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Return to the Real Mass Murderer Known as John Doe #2, Tim McVeigh/Terry Nichols were dupes
French 6th Division Judicial Police ^ | 08/14/09 | TomTGradeczek

Posted on 08/14/2009 8:51:58 PM PDT by TomTGradeczek

I'd like to thank PeaceBeWithYou for adding my book to the thread about John Doe #2, and the Hoffman book about the Oklahoma City Bombing. The only concern I have is that PBWY thought perhaps the Midwest accent I referred to in my book was Chicagoan. Sorry PBWY, think more like Decker, Michigan or Flint, Michigan. Good question about the American servicemen's cemetery in Reims, France, Interpol is wondering about the same thing.

But here is the post from PBWY, which I will use to head up my own post. Sorry it took me so long to reply to the original thread, but I was concerned enough about gays in the military that I spent some time contacting former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen'l Pace (an outspoken man if there ever was one), and then medical events slowed me down (we all get old eventually). But now I am back and you'll notice part of my thread further down, refers to just about the time that PBWY, posted the reply about my book.

To: All

Excerpt from Waiting for John Doe #2 by Tom T. Gradeczek.

Checkout the discription given for JD2 bottom third of page...an American, with a Midwest American accent(Chicago?), 21-26 years of age (in 1995)(would be 28-33 now), approximately 5 feet nine or ten inches tall weighing between 175 and 190 pounds. The suspect was very muscular, with bushy eyebrows and hair which was naturally very dark or black (like Hispanic or Native American hair). He traveled with a US Passport and used a Hispanic-American name. The suspect had very prominent, full lips and he walked with an athletic gait and longish strides for a person only 5 feet nine or ten inches tall....see link for continuation.

I'm also curious about the WWII cemetary visit in Reims France.

Sounds like an interesting book, will have to see if a local library has a copy.($150.00 is a little steep;-)) 134 posted on 06/15/2002 7:52:11 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou

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Now to my thread, a response from the author Tom T Gradeczek, Let's string up these murderers the way our dad's strung up the NAZI bastards with Nuremburg Trials after WW2.

I would like to thank whoever it was that dug up the information about my book. Since I was circulating the book with agents and publishers, I set the price of the book purposely high. I couldn't allow it to be said that I was restraining the availability of the book, lest I lose control of my own work.

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Since there were copies at the Library of Congress (4 copies actually, the 2 original copyright copies plus the 2 additional "update" copies, I knew it was possible to get a copy if it was important to anyone. It turned out to be quite important, and now it may be difficult to get any copies of the original book. Luckily there is quite a bit of additional information that has become available. State Rep Charles Key R-Oklahoma City got one of the first drafts of my book and mentioned it often to the investigators working for the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee trying to get justice for so many who died. My thanks to Jim Grace, a hard-working investigator for the OBIC.

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My biggest problem has been that for some reason (joke), literary agents even mildly interested in getting a book deal for "Waiting For John Doe #2", get intimidated by the Feds, and publishers get the same pressure. So the book has been effectively suppressed.

The reason this book gets suppressed is that it describes 2 interviews between FBI Special Agents and I. One interview was with Special Agent John Campuzano, who was, during the weeks immediately following the Oklahoma City Bombing, the FBI Director-in-Charge of the Tri-State Anti-Terrorist Task Force (New York, New Jersey and Conn) and took place on April 26/27 (depending on what time zone you were in; I was still on GMT). The second interview, on Sunday, May 1, 1995 was with FBI Special Agent Joseph Twardowski, who was at the time, the FBI Special Agent Director of the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation.

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These 2 VERY high ranking FBI Special Agents were directed to interview me by their superiors (who at the time were FBI Director Louis B Freeh and FBI Asst. Director Larry Potts, of Ruby Ridge fame/infamy). The information taken by the 2 Special Agents who interviewed me should have been forwarded to Stephen Jones the defense attorney for Tim McVeigh, but they never sent any of this information to anyone defending Tim McVeigh or Terry Nichols. For 2 FBI Special Agents, with so many years experience to take the risk of being indicted for the crime of suppression of evidence, on such a high profile crime, could only have happened because higher-ups were pressuring them to do so. In fact those 2 FBI Special Agents spent most of their time suggesting to me that I should change my story, or perhaps I was fuzzy on the facts. That was hardly possible because I had taken notes the entire time I was being interviewed by all the Interpol detectives involved (excepting the Investigative director in-charge who surprised me)

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Another reason that the book gets suppressed is because the Interpol Director who swept into a small town near Reims, France by helicopter with a "flying squad", positively identified the person he was "hunting" as the suspect John Doe #2 from the Oklahoma City Bombing. This Interpol Investigative Director had numerous drawings, and even photos of JD#2. His explanation was that this bomber was the person who actually designed and set up the truck bomb with the assistance of Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. The lead Interpol detective mentioned how JD#2 had extensive experience building battle reenactment explosive devices and had been at the 1994 Normandy Invasion battle reenactment (with Bill Clinton, Francois Mitterand and Helmut Kohl as additional bystanders).

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Since the Interpol detective had informants in the Frankfurt, Germany Neo-NAZI sub-culture waiting for JD#2 after the Okla Bomb attack, he also knew this JD#2 suspect was willing to sell his bomb-making expertise to anyone willing to meet 3 criteria (#1 absolute secrecy about the identity of JD#2 under penalty of death [and he meant DEATH, as a true sociopath means DEATH], #2 sufficient financing for JD#2's bomb conspiracy needs, #3 that the bombing damage JD#2 would help wreak, be directed at Americans or the American government, such was JD#2's hatred for the people who stole North America from the Native Americans and then committed genocide against Native Americans.

