Return to the Real Mass Murderer Known as John Doe #2, Tim McVeigh/Terry Nichols were dupes

I'd like to thank PeaceBeWithYou for adding my book to the thread about John Doe #2, and the Hoffman book about the Oklahoma City Bombing. The only concern I have is that PBWY thought perhaps the Midwest accent I referred to in my book was Chicagoan. Sorry PBWY, think more like Decker, Michigan or Flint, Michigan. Good question about the American servicemen's cemetery in Reims, France, Interpol is wondering about the same thing.

But here is the post from PBWY, which I will use to head up my own post. Sorry it took me so long to reply to the original thread, but I was concerned enough about gays in the military that I spent some time contacting former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen'l Pace (an outspoken man if there ever was one), and then medical events slowed me down (we all get old eventually). But now I am back and you'll notice part of my thread further down, refers to just about the time that PBWY, posted the reply about my book.

Checkout the discription given for JD2 bottom third of page...an American, with a Midwest American accent(Chicago?), 21-26 years of age (in 1995)(would be 28-33 now), approximately 5 feet nine or ten inches tall weighing between 175 and 190 pounds. The suspect was very muscular, with bushy eyebrows and hair which was naturally very dark or black (like Hispanic or Native American hair). He traveled with a US Passport and used a Hispanic-American name. The suspect had very prominent, full lips and he walked with an athletic gait and longish strides for a person only 5 feet nine or ten inches tall....see link for continuation.

Sounds like an interesting book, will have to see if a local library has a copy.($150.00 is a little steep;-)) 134 posted on 06/15/2002 7:52:11 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou

Now to my thread, a response from the author Tom T Gradeczek, Let's string up these murderers the way our dad's strung up the NAZI bastards with Nuremburg Trials after WW2.

I would like to thank whoever it was that dug up the information about my book. Since I was circulating the book with agents and publishers, I set the price of the book purposely high. I couldn't allow it to be said that I was restraining the availability of the book, lest I lose control of my own work.

Since there were copies at the Library of Congress (4 copies actually, the 2 original copyright copies plus the 2 additional "update" copies, I knew it was possible to get a copy if it was important to anyone. It turned out to be quite important, and now it may be difficult to get any copies of the original book. Luckily there is quite a bit of additional information that has become available. State Rep Charles Key R-Oklahoma City got one of the first drafts of my book and mentioned it often to the investigators working for the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee trying to get justice for so many who died. My thanks to Jim Grace, a hard-working investigator for the OBIC.

My biggest problem has been that for some reason (joke), literary agents even mildly interested in getting a book deal for "Waiting For John Doe #2", get intimidated by the Feds, and publishers get the same pressure. So the book has been effectively suppressed.

The reason this book gets suppressed is that it describes 2 interviews between FBI Special Agents and I. One interview was with Special Agent John Campuzano, who was, during the weeks immediately following the Oklahoma City Bombing, the FBI Director-in-Charge of the Tri-State Anti-Terrorist Task Force (New York, New Jersey and Conn) and took place on April 26/27 (depending on what time zone you were in; I was still on GMT). The second interview, on Sunday, May 1, 1995 was with FBI Special Agent Joseph Twardowski, who was at the time, the FBI Special Agent Director of the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation.

These 2 VERY high ranking FBI Special Agents were directed to interview me by their superiors (who at the time were FBI Director Louis B Freeh and FBI Asst. Director Larry Potts, of Ruby Ridge fame/infamy). The information taken by the 2 Special Agents who interviewed me should have been forwarded to Stephen Jones the defense attorney for Tim McVeigh, but they never sent any of this information to anyone defending Tim McVeigh or Terry Nichols. For 2 FBI Special Agents, with so many years experience to take the risk of being indicted for the crime of suppression of evidence, on such a high profile crime, could only have happened because higher-ups were pressuring them to do so. In fact those 2 FBI Special Agents spent most of their time suggesting to me that I should change my story, or perhaps I was fuzzy on the facts. That was hardly possible because I had taken notes the entire time I was being interviewed by all the Interpol detectives involved (excepting the Investigative director in-charge who surprised me)

Another reason that the book gets suppressed is because the Interpol Director who swept into a small town near Reims, France by helicopter with a "flying squad", positively identified the person he was "hunting" as the suspect John Doe #2 from the Oklahoma City Bombing. This Interpol Investigative Director had numerous drawings, and even photos of JD#2. His explanation was that this bomber was the person who actually designed and set up the truck bomb with the assistance of Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. The lead Interpol detective mentioned how JD#2 had extensive experience building battle reenactment explosive devices and had been at the 1994 Normandy Invasion battle reenactment (with Bill Clinton, Francois Mitterand and Helmut Kohl as additional bystanders).

