Return to the Real Mass Murderer Known as John Doe #2, Tim McVeigh/Terry Nichols were dupes

I'd like to thank PeaceBeWithYou for adding my book to the thread about John Doe #2, and the Hoffman book about the Oklahoma City Bombing. The only concern I have is that PBWY thought perhaps the Midwest accent I referred to in my book was Chicagoan. Sorry PBWY, think more like Decker, Michigan or Flint, Michigan. Good question about the American servicemen's cemetery in Reims, France, Interpol is wondering about the same thing.

But here is the post from PBWY, which I will use to head up my own post. Sorry it took me so long to reply to the original thread, but I was concerned enough about gays in the military that I spent some time contacting former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen'l Pace (an outspoken man if there ever was one), and then medical events slowed me down (we all get old eventually). But now I am back and you'll notice part of my thread further down, refers to just about the time that PBWY, posted the reply about my book.

Checkout the discription given for JD2 bottom third of page...an American, with a Midwest American accent(Chicago?), 21-26 years of age (in 1995)(would be 28-33 now), approximately 5 feet nine or ten inches tall weighing between 175 and 190 pounds. The suspect was very muscular, with bushy eyebrows and hair which was naturally very dark or black (like Hispanic or Native American hair). He traveled with a US Passport and used a Hispanic-American name. The suspect had very prominent, full lips and he walked with an athletic gait and longish strides for a person only 5 feet nine or ten inches tall....see link for continuation.

Sounds like an interesting book, will have to see if a local library has a copy.($150.00 is a little steep;-)) 134 posted on 06/15/2002 7:52:11 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou

Now to my thread, a response from the author Tom T Gradeczek, Let's string up these murderers the way our dad's strung up the NAZI bastards with Nuremburg Trials after WW2.

I would like to thank whoever it was that dug up the information about my book. Since I was circulating the book with agents and publishers, I set the price of the book purposely high. I couldn't allow it to be said that I was restraining the availability of the book, lest I lose control of my own work.

Since there were copies at the Library of Congress (4 copies actually, the 2 original copyright copies plus the 2 additional "update" copies, I knew it was possible to get a copy if it was important to anyone. It turned out to be quite important, and now it may be difficult to get any copies of the original book. Luckily there is quite a bit of additional information that has become available. State Rep Charles Key R-Oklahoma City got one of the first drafts of my book and mentioned it often to the investigators working for the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee trying to get justice for so many who died. My thanks to Jim Grace, a hard-working investigator for the OBIC.

My biggest problem has been that for some reason (joke), literary agents even mildly interested in getting a book deal for "Waiting For John Doe #2", get intimidated by the Feds, and publishers get the same pressure. So the book has been effectively suppressed.

The reason this book gets suppressed is that it describes 2 interviews between FBI Special Agents and I. One interview was with Special Agent John Campuzano, who was, during the weeks immediately following the Oklahoma City Bombing, the FBI Director-in-Charge of the Tri-State Anti-Terrorist Task Force (New York, New Jersey and Conn) and took place on April 26/27 (depending on what time zone you were in; I was still on GMT). The second interview, on Sunday, May 1, 1995 was with FBI Special Agent Joseph Twardowski, who was at the time, the FBI Special Agent Director of the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation.

These 2 VERY high ranking FBI Special Agents were directed to interview me by their superiors (who at the time were FBI Director Louis B Freeh and FBI Asst. Director Larry Potts, of Ruby Ridge fame/infamy). The information taken by the 2 Special Agents who interviewed me should have been forwarded to Stephen Jones the defense attorney for Tim McVeigh, but they never sent any of this information to anyone defending Tim McVeigh or Terry Nichols. For 2 FBI Special Agents, with so many years experience to take the risk of being indicted for the crime of suppression of evidence, on such a high profile crime, could only have happened because higher-ups were pressuring them to do so. In fact those 2 FBI Special Agents spent most of their time suggesting to me that I should change my story, or perhaps I was fuzzy on the facts. That was hardly possible because I had taken notes the entire time I was being interviewed by all the Interpol detectives involved (excepting the Investigative director in-charge who surprised me)

Another reason that the book gets suppressed is because the Interpol Director who swept into a small town near Reims, France by helicopter with a "flying squad", positively identified the person he was "hunting" as the suspect John Doe #2 from the Oklahoma City Bombing. This Interpol Investigative Director had numerous drawings, and even photos of JD#2. His explanation was that this bomber was the person who actually designed and set up the truck bomb with the assistance of Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. The lead Interpol detective mentioned how JD#2 had extensive experience building battle reenactment explosive devices and had been at the 1994 Normandy Invasion battle reenactment (with Bill Clinton, Francois Mitterand and Helmut Kohl as additional bystanders).