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So why did all of this get my book suppressed and as well, all of this information and more was redacted from papers the FBI was required to send to both Congressmen Dan Burton's and Dana Rohrabacher's House Committee's investigation of FBI cover-ups over the Oklahoma City Bombing? The reason is the NAZI connection. This entire plot would have made FBI Director Freeh and Asst Director Potts look like boobs, and after Waco and Ruby Ridge it would have likely destroyed both of their careers. German GSG-9 counterterrorism liaisons in contact with the FBI warned Andreas Strassmeir that the FBI had an arrest warrant for murder being processed on Andreas Strassmeir (for his involvement in the Oklahoma City Bombing plot). This warrant was ready and in the hands of FBI agents who were going to try to arrest Andreas. Andreas Strassmeir did eventually escape the USA, through Mexico with the assistance of former CIA operative David Holloway.

Interpol isn't some huge octopus police force. It operates with the cooperation of all the police forces of the world who participate in Interpol's data gathering. Although there may be Interpol detectives present when an arrest is made, it is usually the police of the local country who make the official arrest.

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It is no coincidence that Andreas Strassmeir, Kirk Lyons of Black Mountain, North Carolina and John Doe #2 are all involved in the battle reenactment environment. It's also no coincidence that just before the bombing, there were telephone calls made to both Andreas Strassmeir and Kirk Lyons on McVeigh/Nichols' telephone credit cards.

*Andreas Strassmeir and John Doe #2 would have been a huge embarrassment to Louis Freeh and the FBI, right at the time when Freeh was helping Kenneth Starr go after Pres. Bill Clinton. Having the credibility of Freeh damaged fatally, and creating a huge distraction for the USA , so no one would pay any attention to the Monica Lewinsky story, would have been counterproductive to Freeh and Potts.

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Andreas Strassmeir had diplomatic immunity. He had access to many of the highest levels of the FBI because he was a former member of Germany's GSG-9 Counter-terrorist group. And just as importantly, Andreas' father, Gunther Starssmeir was the First Secretary of the ruling party in Germany and second in authorities to only Chancellor Helmut Kohl at the time. Gunther Strassmeir was the guy who convinced Helmut Kohl to send out books justifying the NAZI period in Germany to all Kohl's friends, associates and political helpers.

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Gunther Strassmeir was ex-Hitler Youth and Gunther funneled millions of Deutschmarks into Germany's WW2 battle reenactment clubs under the guise of the Dept of Tourism, so thousands of German battle reenactment NAZI's could strut around like NAZI SS, spouting NAZI philosophy, and pretending to be in the service of Hitler. This was the only legal way in Germany to display NAZI items and NAZI military propaganda in 1995. As well, the German military (Bundeswehr) trained the battle reenactors so the reenactment explosions would be huge and realistic, while not injuring the reenactors. Andreas Strassmeir was in the USA from 1987 until 1995 arranging the Oklahoma City Bombing. Andreas was pretending to spy on white supremacists for the US gov't, while he was really helping to arrange to murder hundreds of people in Oklahoma City.

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So how many reasons are there for the FBI to redact all the information about the real John Doe #2 out of the info they passed on to 2 Congressional committees, How many do you need? Brenda Nakanashi (her description in the Padilla thread on this website matches mine perfectly), Dana Bradley, Barbara Whittenberg (whose security tape in that diner has never been returned because it would clearly show who John Doe #2 was. In fact the "photos" I was shown by the Interpol detectives may have been taken from her security tape), the people at Elliott's Ryder truck rental and even the pawn/gun-store owner Pat Livingston, who recently came out about John Doe #2, THEY ARE ALL CORRECT in their descriptions of John Doe #2 (It is not a form of mass thought transfer that's for sure). John Doe #2 had the motivation as a part Native American to help kill as many non-Native Americans as possible. John Doe #2 had the ability with his extensive training by German military explosives experts and experienced battle reenactment staging people in Gettysburg. John Doe #2 had access to the specialty det cord harnesses used to time explosive sequences to thousandths of a second, as well as all the other bomb making items required. John Doe #2 had Tim McVeigh as his vehicle to build the truck bomb and take the fall, creating the perfect opportunity for the Oklahoma City Bombing Crime (mass murder). John Doe #2 also had an escape route through Germany's Neo-NAZI subculture, money, and battle reenactment connections with Kirk Lyons and Andreas Strassemeir.

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The Interpol detectives tracking John Doe #2 through eastern France on his way to the American battlefield cemeteries, in Reims and then on to Frankfurt, Germany were quite up front about extreme danger presented by John Doe #2. They were more concerned about how many SWAT team members would be required when they finally caught up with John Doe #2 (outside Germany of course where Gunther Strassmeir was effectively the German Vice President and could stop any German police action). This detective was concerned about how many police would be killed or injured trying to capture this very dangerous American bomb-builder/trainer.

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So this also explains why Tim McVeigh went "almost" silently to his execution and Terry Nichols remains mum even today. They all have people they really believe would be murdered if the name of the real John Doe #2 was revealed by them. All of the people like McVeigh and Nichols know John Doe #2 would kill someone like Josh Nichols (Terry Nichol's son), like we'd smack a mosquito. I MEAN TERRY NICHOLS REAL-L-LY believes John Doe #2 will murder without the tiniest concern. John Doe #2 believes no matter how many Americans his bombs murder, or how many people like Ramzi Yousef get bomb training from him, there will not be enough time in John Doe #2's lifetime to kill as many White and Black Americans as the 11 million Native Americans he feels the Euro-North-Americans and Black Americans killed when they murdered women and children all across North America, stealing North America from "the First People". John Doe #2 had a payback agenda when he designed and supervised the building of the Murrah bomb. John Doe #2 had a pretty good idea of how much devastation that truck bomb would cause in Oklahoma City April 19, 1995. Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols wanted a statement. John Doe #2, wanted mass murder.

