed for Much Deadlier Disease, May Create a Perfect Storm
August 10, 2009 By Meryl Nass, MD
Source: BlogSpot

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1. The US government is using laws designed for dealing with a very deadly pandemic or bioterrorism to bring in a mass vaccination program for swine flu, specifically the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act of 2006.

http://www.hhs.gov/disasters/emergency/manmadedisasters/bioterorism/medication-vaccine-qa.html

2. This law removes liability from the manufacturer, medical practitioners who use the product, and from “government program planners” who decided on using the law. A suit can only be brought if the DHHS Secretary allows it, and if there is willful misconduct on the part of the manufacturer.

This law has been invoked for swine flu drugs (tamiflu and relenza)

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-14412.pdf

for swine flu vaccines, and for novel vaccine adjuvants (which may be used in vaccines to stretch the supply and possibly convey broader immunity)

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-14948.pdf

3. If testing of these products is very limited, then the manufacturers are unlikely to become aware of their flaws, and specifically their adverse effects. Then there can be no willful misconduct.

4. Due to the fear that swine flu will cause a large outbreak once students return to schools, where the virus might rapidly spread, the US government has stated that vaccine is likely to be available, and used, before clinical trials are completed.

WHO says vaccine will be ready in September. Novartis began testing in humans in late July, and Sanofi-Aventis and Glaxo-Smith Kline are starting now.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i-Qd-q3ALSGUV0tZqwFVoy1GlGfQD99TEJN81

The Europeans are also planning for use before testing is completed, despite warnings by experts about the potential dangers of untested vaccines.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iCajXBnuqbQEUf_cH4_dblpysz_gD99MCRJO1

5. The adjuvants likely to be used to strengthen vaccines and stretch the supply are named MF59 (Novartis) and ASO3 (Glaxo Smith-Kline). Only 3 vaccines using this type of adjuvant (oil-in-water, a.k.a. squalene-containing) have been licensed in Europe, and none have been given a license in the US. Two vaccines using these adjuvants are only used in people above the age of 65 (Fluad-MF59), and those with serious kidney disease (Fendrix-ASO4). Both advanced age and kidney failure weaken the immune system, so more powerful vaccines are needed, but in this population autoimmunity is unlikely to result from powerful immune stimulation. Cervarix is the third European vaccine (using adjuvant ASO4 against HPV) and its safety is controversial.

6. The then-Acting DHHS Secretary issued an Emergency Declaration in response to the swine flu epidemic on April 26, 2009. This allows use of unapproved (unlicensed) medical treatments and tests, or use of approved treatments for unapproved uses.

According to the Congressional Research Service, on April 27, 2009, the Food and Drug Administration issued four Emergency Use Authorizations in response to requests from the CDC to make available certain drugs, diagnostic tests and respiratory protection devices.

http://opencrs.com/document/R40560/

7. Vaccines containing MF59 and ASO3 have not had Emergency Use Authorizations issued for them—yet. However, the government has purchased $698 million dollars’ worth of these adjuvants in recent weeks.

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2009pres/07/20090713b.html

https://www.medicalcountermeasures.gov/BARDA/MCM/panflu/factsheet.aspx

US and WHO officials have indicated the likelihood of their use, which is the only way to achieve adequate amounts of vaccine for the US and world population in the fall.

8. These vaccines have never been demonstrated to be safe in children, pregnant women or young adults. They have not undergone comprehensive testing; for example, MF59 has not and will not be tested for carcinogenicity by the manufacturer.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/NewsEvents/WorkshopsMeetingsConferences/ucm095708.pdf
See page 391 re MF59 carcinogenicity testing, according to a Novartis scientist.

9. The result of the new bioterrorism laws (passed with the expectation of use for much more dangerous epidemics than the current swine flu), which allow use of untested products AND give manufacturers an incentive to avoid comprehensive testing (to avoid being found guilty of willful misconduct) have combined with the political imperative to provide citizens vaccines in a hurry, yielding a Perfect Storm.

In the 1976 swine flu vaccine program, 40 million people were vaccinated with an inadequately tested vaccine. The government gave the vaccine manufacturers immunity from liability, but created an alternative compensation program. Five thousand people sought benefits for vaccine injuries.

Today, untested vaccines with novel adjuvants that are likely to cause more autoimmune illness than occurred in 1976 will almost certainly be used. The manufacturers have been given liability, as have the government program planners. But no compensation mechanism has been created. And the public has not been informed.

[Judith Anne]

Thanks, I wasn’t sure. I just notice that I see your remarks on the threads, and they’re well informed. :-D

[justsaynomore]

Maybe that’s when the civilian corps will step in KWIM?

Who knows, really? I do trust our local authorities, but I also know based on news I’ve been reading for the past 5 months - they are deferring to the federal govt on everything pandemic-related! They are repeating every talking point, almost verbatim, the CDC puts out.

[neverdem]

They also defer to the WHO, run by communist Margaret Chan, who does NOT have our best interests at heart.

Feel Safe Letting Margaret Chan Watch for Pandemics?

I don't know if she is a communist per se. She was promoted by the Chicoms to be the boss at WHO.