Since the Interpol detective had informants in the Frankfurt, Germany Neo-NAZI sub-culture waiting for JD#2 after the Okla Bomb attack, he also knew this JD#2 suspect was willing to sell his bomb-making expertise to anyone willing to meet 3 criteria (#1 absolute secrecy about the identity of JD#2 under penalty of death [and he meant DEATH, as a true sociopath means DEATH], #2 sufficient financing for JD#2's bomb conspiracy needs, #3 that the bombing damage JD#2 would help wreak, be directed at Americans or the American government, such was JD#2's hatred for the people who stole North America from the Native Americans and then committed genocide against Native Americans.

So why did all of this get my book suppressed and as well, all of this information and more was redacted from papers the FBI was required to send to both Congressmen Dan Burton's and Dana Rohrabacher's House Committee's investigation of FBI cover-ups over the Oklahoma City Bombing? The reason is the NAZI connection. This entire plot would have made FBI Director Freeh and Asst Director Potts look like boobs, and after Waco and Ruby Ridge it would have likely destroyed both of their careers. German GSG-9 counterterrorism liaisons in contact with the FBI warned Andreas Strassmeir that the FBI had an arrest warrant for murder being processed on Andreas Strassmeir (for his involvement in the Oklahoma City Bombing plot). This warrant was ready and in the hands of FBI agents who were going to try to arrest Andreas. Andreas Strassmeir did eventually escape the USA, through Mexico with the assistance of former CIA operative David Holloway.

Interpol isn't some huge octopus police force. It operates with the cooperation of all the police forces of the world who participate in Interpol's data gathering. Although there may be Interpol detectives present when an arrest is made, it is usually the police of the local country who make the official arrest.

It is no coincidence that Andreas Strassmeir, Kirk Lyons of Black Mountain, North Carolina and John Doe #2 are all involved in the battle reenactment environment. It's also no coincidence that just before the bombing, there were telephone calls made to both Andreas Strassmeir and Kirk Lyons on McVeigh/Nichols' telephone credit cards.

*Andreas Strassmeir and John Doe #2 would have been a huge embarrassment to Louis Freeh and the FBI, right at the time when Freeh was helping Kenneth Starr go after Pres. Bill Clinton. Having the credibility of Freeh damaged fatally, and creating a huge distraction for the USA , so no one would pay any attention to the Monica Lewinsky story, would have been counterproductive to Freeh and Potts.

Andreas Strassmeir had diplomatic immunity. He had access to many of the highest levels of the FBI because he was a former member of Germany's GSG-9 Counter-terrorist group. And just as importantly, Andreas' father, Gunther Starssmeir was the First Secretary of the ruling party in Germany and second in authorities to only Chancellor Helmut Kohl at the time. Gunther Strassmeir was the guy who convinced Helmut Kohl to send out books justifying the NAZI period in Germany to all Kohl's friends, associates and political helpers.

Gunther Strassmeir was ex-Hitler Youth and Gunther funneled millions of Deutschmarks into Germany's WW2 battle reenactment clubs under the guise of the Dept of Tourism, so thousands of German battle reenactment NAZI's could strut around like NAZI SS, spouting NAZI philosophy, and pretending to be in the service of Hitler. This was the only legal way in Germany to display NAZI items and NAZI military propaganda in 1995. As well, the German military (Bundeswehr) trained the battle reenactors so the reenactment explosions would be huge and realistic, while not injuring the reenactors. Andreas Strassmeir was in the USA from 1987 until 1995 arranging the Oklahoma City Bombing. Andreas was pretending to spy on white supremacists for the US gov't, while he was really helping to arrange to murder hundreds of people in Oklahoma City.