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Of course it would be better if Interpol had a leak and the name of John Doe #2 got out. He's not impossible to find, although Native Americans don't have the same border passport checks in many parts of the USA that other Americans now suffer. The US State Department actually puts the name of John Doe #2 into their security bulletin sent out to almost all the country security forces the USA feels are on "our" side. This security bulletin asks countries that wish to cooperate with the USA, to let the USA know when any "persons of interest" enter their country, where they stay, and where they go after they leave. Here is an example of the return message from the Philippines Security Department to the USA for the year 2000.

This story was printed in The Manila Times, the official agent in the Philippines that releases government information.

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USA Lists 25 Int'l Terrorists Who Regularly Visit RP (Republic of the Philippines)

Date Posted: July 12 2002

Source: The Manila Times

United States intelligence officials have released the names of 25 international terrorist suspects believed to have slipped in and out of the Philippines in the last four years.

American sources, who refused to be identified, also said the US Border Patrol and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) are on the alert for these persons.

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Christopher Hamel, American; Michael Colleto, American; Michael Abbott, American; Mark Anthony Finnigin, American; Clifford Mogg, American; Andreas Strassmeir, German. Sharon Toval, Israeli; Michael Hararior Harare, Israeli; Don Wassall, American; Ronney Lee Atkins, American; Mahylon Andrews, American; Ron Tyler, American; Kadar Kareem, undetermined; Zacarias Moussaoui, undetermined; Chris Chapula, American; Donovan St. Claire, American; Daniel Spiegelman, American; Craig Wesley Hasseltine, American; Juan Garcia Abrego, Maxican; John Bangerter, American; Hashem Alhussaini, Iraqi; Al Husseini Hssain, Iraqi; Mark Strum or Strumm, American and Mysterious German.

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Due to delays in reporting from the Philippines to the USA (pre-Homeland Security consolidation) this list published by the government Security Agency press in the Philippines, lists the names of of these "persons of interest" who were in the Philippines during the years 1998-2001. We now recognize some names like "Zacarias Moussaoui, undetermined" (nationality) and "Andreas Strassmeir, German". But the name of the real John Doe #2 is also on that list, along with drug traffickers, arms dealers and other criminal types like money-launderers or smugglers. The FBI would like John Doe #2 to get a bullet to the brain, as long as John Doe #2 did not keep extensive notes (he did). So while one branch of the USA government is searching for master bomb builder John Doe #2, the FBI denies he exists. Know any publishers willing to take the risk to publish my book now?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: cuckooforcocoapuffs; fbi; getalife; johndoe2; nazi; nutjobs; oklahoma
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1 posted on 08/14/2009 8:52:04 PM PDT by TomTGradeczek
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To: TomTGradeczek

Do you remember the very first reports after the OK City bombing was that they were looking for middle eastern men driving away from the scene.


2 posted on 08/14/2009 8:55:49 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: Admin Moderator

Let’s keep an eye on this guy.


3 posted on 08/14/2009 9:01:40 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: TomTGradeczek
Bump
To read later
4 posted on 08/14/2009 9:04:48 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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bfl


5 posted on 08/14/2009 9:10:36 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

TCBE for sure.


6 posted on 08/14/2009 9:17:43 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: TomTGradeczek

In the aftermath of OKC, when the inventory of body parts was complete, there was one extra leg.


7 posted on 08/14/2009 9:19:05 PM PDT by fso301
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To: TomTGradeczek

Welcomet to FR:

Working link:
http://waiting4johndoe2.tripod.com/book.html

Who is this “CHRIS CHAPULA” and why have we never heard of him before?


8 posted on 08/14/2009 9:23:29 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: fso301
In the aftermath of OKC, when the inventory of body parts was complete, there was one extra leg.

Interesting. I had never heard that.

9 posted on 08/14/2009 9:24:53 PM PDT by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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To: TomTGradeczek

The loose ends of OKC were never tied up to my satisfaction. Too much evidence of additional perps that was never addressed.


10 posted on 08/14/2009 9:27:23 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Resident Obama: Not a President, not a Citizen, living here but from somewhere else...)
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To: FrdmLvr

**Do you remember the very first reports after the OK City bombing was that they were looking for middle eastern men driving away from the scene.***

“Men in running suits, with swarthy complections, of middle Eastern decent fleing the scene”.

That is what I heard ABC MSM say that morning.


11 posted on 08/14/2009 9:29:04 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tar and feather the sons of bi#ches! Ride them out of town on a rail!)
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To: Free Vulcan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Michael_Trentadue


12 posted on 08/14/2009 9:31:49 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Free Vulcan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Michael_Trentadue


13 posted on 08/14/2009 9:31:52 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: TomTGradeczek
Jose' Padilla / John Doe 2?

Found on Stewwebb.com

[Well, it's not any wackier than trying to tie Nazis to the OKC bombing].

14 posted on 08/14/2009 9:36:48 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: buccaneer81

bump


15 posted on 08/14/2009 9:37:10 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (My new favorite quote "You can't organize clutter.")
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To: TomTGradeczek

Thanks for posting. Welcome aboard! Very interesting.


16 posted on 08/14/2009 9:38:06 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: doug from upland
"State Rep Charles Key R-Oklahoma City got one of the first drafts of my book and mentioned it often to the investigators working for the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee trying to get justice for so many who died."

Really? That's news to me.... (I'll ask...)

Wonder what Jayna thinks of this guy and his theories?

17 posted on 08/14/2009 9:41:59 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TomTGradeczek
So John Doe #2 was the bomb expert?

My first thought was to remember that Clinton intelligence czar Richard Clarke wrote in Against All Enemies, "We do know that [Tim McVeigh's co conspirator Terry] Nicholas' bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned." That was a conclusion after Clarke noted that it's possible that al-Qaida members in the Philippines taught Terry Nichols how to make bombs. I believe that it is true that intelligence sources do place Nichols there on the same days as Ramzi Yousef.

But later in the posting the author suggests that JD#2 was also a visitor to the Philippines. Who knows.