Since the Interpol detective had informants in the Frankfurt, Germany Neo-NAZI sub-culture waiting for JD#2 after the Okla Bomb attack, he also knew this JD#2 suspect was willing to sell his bomb-making expertise to anyone willing to meet 3 criteria (#1 absolute secrecy about the identity of JD#2 under penalty of death [and he meant DEATH, as a true sociopath means DEATH], #2 sufficient financing for JD#2's bomb conspiracy needs, #3 that the bombing damage JD#2 would help wreak, be directed at Americans or the American government, such was JD#2's hatred for the people who stole North America from the Native Americans and then committed genocide against Native Americans.

So why did all of this get my book suppressed and as well, all of this information and more was redacted from papers the FBI was required to send to both Congressmen Dan Burton's and Dana Rohrabacher's House Committee's investigation of FBI cover-ups over the Oklahoma City Bombing? The reason is the NAZI connection. This entire plot would have made FBI Director Freeh and Asst Director Potts look like boobs, and after Waco and Ruby Ridge it would have likely destroyed both of their careers. German GSG-9 counterterrorism liaisons in contact with the FBI warned Andreas Strassmeir that the FBI had an arrest warrant for murder being processed on Andreas Strassmeir (for his involvement in the Oklahoma City Bombing plot). This warrant was ready and in the hands of FBI agents who were going to try to arrest Andreas. Andreas Strassmeir did eventually escape the USA, through Mexico with the assistance of former CIA operative David Holloway.

Interpol isn't some huge octopus police force. It operates with the cooperation of all the police forces of the world who participate in Interpol's data gathering. Although there may be Interpol detectives present when an arrest is made, it is usually the police of the local country who make the official arrest.

It is no coincidence that Andreas Strassmeir, Kirk Lyons of Black Mountain, North Carolina and John Doe #2 are all involved in the battle reenactment environment. It's also no coincidence that just before the bombing, there were telephone calls made to both Andreas Strassmeir and Kirk Lyons on McVeigh/Nichols' telephone credit cards.

*Andreas Strassmeir and John Doe #2 would have been a huge embarrassment to Louis Freeh and the FBI, right at the time when Freeh was helping Kenneth Starr go after Pres. Bill Clinton. Having the credibility of Freeh damaged fatally, and creating a huge distraction for the USA , so no one would pay any attention to the Monica Lewinsky story, would have been counterproductive to Freeh and Potts.

Andreas Strassmeir had diplomatic immunity. He had access to many of the highest levels of the FBI because he was a former member of Germany's GSG-9 Counter-terrorist group. And just as importantly, Andreas' father, Gunther Starssmeir was the First Secretary of the ruling party in Germany and second in authorities to only Chancellor Helmut Kohl at the time. Gunther Strassmeir was the guy who convinced Helmut Kohl to send out books justifying the NAZI period in Germany to all Kohl's friends, associates and political helpers.

Gunther Strassmeir was ex-Hitler Youth and Gunther funneled millions of Deutschmarks into Germany's WW2 battle reenactment clubs under the guise of the Dept of Tourism, so thousands of German battle reenactment NAZI's could strut around like NAZI SS, spouting NAZI philosophy, and pretending to be in the service of Hitler. This was the only legal way in Germany to display NAZI items and NAZI military propaganda in 1995. As well, the German military (Bundeswehr) trained the battle reenactors so the reenactment explosions would be huge and realistic, while not injuring the reenactors. Andreas Strassmeir was in the USA from 1987 until 1995 arranging the Oklahoma City Bombing. Andreas was pretending to spy on white supremacists for the US gov't, while he was really helping to arrange to murder hundreds of people in Oklahoma City.

