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Palin Firestorm Brings Fresh Scrutiny to ObamaCare "Death Panels"
Lifesite News ^ | August 11, 2009 | Peter J. Smith

Posted on 08/12/2009 5:47:25 AM PDT by rhema

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To: rhema
The "Death Panel" is there, but not where this article states. The House bill calls for the creation of a "Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission" to decide what medicine and treatments the government will allow patients to receive, and will allow to be paid for by "private" insurance, based on their being "effective," depending on whether the patient is deemed worth it because of age, potential productivity, health, and other factors. It mandates the creation of a commission like the UK's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, or NICE, which assigns a value to a life based on age, existing conditions, etc. If a procedure or treatment exceeds that price, you don't get the medicine, treatment or procedure.

This is outlined in Title IV of the House bill, HR 3200:

TITLE IV—QUALITY 11 Subtitle A—Comparative Effectiveness Research SEC. 1401. COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) IN GENERAL.—title XI of the Social Security Act is amended by adding at the end the following new part: ‘‘PART D—COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘SEC. 1181. (a) CENTER FOR COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ESTABLISHED.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall establish within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research (in this section referred to as the ‘Center’) to conduct, support, and synthesize research (including research conducted or supported under section 1013... 1 of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003) with respect to the outcomes, effectiveness, and appropriateness of health care services and procedures in order to identify the manner in which diseases, disorders, and other health conditions can most effectively and appropriately be prevented, diagnosed, treated, and managed clinically...

It goes on for a long time, but this is the gist of it, if anyone wants to read it.

21 posted on 08/12/2009 6:23:10 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: rhema
The "Death Panel" is there, but not where this article states. The House bill calls for the creation of a "Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission" to decide what medicine and treatments the government will allow patients to receive, and will allow to be paid for by "private" insurance, based on their being "effective," depending on whether the patient is deemed worth it because of age, potential productivity, health, and other factors. It mandates the creation of a commission like the UK's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, or NICE, which assigns a value to a life based on age, existing conditions, etc. If a procedure or treatment exceeds that price, you don't get the medicine, treatment or procedure.

This is outlined in Title IV of the House bill, HR 3200:

TITLE IV—QUALITY 11 Subtitle A—Comparative Effectiveness Research SEC. 1401. COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) IN GENERAL.—title XI of the Social Security Act is amended by adding at the end the following new part: ‘‘PART D—COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘SEC. 1181. (a) CENTER FOR COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ESTABLISHED.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall establish within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research (in this section referred to as the ‘Center’) to conduct, support, and synthesize research (including research conducted or supported under section 1013... 1 of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003) with respect to the outcomes, effectiveness, and appropriateness of health care services and procedures in order to identify the manner in which diseases, disorders, and other health conditions can most effectively and appropriately be prevented, diagnosed, treated, and managed clinically...

It goes on for a long time, but this is the gist of it, if anyone wants to read it.

22 posted on 08/12/2009 6:23:15 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Redleg Duke

But the Wannasee Protocols were ambigious at best. Only when the death camps in the East came to light did the Wannasee Proctols become “understandable.”


23 posted on 08/12/2009 6:26:59 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Condor51
Right on!

The primary point of the Health Plan is that benefits will have to be rationed and a board will be established to accomplish that.

Ezekiel Emanuel's own words have described precisely what must happen when healthcare is allocated/rationed by the state...

"those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic."

"Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."

"A less obvious example Is is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason."**

When rationing is accomplished by the state, not by families desires to support their love ones, the rule for allocation will to the fittest first (as determined by the state) and to the less fit (again determined by the state) if anything remains.

Not only is there massive opportunity for political meddling (imagine "pay for play" injected into healthcare) but the biases of the party in power will bleed into the life and death decisions affecting the citizens.

That means that the "boards" will be "life panels" for those they favor and "death panels" for those they don't.

** Where Civic Republicanism and Deliberative Democracy Meet, Ezekiel J. Emanuel The Hastings Center pages 3-4

24 posted on 08/12/2009 6:30:09 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies ("Wherever politics tries...to do the work of God, it becomes...demonic." — Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Condor51
Right on!

The primary point of the Health Plan is that benefits will have to be rationed and a board will be established to accomplish that.

Ezekiel Emanuel's own words have described precisely what must happen when healthcare is allocated/rationed by the state...

"those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic."

"Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."

"A less obvious example Is is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason."**

When rationing is accomplished by the state, not by families desires to support their love ones, the rule for allocation will to the fittest first (as determined by the state) and to the less fit (again determined by the state) if anything remains.

Not only is there massive opportunity for political meddling (imagine "pay for play" injected into healthcare) but the biases of the party in power will bleed into the life and death decisions affecting the citizens.

That means that the "boards" will be "life panels" for those they favor and "death panels" for those they don't.