One thing that I do know is that citizens took years of abuse, ridicule, and threats before they convinced Congress to have real hearings on Ruby Ridge and Waco.

So stay tune. Ruby Ridge and Waco discredited relatively low-level government people. OKC reaches into the highest levels and has its fingers around the throats of some very important Americans.

18 posted on 08/14/2009 9:46:00 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: buccaneer81; Admin Moderator
"Let’s keep an eye on this guy."

I agree.

His "French 6th Division Judicial Police" link actually goes to

http://www.waiting4johndoe2.tripod.com/book.html

which goes nowhere...

19 posted on 08/14/2009 9:53:12 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: conservative cat
Interesting. I had never heard that.

Yes. It's but many strange things associated with OKC. The left foot was attached to a left military style boot.

Authorities finally decided it belonged to an airman that had already been buried with a loose left leg (no mention if a boot was attached to that leg). So, they dug up the airmans body and declared the leg they didn't bury matched the body they previously buried with two legs.

Of course, that still left them with an unmatched left leg. Since the previously buried left leg they dug up and removed from the casket had been embalmed, authorities claimed they couldn't perform a DNA match with other bodies that were missing a left leg (no mention if any of the owners of those bodies missing a left leg might have been wearing military boots that day).

What this means is authorities must not have taken DNA samples from the various bits and pieces to begin with.

20 posted on 08/14/2009 10:05:49 PM PDT by fso301
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To: All

Anyone who has read Jayna Davis’ “The Third Terrorist” cannot believe Middle Eastern terrorism was NOT behind this.


21 posted on 08/14/2009 10:07:40 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: TomTGradeczek

bfl


22 posted on 08/14/2009 10:15:30 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: TomTGradeczek

Thanks for taking the time to post this. The “official” version of the OKC bombing story has always stunk to high heaven, almost as bad as TWA Flight 800.


23 posted on 08/14/2009 10:18:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: OKCSubmariner

(( ping ))


24 posted on 08/14/2009 10:19:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TomTGradeczek

Welcome to FR!


25 posted on 08/14/2009 10:24:56 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Rush nailed it- Obama IS a failed President. Send in the clowns!)
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To: rfp1234

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/697881/posts


26 posted on 08/14/2009 10:26:08 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: TomTGradeczek

Read “The Third Terrorist” by Jayna Davis...quite a chilling read on the subject.

http://www.jaynadavis.com/highlights.html

Her investigation of the OKC bombing was far more detailed than any other I have read about yet her book went unnoticed.


27 posted on 08/14/2009 11:11:21 PM PDT by BootsOfEscaping
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To: TomTGradeczek; All
Here's a link to a Wall Street Journal report on both the Jayna Davis and Laurie Mylroie investigations into the OKCB and WTC bombings:

If you haven't read either book suggest you get copies and see just how much has been left out of the 'official' reports, and the lack of investigation from our Maggot Media.

28 posted on 08/14/2009 11:23:00 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: All
 

The Third Terrorist
by Jayna Davis

29 posted on 08/14/2009 11:27:39 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: TomTGradeczek

ping


30 posted on 08/15/2009 1:25:37 AM PDT by Bellflower (The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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To: brityank

“This remains a speculative possibility, but a possibility that needs to be put on the table in a serious way.”

You can’t even begin to believe much less understand how you’ve been lied to until you understand the psychology of the big lie. It’s obvious the Middle East was connected and it’s OBVIOUS that Iraq was involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFwkIv8AsI


31 posted on 08/15/2009 1:30:44 AM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history will repeat, repeat and repeat.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Too much evidence of additional perps that was never addressed.

Before you can UNDERSTAND the BIG LIE, you have to at see how they do it. Go back a few decades before OKC to see where the playbook was written.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFwkIv8AsI

If I exlained the additional “mysteries” of OKC you wouldn’t believe me, first you have to see how easy it is to tell you lies.


32 posted on 08/15/2009 1:57:26 AM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history will repeat, repeat and repeat.)
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To: TomTGradeczek
The BATF had offices in the OKC Federal building. It's interesting that not a single BATF employee showed up for work that day. Also, the BATF had stockpiled a large cache of explosives in the basement of the building. If you look at the photos after the blast, you can see what appears to be low level destruction, which could not have been caused by a truck bomb setting out in the street.

As zero's numbers drop look for another such event to occur. The press is prepping the public for the event with their wild stories of "right wing hate groups."

33 posted on 08/15/2009 2:32:20 AM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: TomTGradeczek
One interesting thing I remember from this incident was how the police artist's sketch of McVeigh that appeared very shortly after the bombing was what proved to be McVeigh's exact likeness.

I really don't think that picture could have been so close without something strange going on behind the scenes.

34 posted on 08/15/2009 2:53:54 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: TXnMA

I’ll have to call her and ask.


35 posted on 08/15/2009 5:37:08 AM PDT by doug from upland (10 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: Texas Jack
The Ryder truck was parked at grade level of the lowest floor of the Murrah office tower. There was no "basement" beneath that part of the structure.
36 posted on 08/15/2009 7:00:44 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TomTGradeczek; PeaceBeWithYou
"But here is the post from PBWY, which I will use to head up my own post."

What is the URL of that earlier FR thread, please?

37 posted on 08/15/2009 7:04:48 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: rfp1234

Wanna hear something equally as whacky? Nichols wife’s maiden name is padilla.


38 posted on 08/15/2009 8:38:03 AM PDT by weezel
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To: TomTGradeczek
Follow Up to some of the comments and questions about my post here and my book!