So how many reasons are there for the FBI to redact all the information about the real John Doe #2 out of the info they passed on to 2 Congressional committees, How many do you need? Brenda Nakanashi (her description in the Padilla thread on this website matches mine perfectly), Dana Bradley, Barbara Whittenberg (whose security tape in that diner has never been returned because it would clearly show who John Doe #2 was. In fact the "photos" I was shown by the Interpol detectives may have been taken from her security tape), the people at Elliott's Ryder truck rental and even the pawn/gun-store owner Pat Livingston, who recently came out about John Doe #2, THEY ARE ALL CORRECT in their descriptions of John Doe #2 (It is not a form of mass thought transfer that's for sure). John Doe #2 had the motivation as a part Native American to help kill as many non-Native Americans as possible. John Doe #2 had the ability with his extensive training by German military explosives experts and experienced battle reenactment staging people in Gettysburg. John Doe #2 had access to the specialty det cord harnesses used to time explosive sequences to thousandths of a second, as well as all the other bomb making items required. John Doe #2 had Tim McVeigh as his vehicle to build the truck bomb and take the fall, creating the perfect opportunity for the Oklahoma City Bombing Crime (mass murder). John Doe #2 also had an escape route through Germany's Neo-NAZI subculture, money, and battle reenactment connections with Kirk Lyons and Andreas Strassemeir.

The Interpol detectives tracking John Doe #2 through eastern France on his way to the American battlefield cemeteries, in Reims and then on to Frankfurt, Germany were quite up front about extreme danger presented by John Doe #2. They were more concerned about how many SWAT team members would be required when they finally caught up with John Doe #2 (outside Germany of course where Gunther Strassmeir was effectively the German Vice President and could stop any German police action). This detective was concerned about how many police would be killed or injured trying to capture this very dangerous American bomb-builder/trainer.

So this also explains why Tim McVeigh went "almost" silently to his execution and Terry Nichols remains mum even today. They all have people they really believe would be murdered if the name of the real John Doe #2 was revealed by them. All of the people like McVeigh and Nichols know John Doe #2 would kill someone like Josh Nichols (Terry Nichol's son), like we'd smack a mosquito. I MEAN TERRY NICHOLS REAL-L-LY believes John Doe #2 will murder without the tiniest concern. John Doe #2 believes no matter how many Americans his bombs murder, or how many people like Ramzi Yousef get bomb training from him, there will not be enough time in John Doe #2's lifetime to kill as many White and Black Americans as the 11 million Native Americans he feels the Euro-North-Americans and Black Americans killed when they murdered women and children all across North America, stealing North America from "the First People". John Doe #2 had a payback agenda when he designed and supervised the building of the Murrah bomb. John Doe #2 had a pretty good idea of how much devastation that truck bomb would cause in Oklahoma City April 19, 1995. Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols wanted a statement. John Doe #2, wanted mass murder.

Of course it would be better if Interpol had a leak and the name of John Doe #2 got out. He's not impossible to find, although Native Americans don't have the same border passport checks in many parts of the USA that other Americans now suffer. The US State Department actually puts the name of John Doe #2 into their security bulletin sent out to almost all the country security forces the USA feels are on "our" side. This security bulletin asks countries that wish to cooperate with the USA, to let the USA know when any "persons of interest" enter their country, where they stay, and where they go after they leave. Here is an example of the return message from the Philippines Security Department to the USA for the year 2000.

This story was printed in The Manila Times, the official agent in the Philippines that releases government information.

USA Lists 25 Int'l Terrorists Who Regularly Visit RP (Republic of the Philippines)

United States intelligence officials have released the names of 25 international terrorist suspects believed to have slipped in and out of the Philippines in the last four years.

American sources, who refused to be identified, also said the US Border Patrol and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) are on the alert for these persons.

Christopher Hamel, American; Michael Colleto, American; Michael Abbott, American; Mark Anthony Finnigin, American; Clifford Mogg, American; Andreas Strassmeir, German. Sharon Toval, Israeli; Michael Hararior Harare, Israeli; Don Wassall, American; Ronney Lee Atkins, American; Mahylon Andrews, American; Ron Tyler, American; Kadar Kareem, undetermined; Zacarias Moussaoui, undetermined; Chris Chapula, American; Donovan St. Claire, American; Daniel Spiegelman, American; Craig Wesley Hasseltine, American; Juan Garcia Abrego, Maxican; John Bangerter, American; Hashem Alhussaini, Iraqi; Al Husseini Hssain, Iraqi; Mark Strum or Strumm, American and Mysterious German.

Due to delays in reporting from the Philippines to the USA (pre-Homeland Security consolidation) this list published by the government Security Agency press in the Philippines, lists the names of of these "persons of interest" who were in the Philippines during the years 1998-2001. We now recognize some names like "Zacarias Moussaoui, undetermined" (nationality) and "Andreas Strassmeir, German". But the name of the real John Doe #2 is also on that list, along with drug traffickers, arms dealers and other criminal types like money-launderers or smugglers. The FBI would like John Doe #2 to get a bullet to the brain, as long as John Doe #2 did not keep extensive notes (he did). So while one branch of the USA government is searching for master bomb builder John Doe #2, the FBI denies he exists. Know any publishers willing to take the risk to publish my book now?