So how many reasons are there for the FBI to redact all the information about the real John Doe #2 out of the info they passed on to 2 Congressional committees, How many do you need? Brenda Nakanashi (her description in the Padilla thread on this website matches mine perfectly), Dana Bradley, Barbara Whittenberg (whose security tape in that diner has never been returned because it would clearly show who John Doe #2 was. In fact the "photos" I was shown by the Interpol detectives may have been taken from her security tape), the people at Elliott's Ryder truck rental and even the pawn/gun-store owner Pat Livingston, who recently came out about John Doe #2, THEY ARE ALL CORRECT in their descriptions of John Doe #2 (It is not a form of mass thought transfer that's for sure). John Doe #2 had the motivation as a part Native American to help kill as many non-Native Americans as possible. John Doe #2 had the ability with his extensive training by German military explosives experts and experienced battle reenactment staging people in Gettysburg. John Doe #2 had access to the specialty det cord harnesses used to time explosive sequences to thousandths of a second, as well as all the other bomb making items required. John Doe #2 had Tim McVeigh as his vehicle to build the truck bomb and take the fall, creating the perfect opportunity for the Oklahoma City Bombing Crime (mass murder). John Doe #2 also had an escape route through Germany's Neo-NAZI subculture, money, and battle reenactment connections with Kirk Lyons and Andreas Strassemeir.

The Interpol detectives tracking John Doe #2 through eastern France on his way to the American battlefield cemeteries, in Reims and then on to Frankfurt, Germany were quite up front about extreme danger presented by John Doe #2. They were more concerned about how many SWAT team members would be required when they finally caught up with John Doe #2 (outside Germany of course where Gunther Strassmeir was effectively the German Vice President and could stop any German police action). This detective was concerned about how many police would be killed or injured trying to capture this very dangerous American bomb-builder/trainer.

So this also explains why Tim McVeigh went "almost" silently to his execution and Terry Nichols remains mum even today. They all have people they really believe would be murdered if the name of the real John Doe #2 was revealed by them. All of the people like McVeigh and Nichols know John Doe #2 would kill someone like Josh Nichols (Terry Nichol's son), like we'd smack a mosquito. I MEAN TERRY NICHOLS REAL-L-LY believes John Doe #2 will murder without the tiniest concern. John Doe #2 believes no matter how many Americans his bombs murder, or how many people like Ramzi Yousef get bomb training from him, there will not be enough time in John Doe #2's lifetime to kill as many White and Black Americans as the 11 million Native Americans he feels the Euro-North-Americans and Black Americans killed when they murdered women and children all across North America, stealing North America from "the First People". John Doe #2 had a payback agenda when he designed and supervised the building of the Murrah bomb. John Doe #2 had a pretty good idea of how much devastation that truck bomb would cause in Oklahoma City April 19, 1995. Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols wanted a statement. John Doe #2, wanted mass murder.

Of course it would be better if Interpol had a leak and the name of John Doe #2 got out. He's not impossible to find, although Native Americans don't have the same border passport checks in many parts of the USA that other Americans now suffer. The US State Department actually puts the name of John Doe #2 into their security bulletin sent out to almost all the country security forces the USA feels are on "our" side. This security bulletin asks countries that wish to cooperate with the USA, to let the USA know when any "persons of interest" enter their country, where they stay, and where they go after they leave. Here is an example of the return message from the Philippines Security Department to the USA for the year 2000.

This story was printed in The Manila Times, the official agent in the Philippines that releases government information.

USA Lists 25 Int'l Terrorists Who Regularly Visit RP (Republic of the Philippines)

United States intelligence officials have released the names of 25 international terrorist suspects believed to have slipped in and out of the Philippines in the last four years.

American sources, who refused to be identified, also said the US Border Patrol and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) are on the alert for these persons.

Christopher Hamel, American; Michael Colleto, American; Michael Abbott, American; Mark Anthony Finnigin, American; Clifford Mogg, American; Andreas Strassmeir, German. Sharon Toval, Israeli; Michael Hararior Harare, Israeli; Don Wassall, American; Ronney Lee Atkins, American; Mahylon Andrews, American; Ron Tyler, American; Kadar Kareem, undetermined; Zacarias Moussaoui, undetermined; Chris Chapula, American; Donovan St. Claire, American; Daniel Spiegelman, American; Craig Wesley Hasseltine, American; Juan Garcia Abrego, Maxican; John Bangerter, American; Hashem Alhussaini, Iraqi; Al Husseini Hssain, Iraqi; Mark Strum or Strumm, American and Mysterious German.