First, thank you to the people who read my post here, and also to those who wrote comments. I especially want to thank the person who posted the correct link to my reference website earlier. Please excuse me when I say that I did not post the wrong link to my book page intentionally. I was rushing too much and put in http://www...etc for the link that freerepublic required. I did not catch this error when proofing my post. The correct link should be:

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http://waiting4johndoe2.tripod.com/book.html

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I guess I wasn't clear about a few things. I wasn't in the USA from April 15, 1995 until April 26, 1995. I was in France and England. I cannot comment on what Jayna has said in her book, except to say that the guy she seems most focused on to be John Doe #2 was detained in the USA during that period. I like the book by David Hoffman, "The Oklahoma City Bombing and The Politics of Terror". The post by nunya bidness on this forum, 6/15/2002 at 4:21:07 pm has a very large number of quotes from this book. The eyewitness reports that seem consistent (including one that turned into one of the John Doe #2 drawings) are listed below.

begin quotes "That same day, or possibly the following day, Debbie Nakanashi, an employee at the Post Office across from the Murrah Building, saw the pair when they stopped by and asked where they might find federal job applications. It was Nakanashi who provided the description for the well-known profile sketch of John Doe 2 in the baseball cap."

"Accompanying McVeigh was a short, stocky, handsome man, of either Mexican or American Indian descent. The man closely resembled the FBI sketch of John Doe 2, they said."

"The passenger in the pick-up was dark skinned with black hair, average height, and had a "real muscular build," she said. He was wearing a t-shirt and sun-glasses, and "looked just like the John Doe 2 sketch." end quotes

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There is a helpful drawing of John Doe #2 further down in the comments to this (my original) post. The difference is this. I personally saw this guy, and he looked nearly exactly like the drawing below, so I don't really need to ask other people who saw him. I saw him because I was helping out a fellow-American, by using more than an hour of my time, sitting 3 feet away from him, in the crowded office of a small hotel, translating for him while he tried to get a very specific hotel room 2 nights, April 20 & 21, 1995. The hotel manager who was 4 feet away, directly across a desk, is also more than positive the guy in the drawing below, is the guy who registered at the hotel that night in the middle of a sleeting ice storm (check the weather for Reims the night of the 20th).

But best of all neither the hotel manager/owners or I had to consider whether we were right about matching the drawing picture, showing in the comments to my post, with the person we saw April 20 and 21, 1995. (I actually saw him twice because JD#2 asked for directions to the local market and I saw him buying wine there on the 21st.)

When the Interpol flying squad and the French 6th Division Judicial Police arrived in town, the Interpol Investigative Detective Director just told us outright, the guy we met, was the guy who was the supervising bomb designer/builder for the Oklahoma City bombing. This detective had informants in the Frankfurt, Germany Neo-NAZI sub-culture and he said that these Neo-NAZI groups were waiting to assist this bomber, so Interpol was waiting for John Doe #2 to arrive. It's true that Interpol was thrown off completely when John Doe #2 made his way to the American Servicemen's Cemetery in Reims, instead of going directly to Frankfurt. But after regrouping, Interpol took off to chase this suspect again.

The French 6th Division Judicial Police spent the next few days after the Interpol detectives took off, canvasing the town, interviewing witnesses, writing the final reports, doing surveillance on the streets surrounding the hotel and acting as body-guards for the key witnesses. The FBI liaison agent (or Special Agent he didn't specify) who worked in the US Embassy in Paris told me how he was arranging for me to do interviews with other FBI agents "the minute I was back on American soil", and how I was to make those contacts.

The Interpol people had expressed grave concerns about the safety of the hotel owner/managers and myself, because of how dangerous they considered JD#2 to be. The hotel owner/managers asked me to promise not to reveal who they were. Bombings are a real threat over there and Frankfurt isn't that far from Reims. The Interpol detective director had suggested that I might be better off, talking to my congressional representative first about this matter and then the press. At the time it didn't register with me that he wasn't suggesting I talk to the FBI. But now I understand why.

The French 6th Division Judicial Police had a completely different point of view, maybe because they do the legwork on the ground when these types of investigations happen. Those French agents suggested I write a book. They were already having me help them with the reports from people in the town, translating American idiom into French. So since I had all these interview reports etc. they thought a book would be easy. The French counter-terrorism police also didn't think I should depend totally on the FBI. Again, I was gung ho to help the FBI. America had been attacked and I just wanted to help.

I DID interview with the FBI when I returned,...twice. They seemed more intent on changing my story than taking good notes on what I was telling them. Eventually I figured out I had to write the book. Rep. Charles Key in Oklahoma got one of the first drafts in 1996/97. Of course I didn't realize the FBI didn't want it known they had bozo'd the part about letting the key bomb builder get out of the country, it might have confused the McVeigh trial.

It's well known now that the FBI DID issue an arrest warrant for murder against Andreas Strassmeir, and Andreas barely escaped from the USA. It wasn't possible to get him back to the USA because the FBI wouldn't guarantee that Andreas wouldn't be up for the death penalty. Now if there are people out there who successfully connect Andreas Strassmeir to an Islamic terror group, then Jayna may have a link to my story. An FBI arrest warrant for murder is pretty serious, so I assume they know Andreas Strassmeir is involved in the Oklahoma City bombing with certainty.

But I've seen the person calling himself Chris Chapula (as listed in the US State department's list of "persons of interest"). He looked like the first John Doe #2 drawing so much, it really IS scary. Now as to who is Chris Chapula, that's still up in the air. The FBI says he doesn't exist. The US State Dept wants to know his movements in foreign countries. Shotgun News had his address in 1994 listed as:

209 Rambling Oaks Drive

Moore, Oklahoma (a suburb south of Oklahoma City)

This may have been a mail drop for Chris Chapula, but it is close enough to the Murrah bombing area to be odd. In any case the 2 FBI agents whose interviews with me, didn't get to any of the defense attorneys for the convicted bombers, Allot of other connections between Andreas Strassmeir and the Oklahoma City bombing are on the web page link at the top of this post.

PS: I'm still seeking an agent and book publisher.