Here's a link to a Wall Street Journal report on both the Jayna Davis and Laurie Mylroie investigations into the OKCB and WTC bombings:

Seven weeks after the bombing, Ms. Davis's KFOR television station began broadcasting a series of reports on a possible Middle East connection. It did not name Mr. al-Hussaini, but did include photographs of him that digitally obscured his face. Mr. al-Hussaini sued for libel and defamation, denying any association with the bombing. In November 1999, U.S. District Court Judge Tim Leonard dismissed the lawsuit.

Citing defense contentions Mr. al-Hussaini's counsel failed to dispute, the judge ruled that Ms. Davis had proved that Mr. al-Hussaini "bears a strong resemblance to the composite sketch of John Doe #2," including a tattoo on his left arm, that he was born and raised in Iraq, that he had served in the Iraqi army, and that his Oklahoma City employer had once been suspected by the federal government of having "connections with the Palestine Liberation Organization."

In her book, "The War Against America: Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks," Laurie Mylroie says that the bomb was designed to topple the North Tower into the South Tower and envelop the scene in a cloud of cyanide gas. Hearing the case, Judge Kevin Duffy agreed, saying that if the plan had worked, "we would have been dealing with tens of thousands of deaths." After the bombing, the FBI rounded up four Muslims who moved in extremist circles in the New York area. Three others escaped overseas: a Palestinian, an Iraqi named Abdul Yasin, and Ramzi Yousef.

Ms. Mylroie's book argues that Iraq was complicit in this attack. At the very least, she notes, Saddam Hussein is harboring a wanted terrorist: Abdul Yasin. He came to the U.S. six months before the Trade Center attack and is charged with helping mix chemicals for the bomb. Picked up in an early sweep after the bombing, he talked his way out of an FBI interrogation and turned up back in Baghdad.

None of this is "hard evidence," let alone "conclusive evidence," that Saddam Hussein was complicit in Sept. 11 or any of the other domestic terrorist attacks. But there is quite a bit of smoke curling up from various routes to Baghdad, and it's not clear that anyone except Jayna Davis and Laurie Mylroie has looked very hard for fire. We do know that Saddam Hussein plotted to assassinate former President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait in April 1993. Could he have been waging a terror offensive against the U.S. ever since the end of the Gulf War? This remains a speculative possibility, but a possibility that needs to be put on the table in a serious way.

If you haven't read either book suggest you get copies and see just how much has been left out of the 'official' reports, and the lack of investigation from our Maggot Media.

Follow Up to some of the comments and questions about my post here and my book!

First, thank you to the people who read my post here, and also to those who wrote comments. I especially want to thank the person who posted the correct link to my reference website earlier. Please excuse me when I say that I did not post the wrong link to my book page intentionally. I was rushing too much and put in http://www...etc for the link that freerepublic required. I did not catch this error when proofing my post. The correct link should be:

http://waiting4johndoe2.tripod.com/book.html

I guess I wasn't clear about a few things. I wasn't in the USA from April 15, 1995 until April 26, 1995. I was in France and England. I cannot comment on what Jayna has said in her book, except to say that the guy she seems most focused on to be John Doe #2 was detained in the USA during that period. I like the book by David Hoffman, "The Oklahoma City Bombing and The Politics of Terror". The post by nunya bidness on this forum, 6/15/2002 at 4:21:07 pm has a very large number of quotes from this book. The eyewitness reports that seem consistent (including one that turned into one of the John Doe #2 drawings) are listed below.

begin quotes "That same day, or possibly the following day, Debbie Nakanashi, an employee at the Post Office across from the Murrah Building, saw the pair when they stopped by and asked where they might find federal job applications. It was Nakanashi who provided the description for the well-known profile sketch of John Doe 2 in the baseball cap."

"Accompanying McVeigh was a short, stocky, handsome man, of either Mexican or American Indian descent. The man closely resembled the FBI sketch of John Doe 2, they said."