Due to delays in reporting from the Philippines to the USA (pre-Homeland Security consolidation) this list published by the government Security Agency press in the Philippines, lists the names of of these "persons of interest" who were in the Philippines during the years 1998-2001. We now recognize some names like "Zacarias Moussaoui, undetermined" (nationality) and "Andreas Strassmeir, German". But the name of the real John Doe #2 is also on that list, along with drug traffickers, arms dealers and other criminal types like money-launderers or smugglers. The FBI would like John Doe #2 to get a bullet to the brain, as long as John Doe #2 did not keep extensive notes (he did). So while one branch of the USA government is searching for master bomb builder John Doe #2, the FBI denies he exists. Know any publishers willing to take the risk to publish my book now?

To:TXnMA

I hope you got the corrected link to the web page, I haven't heard from you as to whether you did get this link or not.

http://waiting4johndoe2.tripod.com/book.html

I understand you authored 65 pages of the OBIC Final Report. So you know who Jim Grace is. I only spent 9-10 hours on the telephone with him, trying to explain some of the things I have listed in the posts here on Free Republic, about how 2 very high ranking FBI Special Agent Directors (now I've been using the real names of these SAs because my lawyer and I think the statute of limitations may have run out on any problems they might have for having withheld witness reports from the McVeigh and Nichols defense teams), about how I was told outright by Interpol (who showed me photos and 3/4 and slightly elevated headshot views) the JD#2 suspect I met was the person they said assisted in designing and building the OK City truck bomb.

Jim said the OBIC investigators including himself had interviewed witnesses who had seen this same John Doe #2 suspect "muscling" a large pallet with a tangle of cables (perhaps cannon fuse or det cord) and various other bits and pieces, from a large storage locker into the back of a Ryder truck similar to the one used as the holder of the truck bomb in Ok City, a day or so before the first sighting of the Ryder truck at the Best Western and Dreamland Motels and the sightings of John Doe #2 at the Dreamland.

The second Ryder truck seen in various places just a few days before the bombing including one night at the Best Western, and one night at the Dreamland Motels BEFORE, Tim McVeigh (Bob Kling) rented the truck that eventually blew up in OkCity, makes perfect sense. No one experienced at handling explosives like the ones used in Ok City, would build a bomb into a truck hundreds of miles from its eventual detonation point, without having a similar truck as back-up. In addition the truck carrying the det cord harness, and possibly other bomb making materials that would be in a Ryder truck driven up to Kansas to build the bomb, would have made the ideal back-up truck to the one carrying the bomb.

Here is what I don't understand. How is it that Interpol was willing to tell civilians like the owners of the hotel JD#2 stayed at (at least according to the Investigative Director from Interpol who wanted certain information), and NO helpful law enforcement or State Dept., or even foreign government law enforcement people would help OBIC by simply getting copies of the photos the Interpol and French 6th Division Judicial Police had showing various angles of this bombing suspects face, head and body so they could show them to various witnesses who were found in Oklahoma and Kansas?

Once the French hotel owners called a high ranking officer friend of theirs in the French Gendarmeie, Interpol people showed up quickly and said they already had at least 24 hours advance notice that one of the bombers from 36 hours earlier was on his way to the Neo-NAZI subculture in Frankfurt, Germany (The Gendarmerie in France is a sort of military police organization, where putting down union riots cannot be done by local police, since the local police may belong to the same union as the rioters. The Gendarmerie fills this roll and many others. They don't patrol streets except during riots, they don't ticket cars or respond to domestic violence and they don't even investigate murders unless the murders are widespread across France, but the Gendarmerie has many special military powers, SWAT teams and they have barracks/prisons/armories in every major city in France.)

Obviously once the Gendarmerie officer took the info from the hotel owners and Interpol was notified, they tracked the suspect back from Northeastern France to his arrival point at an airport (likely in Paris). The French airports have hundreds of cameras, and once they pinpointed this bombing suspect's arrival gate, Interpol would have had dozens of really clear photos or police artist drawings from video footage. I told Jim Grace myself that the Interpol investigators showed me a bunch of drawings that were not of the same type as the John Doe #2 (1st and 2nd) drawings. Even those drawings would have been sufficient for the Oklahoma and Kansas witnesses to identify much more precisely, this bombing suspect.