Thanks to all, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com

39 posted on 08/15/2009 10:56:19 AM PDT by TomTGradeczek
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To: BILL_C

Well having read the book BCCI, with Clinton tangled in the middle of all that, and then Stephanopulous slipping years laters saying the TWA disaster was a missile, a ME source of the plot is so much within the realm of possibility.

And I think that was just the tip of the iceberg.


40 posted on 08/15/2009 3:07:02 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Resident Obama: Not a President, not a Citizen, living here but from somewhere else...)
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To: TXnMA; All
I would be very interested in replies from 2 of the persons you have mentioned

As far as Rep Charles Key is concerned, I have it from a number of people that Rep Key carried the draft I sent to him in 1997, (of my book), around for quite a while. Tell him Jim Grace told me specifically he had seen Rep Key with the draft copy of the book I sent to him. I would appreciate a response to that question on this forum.

As far as Jayna is concerned, it would be interesting if she or anyone else studying this story, was able to reveal what was in the arrest warrant for Andreas Strassmeir that was about to be excecuted in mid-1995 before Andreas escaped the USA with the help of David Holloway (a pretty well documented story at this point). If the crimes listed in this warrant for Andreas Strassmeir can somehow be linked to Islamic terrorists, then this is a point in Jayna's favor. If instead it reveals that Andreas Strassmeir was in the USA from 1987 until 1995 trying to find the key dupes, set up the financing, arrange for a bomb building expert and other assistance for a terrorist attack on the USA (perhaps to fulfill Gunther Strassmeir's burning desire to hit back at the USA), Then this is a point in my favor.

It will be interesting to find out if Rep Key and Jayna have responses to these comments I have made about or to them.

Thanks, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com

41 posted on 08/16/2009 7:57:52 PM PDT by TomTGradeczek
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To: TomTGradeczek; Travis McGee

Check with Travis McGee. He may be able to help with a publisher.

Can you help this guy out Matthew?


42 posted on 08/16/2009 8:39:59 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: TomTGradeczek

FReepMail for you...


43 posted on 08/16/2009 10:56:34 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TomTGradeczek; PeaceBeWithYou

BTW,

Neither of you ever responded with the URL of the earlier FR thread where PBWY mentioned TTG’s book...


44 posted on 08/16/2009 11:00:54 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA; All
The thread you have asked about was titled as below

Jose Padilla as John Doe #2 theory gains as ties to Benevolence International are uncovered

I am not completely familiar with how Free Republic archives their threads, but I think this is the URL for that thread I just listed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/700697/posts

The post mentioning my book was #135 in that thread and was posted by PeaceBeWithYou.

A post mentioning Gunther Strassmeir and Andreas Strassmeir was post #131 by KirkandBurke (but missing facts like Gunther Strassmeir being in the Hitler Youth from preteen age to his late teens, or that Kirk Lyons' grandfather was one of the founders of the German NAZI party)

The extremely long excerpts from David Hoffman's book, The Oklahoma City Bombing and The Politics of Terror are in post #105 by nunya bidness

TomTGradeczek, (tomtgradeczek@lycos.com) author of Waiting For John Doe (Number Two), (how a former Hitler Youth successfully arranged mass murder through a terrorist attack on Oklahoma and America)

45 posted on 08/17/2009 9:48:16 AM PDT by TomTGradeczek
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To: TomTGradeczek

“The third man” was (I believe) the title of a book a reporter who was on the case wrote and hers was very convincing also.


46 posted on 08/17/2009 10:18:21 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: TXnMA; All
To:TXnMA

I hope you got the corrected link to the web page, I haven't heard from you as to whether you did get this link or not.

http://waiting4johndoe2.tripod.com/book.html

I understand you authored 65 pages of the OBIC Final Report. So you know who Jim Grace is. I only spent 9-10 hours on the telephone with him, trying to explain some of the things I have listed in the posts here on Free Republic, about how 2 very high ranking FBI Special Agent Directors (now I've been using the real names of these SAs because my lawyer and I think the statute of limitations may have run out on any problems they might have for having withheld witness reports from the McVeigh and Nichols defense teams), about how I was told outright by Interpol (who showed me photos and 3/4 and slightly elevated headshot views) the JD#2 suspect I met was the person they said assisted in designing and building the OK City truck bomb.

Jim said the OBIC investigators including himself had interviewed witnesses who had seen this same John Doe #2 suspect "muscling" a large pallet with a tangle of cables (perhaps cannon fuse or det cord) and various other bits and pieces, from a large storage locker into the back of a Ryder truck similar to the one used as the holder of the truck bomb in Ok City, a day or so before the first sighting of the Ryder truck at the Best Western and Dreamland Motels and the sightings of John Doe #2 at the Dreamland.

The second Ryder truck seen in various places just a few days before the bombing including one night at the Best Western, and one night at the Dreamland Motels BEFORE, Tim McVeigh (Bob Kling) rented the truck that eventually blew up in OkCity, makes perfect sense. No one experienced at handling explosives like the ones used in Ok City, would build a bomb into a truck hundreds of miles from its eventual detonation point, without having a similar truck as back-up. In addition the truck carrying the det cord harness, and possibly other bomb making materials that would be in a Ryder truck driven up to Kansas to build the bomb, would have made the ideal back-up truck to the one carrying the bomb.

Here is what I don't understand. How is it that Interpol was willing to tell civilians like the owners of the hotel JD#2 stayed at (at least according to the Investigative Director from Interpol who wanted certain information), and NO helpful law enforcement or State Dept., or even foreign government law enforcement people would help OBIC by simply getting copies of the photos the Interpol and French 6th Division Judicial Police had showing various angles of this bombing suspects face, head and body so they could show them to various witnesses who were found in Oklahoma and Kansas?