** Where Civic Republicanism and Deliberative Democracy Meet, Ezekiel J. Emanuel The Hastings Center pages 3-4

25 posted on 08/12/2009 6:30:16 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies ("Wherever politics tries...to do the work of God, it becomes...demonic." — Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: DBrow

bookmark


26 posted on 08/12/2009 6:32:57 AM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: Condor51

Unfortunately for citizens of Nazi Germany, Hitler made sure his opponents were crushed, vanquished or sent into exile. If there was anybody like Sarah Palin in Nazi Germany, she would have been soon exposed by an informer or by her own public proclamations, expeditiously sent to a concentration camp to languish or liquidated ASAP.

The only reason Sarah can carry so much weight with the American people now is NOT because of the beneficence of the American government or the Messiah but because of the Constitution that supersedes it which allows Sarah the opportunity to speak her mind as a free citizen without the threat of imprisonment or liquidation.

If Obama, the Far Left and its Marxist agenda is defeated, we owe it to the wisdom of the Founding Fathers who established a framework in which Americans could regain their freedom without resorting to violence and without the threat of totalitarian government suppression.


27 posted on 08/12/2009 6:35:23 AM PDT by techno
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To: Redleg Duke
Actually, there were the Wannasee Protocols.
I read that link. If you'll note Hitler or Himmler wasn't there and aren't mentioned. Even Himmler's right hand man Heydrich isn't listed as an attendee just what the Reich Marshal (Himmler) appointed him to do.

Hitler and Himmler had 'plausible deniability', or so they thought.

28 posted on 08/12/2009 6:37:53 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: rhema

SARAH!


29 posted on 08/12/2009 6:42:56 AM PDT by onedoug (SARAH!)
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To: carton253

Sort of reminds you of Obamacare, doesn’t it!


30 posted on 08/12/2009 6:52:25 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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31 posted on 08/12/2009 7:22:10 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: rhema
Obama regularly expresses amazement that anyone could possibly think he has evil motives about any of this, yet he closely associates with folks who do.

For example, there's Bill Ayers (and his ex-convict wife) the mad bomber. Guy is unrepenetant about his attempts to murder people with bombs, or actually murdering his girlfriend and homosexual lover simultaneously with a faulty bomb design.

Then there's Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel who is an advocate for forced euthenasia, forced infanticide, torture of the helpless elderly and so on.

Frankly, there's no reason whatsoever to TRUST Obama with affairs of state or government power. He really does seem to be the sort of person the Bill of Rights was designed to protect us against.

32 posted on 08/12/2009 7:30:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Condor51
'Death Camps for undesirables', responded Herr Hitler, 'utterly preposterous'!

As he raised his eyebrows and gave Herr Himmler a "meaningful glance" and an ever-so-slight smile.

33 posted on 08/12/2009 8:55:04 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Atom Smasher

She brought publicity to this that no one else had, and I do commend her for that. This is something that she can do very well. Now it would be great for her to make an impassioned speech against the abortion advocacy being put forth by Obama under the guise of health care.


34 posted on 08/12/2009 9:21:02 AM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: La Lydia
The "Death Panel" is there, but not where this article states. The House bill calls for the creation of a "Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission" to decide what medicine and treatments the government will allow patients to receive, and will allow to be paid for by "private" insurance, based on their being "effective," depending on whether the patient is deemed worth it because of age, potential productivity, health, and other factors. It mandates the creation of a commission like the UK's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, or NICE, which assigns a value to a life based on age, existing conditions, etc. If a procedure or treatment exceeds that price, you don't get the medicine, treatment or procedure. This is outlined in Title IV of the House bill, HR 3200:

TITLE IV—QUALITY 11 Subtitle A—Comparative Effectiveness Research SEC. 1401. COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) IN GENERAL.—title XI of the Social Security Act is amended by adding at the end the following new part: ‘‘PART D—COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘SEC. 1181. (a) CENTER FOR COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ESTABLISHED.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall establish within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research (in this section referred to as the ‘Center’) to conduct, support, and synthesize research (including research conducted or supported under section 1013... 1 of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003) with respect to the outcomes, effectiveness, and appropriateness of health care services and procedures in order to identify the manner in which diseases, disorders, and other health conditions can most effectively and appropriately be prevented, diagnosed, treated, and managed clinically...

It goes on for a long time, but this is the gist of it, if anyone wants to read it.

Good catch.

35 posted on 08/12/2009 9:24:57 AM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Agreed!


36 posted on 08/12/2009 10:36:28 AM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: Ulysse

Even for active working people it will be cheap cares at high costs

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Yes - what’s sad, is even when you are in your 20s-30s & you get a life threatening illness, the “death panel” won’t give you what you need to sustain life...so really, we’re ALL in a world of sh%t if this bill passes.


37 posted on 08/12/2009 10:40:26 AM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: TheFourthMagi

Well stated!


38 posted on 08/12/2009 10:45:32 AM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: rhema
Pinged from Terri Dailies


39 posted on 08/12/2009 4:24:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: rhema

I love Sarah Palin, everything will be runnin’ and out she steps from the shadows, says something truthful and valuable and heads explode everywhere. It’s great.

If it wasn’t so serious, it could be fun but she certainly is a breath of much needed fresh air. And where are our other GOP “representatives”?? Nary a peep, what cowardly, pathetic losers and that’s what we’ll be working at: them losing.


40 posted on 08/12/2009 5:19:35 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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