If you look at my book pages and the links on them, you will see that many of the links are from European investigative reporters. Contact with European news reporters would have allowed someone in the OBIC to get their hands on thee Interpol drawings and photos. Another thing I can't believe is that Interpol, The French 6th Division Judicial Police, The 2 FBI SAs, and Jim Grace all heard me telling them that this John Doe #2 suspect arrived in France with 2 very interesting things. #1) He was wearing, from the minute he arrived, a commemorative souvenir T-Shirt from the Normandy Invasion battle reenactment that Clinton, Mitterand and Kohl attended in 1994. That T-shirt came from a tour operator in Gettysburg who sent many American tourists to Normandie for this reenactment. The idea that an experienced battle reenactment explosives handler would go to the Normanie D-Day reenactment is pretty reasonable. When, during the hour plus of time it took for me to translate for the hotel manager, because this bombing suspect wanted a specific hotel room that the manager really didn't want to give him, I asked the guy outright, "I'm a photographer, what do you do?" His answer was that he "handled explosives", and later he added that "it was exciting and interesting, and he really enjoyed doing it, as much as he possibly could." NONE OF THAT CAME AS THE LEAST SURPRISE TO THE INTERPOL DETECTIVES. In fact, the Interpol detectives said they already knew this (fact).

#2) This JD#2 suspect carried 2 duffel bags that seemed to be military issue (not surprising because he wore a new, Army fatigue outer jacket and US army olive green pants to go with his Normandy D-Day reenactment T-shirt). I really liked the look of the 2 duffels (both marked "Delta D", a triangle and an upper case letter "D"), so I asked him where he got the duffels. He said he bought most everything he used at gun shows from surplus dealers. Tim McVeigh was in Delta D in the Army at Fort Riley. The duffels had books in them (or notes about all the US Gov't or FBI guys this bombing suspect had met [joke]), because sitting in such a close space, I bumped these duffels a few times with my feet. It seemed like books.

So how is it OBIC got no new drawings or photos of the JD#2 suspect? Did OBIC track down all the Normandy D-Day reenactment tours to look for this name? Who was living at 209 Rambling Oaks Dr in Moore (which is really part of Oklahoma City) in 1994 and 1995? Did OBIC send investigators to Europe either before or after the FBI made it known they were trying to arrest Andreas Strassmeir for murder or at least conspiracy to murder by bombing the Murrah building? My various web pages describing my book and the facts I was willing to put on those web pages, have had hundreds of thousands of hits, with about 50% of the hits originating in Germany (I like those hit counters that will designate the originating country of the search engine or server that made the connection to my previous web pages), but I never got one inquiry from OBIC or anyone connected to OBIC after I finished my telephone interviews with Jim Grace.

Maybe Terry Nichols did have contact with Islamic terrorists, I don't know. But the things I know about the John Doe #2 suspect, Andreas Strassmeir etc. have never changed or been explained in any way except that this American with a 99% resemblance to the first John Doe Number 2, was described by 2 European law enforcement groups as the guy who designed and helped assembled the Oklahoma City truck bomb. Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols would never have known how to build a truck bomb like the one used in Oklahoma City. The cup-shaped array of explosive containers designed to go off first to direct and focus the blast of the second (main) set of explosive canisters, followed very shortly after by the explosion of the second set of canisters that were directed towards the Murrah building, was a very precision double detonation bomb. The second detonation had to occur soon enough so the explosion of the first group of canisters facing away from the Murrah building wouldn't materially disrupt the array of the second set of canisters, allowing the majority of the force of the second set of canisters to be focused and compressed and directed right at the front of the Murrah building. This second set of canisters couldn't be detonated before or at the same time as the first set of canisters or most of the blast would have focused straight up, or equally out in all directions, or even, away from the Murrah building. This requires precision timing within tens of thousandths of a second, plus exceptional alignment of all the explosive canisters. ONLY A VERY EXPERIENCED EXPLOSIVES HANDLER COULD HAVE ASSEMBLED A TRUCK BOMB LIKE THIS and neither McVeigh or Nichols had this kind of experience.