Once the French hotel owners called a high ranking officer friend of theirs in the French Gendarmeie, Interpol people showed up quickly and said they already had at least 24 hours advance notice that one of the bombers from 36 hours earlier was on his way to the Neo-NAZI subculture in Frankfurt, Germany (The Gendarmerie in France is a sort of military police organization, where putting down union riots cannot be done by local police, since the local police may belong to the same union as the rioters. The Gendarmerie fills this roll and many others. They don't patrol streets except during riots, they don't ticket cars or respond to domestic violence and they don't even investigate murders unless the murders are widespread across France, but the Gendarmerie has many special military powers, SWAT teams and they have barracks/prisons/armories in every major city in France.)

Obviously once the Gendarmerie officer took the info from the hotel owners and Interpol was notified, they tracked the suspect back from Northeastern France to his arrival point at an airport (likely in Paris). The French airports have hundreds of cameras, and once they pinpointed this bombing suspect's arrival gate, Interpol would have had dozens of really clear photos or police artist drawings from video footage. I told Jim Grace myself that the Interpol investigators showed me a bunch of drawings that were not of the same type as the John Doe #2 (1st and 2nd) drawings. Even those drawings would have been sufficient for the Oklahoma and Kansas witnesses to identify much more precisely, this bombing suspect.

If you look at my book pages and the links on them, you will see that many of the links are from European investigative reporters. Contact with European news reporters would have allowed someone in the OBIC to get their hands on thee Interpol drawings and photos. Another thing I can't believe is that Interpol, The French 6th Division Judicial Police, The 2 FBI SAs, and Jim Grace all heard me telling them that this John Doe #2 suspect arrived in France with 2 very interesting things. #1) He was wearing, from the minute he arrived, a commemorative souvenir T-Shirt from the Normandy Invasion battle reenactment that Clinton, Mitterand and Kohl attended in 1994. That T-shirt came from a tour operator in Gettysburg who sent many American tourists to Normandie for this reenactment. The idea that an experienced battle reenactment explosives handler would go to the Normanie D-Day reenactment is pretty reasonable. When, during the hour plus of time it took for me to translate for the hotel manager, because this bombing suspect wanted a specific hotel room that the manager really didn't want to give him, I asked the guy outright, "I'm a photographer, what do you do?" His answer was that he "handled explosives", and later he added that "it was exciting and interesting, and he really enjoyed doing it, as much as he possibly could." NONE OF THAT CAME AS THE LEAST SURPRISE TO THE INTERPOL DETECTIVES. In fact, the Interpol detectives said they already knew this (fact).

#2) This JD#2 suspect carried 2 duffel bags that seemed to be military issue (not surprising because he wore a new, Army fatigue outer jacket and US army olive green pants to go with his Normandy D-Day reenactment T-shirt). I really liked the look of the 2 duffels (both marked "Delta D", a triangle and an upper case letter "D"), so I asked him where he got the duffels. He said he bought most everything he used at gun shows from surplus dealers. Tim McVeigh was in Delta D in the Army at Fort Riley. The duffels had books in them (or notes about all the US Gov't or FBI guys this bombing suspect had met [joke]), because sitting in such a close space, I bumped these duffels a few times with my feet. It seemed like books.

So how is it OBIC got no new drawings or photos of the JD#2 suspect? Did OBIC track down all the Normandy D-Day reenactment tours to look for this name? Who was living at 209 Rambling Oaks Dr in Moore (which is really part of Oklahoma City) in 1994 and 1995? Did OBIC send investigators to Europe either before or after the FBI made it known they were trying to arrest Andreas Strassmeir for murder or at least conspiracy to murder by bombing the Murrah building? My various web pages describing my book and the facts I was willing to put on those web pages, have had hundreds of thousands of hits, with about 50% of the hits originating in Germany (I like those hit counters that will designate the originating country of the search engine or server that made the connection to my previous web pages), but I never got one inquiry from OBIC or anyone connected to OBIC after I finished my telephone interviews with Jim Grace.

Maybe Terry Nichols did have contact with Islamic terrorists, I don't know. But the things I know about the John Doe #2 suspect, Andreas Strassmeir etc. have never changed or been explained in any way except that this American with a 99% resemblance to the first John Doe Number 2, was described by 2 European law enforcement groups as the guy who designed and helped assembled the Oklahoma City truck bomb. Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols would never have known how to build a truck bomb like the one used in Oklahoma City. The cup-shaped array of explosive containers designed to go off first to direct and focus the blast of the second (main) set of explosive canisters, followed very shortly after by the explosion of the second set of canisters that were directed towards the Murrah building, was a very precision double detonation bomb. The second detonation had to occur soon enough so the explosion of the first group of canisters facing away from the Murrah building wouldn't materially disrupt the array of the second set of canisters, allowing the majority of the force of the second set of canisters to be focused and compressed and directed right at the front of the Murrah building. This second set of canisters couldn't be detonated before or at the same time as the first set of canisters or most of the blast would have focused straight up, or equally out in all directions, or even, away from the Murrah building. This requires precision timing within tens of thousandths of a second, plus exceptional alignment of all the explosive canisters. ONLY A VERY EXPERIENCED EXPLOSIVES HANDLER COULD HAVE ASSEMBLED A TRUCK BOMB LIKE THIS and neither McVeigh or Nichols had this kind of experience.

I find it hard to believe that if 6 years and thousands and thousands of hours were put into the OBIC Final Report, no one thought of the things I am posting now. I am not saying OBIC didn't do good things, but finding this mass murderer and connecting him conclusively to Andreas Strassmeir, before someone puts a bullet into JD32's head, seems it should have raised some of the questions raised here. Perhaps Jose Padilla somewhat resembles the first JD#2 drawing, but get your hands on the Interpol drawings/photos made of the JD#2 suspect who arrived in France about 24 hours after the bombing and you'll see a 99.9% resemblance.

TomTGradeczek, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com

author of Waiting For John Doe (Number Two), (how a former Hitler Youth successfully arranged mass murder through a terrorist attack on Oklahoma and America).