"The passenger in the pick-up was dark skinned with black hair, average height, and had a "real muscular build," she said. He was wearing a t-shirt and sun-glasses, and "looked just like the John Doe 2 sketch." end quotes

There is a helpful drawing of John Doe #2 further down in the comments to this (my original) post. The difference is this. I personally saw this guy, and he looked nearly exactly like the drawing below, so I don't really need to ask other people who saw him. I saw him because I was helping out a fellow-American, by using more than an hour of my time, sitting 3 feet away from him, in the crowded office of a small hotel, translating for him while he tried to get a very specific hotel room 2 nights, April 20 & 21, 1995. The hotel manager who was 4 feet away, directly across a desk, is also more than positive the guy in the drawing below, is the guy who registered at the hotel that night in the middle of a sleeting ice storm (check the weather for Reims the night of the 20th).

But best of all neither the hotel manager/owners or I had to consider whether we were right about matching the drawing picture, showing in the comments to my post, with the person we saw April 20 and 21, 1995. (I actually saw him twice because JD#2 asked for directions to the local market and I saw him buying wine there on the 21st.)

When the Interpol flying squad and the French 6th Division Judicial Police arrived in town, the Interpol Investigative Detective Director just told us outright, the guy we met, was the guy who was the supervising bomb designer/builder for the Oklahoma City bombing. This detective had informants in the Frankfurt, Germany Neo-NAZI sub-culture and he said that these Neo-NAZI groups were waiting to assist this bomber, so Interpol was waiting for John Doe #2 to arrive. It's true that Interpol was thrown off completely when John Doe #2 made his way to the American Servicemen's Cemetery in Reims, instead of going directly to Frankfurt. But after regrouping, Interpol took off to chase this suspect again.

The French 6th Division Judicial Police spent the next few days after the Interpol detectives took off, canvasing the town, interviewing witnesses, writing the final reports, doing surveillance on the streets surrounding the hotel and acting as body-guards for the key witnesses. The FBI liaison agent (or Special Agent he didn't specify) who worked in the US Embassy in Paris told me how he was arranging for me to do interviews with other FBI agents "the minute I was back on American soil", and how I was to make those contacts.

The Interpol people had expressed grave concerns about the safety of the hotel owner/managers and myself, because of how dangerous they considered JD#2 to be. The hotel owner/managers asked me to promise not to reveal who they were. Bombings are a real threat over there and Frankfurt isn't that far from Reims. The Interpol detective director had suggested that I might be better off, talking to my congressional representative first about this matter and then the press. At the time it didn't register with me that he wasn't suggesting I talk to the FBI. But now I understand why.

The French 6th Division Judicial Police had a completely different point of view, maybe because they do the legwork on the ground when these types of investigations happen. Those French agents suggested I write a book. They were already having me help them with the reports from people in the town, translating American idiom into French. So since I had all these interview reports etc. they thought a book would be easy. The French counter-terrorism police also didn't think I should depend totally on the FBI. Again, I was gung ho to help the FBI. America had been attacked and I just wanted to help.

I DID interview with the FBI when I returned,...twice. They seemed more intent on changing my story than taking good notes on what I was telling them. Eventually I figured out I had to write the book. Rep. Charles Key in Oklahoma got one of the first drafts in 1996/97. Of course I didn't realize the FBI didn't want it known they had bozo'd the part about letting the key bomb builder get out of the country, it might have confused the McVeigh trial.

It's well known now that the FBI DID issue an arrest warrant for murder against Andreas Strassmeir, and Andreas barely escaped from the USA. It wasn't possible to get him back to the USA because the FBI wouldn't guarantee that Andreas wouldn't be up for the death penalty. Now if there are people out there who successfully connect Andreas Strassmeir to an Islamic terror group, then Jayna may have a link to my story. An FBI arrest warrant for murder is pretty serious, so I assume they know Andreas Strassmeir is involved in the Oklahoma City bombing with certainty.

But I've seen the person calling himself Chris Chapula (as listed in the US State department's list of "persons of interest"). He looked like the first John Doe #2 drawing so much, it really IS scary. Now as to who is Chris Chapula, that's still up in the air. The FBI says he doesn't exist. The US State Dept wants to know his movements in foreign countries. Shotgun News had his address in 1994 listed as:

209 Rambling Oaks Drive

Moore, Oklahoma (a suburb south of Oklahoma City)

This may have been a mail drop for Chris Chapula, but it is close enough to the Murrah bombing area to be odd. In any case the 2 FBI agents whose interviews with me, didn't get to any of the defense attorneys for the convicted bombers, Allot of other connections between Andreas Strassmeir and the Oklahoma City bombing are on the web page link at the top of this post.

PS: I'm still seeking an agent and book publisher.

Thanks to all, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com

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