47 posted on 08/17/2009 1:55:15 PM PDT by TomTGradeczek
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To: TomTGradeczek

Klinton cover up


48 posted on 08/17/2009 4:30:02 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: TXnMA; All
To TXnMA and others at OBIC

Your hearts were in the right place but your heads were in a dark place.

I was in NYC when the first World Trade Center truck bomb went off. I was down on Orchard Street chatting with friends when all of a sudden there was thunder and the ground shook like an earthquake and bits of glass, garage door bolts, concrete chunks, car parts and various metal hunks came raining down out of the sky on me, and my van. Unlike the thousands of New Yorkers who were streaming away from the blast site, I grabbed a camera and headed towards the blast site, fighting a tide of panicked humanity. I saw the huge mushroom cloud of smoke heading for the sky near the twin towers and I only hoped there would not be a collapse of the world's tallest buildings (at the time).

It turned out it was that crazy Sheik Khalid who masterminded the explosion. Islamic terrorism had come to America.

So when the Oklahoma City bombing occurred, it seemed like almost everyone was interested in blaming Islamic terrorism somehow. It was great PRESS. It pushed exactly the right buttons to scare America. When I talked with Jim Grace about the explanations I had been given by Interpol about the Ok City bomb designer, he bluntly told me, to this effect; the OBIC people are looking to find their theory that it was Arab terrorists somehow involved with this bombing. We probably won't follow up on what you've provided us with.

So I set aside what I felt and hoped that some sort of real resolution would come out. But it never did pan out that Islamics were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.

On the other hand, in Europe, there were many, many investigators interested in my web pages and my story. They live with NAZIs all the time. Talk to a Scotsman who has lost a grandfather, a couple of uncles, and a variety of other family members to NAZIs in WW2 and Lockerbie and flight 103 notwithstanding, it's NAZIs they want to kill the most.

Where is perspective about who has MURDERED the most AMERICANS during the last 100 years, in America today? NOWHERE (although my dad and my uncle who fought in Europe during WW2 still remembered the German death camps in 1995.

If we look at who has nurdered the most Americans during our history, have to eliminate the millions killed in the USA's own Civil War here, so let's try to determine the "numbers of murdered Americans" in the last 100 years. Maybe I'm an old fart, but this gives me perspective.

The top killers of Americans in the last 100 years are #1) The Japanese Imperial Army and their mercenary helpers, #2)The NAZIs of WW2 and their helpers, #3)The north Koreans and CHINESE, #4)The North Vietnamese and the CHINESE, and then maybe because of the Twin Towers 9/11, #5) Islamic terrorists. So at the bottom of the list (Please Remember the 4000-5000 killed at Pearl Harbor alone, not counting the Japanese Death March etc.), we have Islamic terrorists

Maybe 7,000 Americans have been murdered/assassinated by Islamic terrorists in the last 20 years. It's a terrible thing, but don't lose perspective. If Brits and Scots still remember NAZIs, then what about the French who have Algerian terrorists everywhere. At Christmas Eve time 1994, Algerian terrorists hijack an airliner, and in Marseilles they tried to fuel up completely to "escape". But to where??? Eventually the 6th Division Judicial Police in France decided the hijackers were going to crash their hijacked, fully fueled plane into Paris (sounds just like 9/11 doesn't it???). So this group of ultra-SWAT police posed as refuel maintenance men and in 8 seconds blew the doors on the plane and killed 8 terrorists. I know one of those 6th Divisions Judicial police. He was my bodyguard for 2 days.

One of the things that this 6th Division Police agent showed me was a restaurant/bar for NAZI's. In France after WW2, the political party of the French Fascist Brownshirts who had collaborated with the German NAZIs in France and become NAZIs whenever possible, was called the Collabos (The Collaborators). The Collabos have gotten as much as 35% of the total presidential election votes in France. IN OTHER WORDS, there are so many many Facists and NAZI collaborators in France (particularly after WW2) that they have protection in numbers. If collaborators with the NAZIs in WW2 were found in the USA the 50s (and they weren't rocket designers) we executed them, justly.

But in Europe in the 50s there were too few men to rebuild Europe and fight the Communists, so NAZI killers were allowed to live in peace. But that doesn't mean those NAZIs forgot about how American bombers helped bring Germany to its knees.

But Americans conveniently forgot about how, if Scotmen still hate NAZIs more than any other group for the amount of killings NAZIs did to Scots, Germany was far away, and HOW MANY GERMANS WOULD REMEMBER IT WAS AMERICA WHO TURNED THE TIDE AGAINST THEM IN WW2, BRINGING DOWN HITLER, AND KILLING MANY A GERMAN FAMILY MEMBER? I'd say millions of Germans who liked NAZIism, would like many Americans to die horrible deaths, like their German grandfathers and uncles, and aunts etc. were killed by American bombs and bombers.

So why didn't this all resonate when Interpol told me that John Doe #2 was an explosives expert, trained and experienced in the battle reenactment environment, who designed and assembled the truck bomb used in Oklahoma City? The OBIC people didn't want to hear anything about anything that didn't involve Islamic terrorists. HOW F***ing Myopic and unable to look at other possibilities can you get?

TomTGradeczek, tomgracezek@lycos.com

author of Waiting For John Doe (Number Two), (how a former Hitler Youth successfully arranged mass murder through a terrorist attack on Oklahoma and America).

49 posted on 08/17/2009 4:36:38 PM PDT by TomTGradeczek
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Yes, I got the link. Thank you!

You know, of course, that the investigators found fragments of blue plastic barrels all over the area (even on roofs).

McVeigh's sketch showed the three empty blue steel VP Racing fuels barrels lined up against the back door of the truck. Those barrels -- or their remains -- (like the rear axle) should have wound up to the east along Northwest 5th Street (in the direction of the Regency towers).

No trace of those steel barrels was ever reported. Do you have any idea as to why that is?

50 posted on 08/17/2009 5:56:46 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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