I find it hard to believe that if 6 years and thousands and thousands of hours were put into the OBIC Final Report, no one thought of the things I am posting now. I am not saying OBIC didn't do good things, but finding this mass murderer and connecting him conclusively to Andreas Strassmeir, before someone puts a bullet into JD32's head, seems it should have raised some of the questions raised here. Perhaps Jose Padilla somewhat resembles the first JD#2 drawing, but get your hands on the Interpol drawings/photos made of the JD#2 suspect who arrived in France about 24 hours after the bombing and you'll see a 99.9% resemblance.

TomTGradeczek, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com

author of Waiting For John Doe (Number Two), (how a former Hitler Youth successfully arranged mass murder through a terrorist attack on Oklahoma and America).

To TXnMA and others at OBIC

Your hearts were in the right place but your heads were in a dark place.

I was in NYC when the first World Trade Center truck bomb went off. I was down on Orchard Street chatting with friends when all of a sudden there was thunder and the ground shook like an earthquake and bits of glass, garage door bolts, concrete chunks, car parts and various metal hunks came raining down out of the sky on me, and my van. Unlike the thousands of New Yorkers who were streaming away from the blast site, I grabbed a camera and headed towards the blast site, fighting a tide of panicked humanity. I saw the huge mushroom cloud of smoke heading for the sky near the twin towers and I only hoped there would not be a collapse of the world's tallest buildings (at the time).

It turned out it was that crazy Sheik Khalid who masterminded the explosion. Islamic terrorism had come to America.

So when the Oklahoma City bombing occurred, it seemed like almost everyone was interested in blaming Islamic terrorism somehow. It was great PRESS. It pushed exactly the right buttons to scare America. When I talked with Jim Grace about the explanations I had been given by Interpol about the Ok City bomb designer, he bluntly told me, to this effect; the OBIC people are looking to find their theory that it was Arab terrorists somehow involved with this bombing. We probably won't follow up on what you've provided us with.

So I set aside what I felt and hoped that some sort of real resolution would come out. But it never did pan out that Islamics were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.

On the other hand, in Europe, there were many, many investigators interested in my web pages and my story. They live with NAZIs all the time. Talk to a Scotsman who has lost a grandfather, a couple of uncles, and a variety of other family members to NAZIs in WW2 and Lockerbie and flight 103 notwithstanding, it's NAZIs they want to kill the most.

Where is perspective about who has MURDERED the most AMERICANS during the last 100 years, in America today? NOWHERE (although my dad and my uncle who fought in Europe during WW2 still remembered the German death camps in 1995.

If we look at who has nurdered the most Americans during our history, have to eliminate the millions killed in the USA's own Civil War here, so let's try to determine the "numbers of murdered Americans" in the last 100 years. Maybe I'm an old fart, but this gives me perspective.

The top killers of Americans in the last 100 years are #1) The Japanese Imperial Army and their mercenary helpers, #2)The NAZIs of WW2 and their helpers, #3)The north Koreans and CHINESE, #4)The North Vietnamese and the CHINESE, and then maybe because of the Twin Towers 9/11, #5) Islamic terrorists. So at the bottom of the list (Please Remember the 4000-5000 killed at Pearl Harbor alone, not counting the Japanese Death March etc.), we have Islamic terrorists

Maybe 7,000 Americans have been murdered/assassinated by Islamic terrorists in the last 20 years. It's a terrible thing, but don't lose perspective. If Brits and Scots still remember NAZIs, then what about the French who have Algerian terrorists everywhere. At Christmas Eve time 1994, Algerian terrorists hijack an airliner, and in Marseilles they tried to fuel up completely to "escape". But to where??? Eventually the 6th Division Judicial Police in France decided the hijackers were going to crash their hijacked, fully fueled plane into Paris (sounds just like 9/11 doesn't it???). So this group of ultra-SWAT police posed as refuel maintenance men and in 8 seconds blew the doors on the plane and killed 8 terrorists. I know one of those 6th Divisions Judicial police. He was my bodyguard for 2 days.

One of the things that this 6th Division Police agent showed me was a restaurant/bar for NAZI's. In France after WW2, the political party of the French Fascist Brownshirts who had collaborated with the German NAZIs in France and become NAZIs whenever possible, was called the Collabos (The Collaborators). The Collabos have gotten as much as 35% of the total presidential election votes in France. IN OTHER WORDS, there are so many many Facists and NAZI collaborators in France (particularly after WW2) that they have protection in numbers. If collaborators with the NAZIs in WW2 were found in the USA the 50s (and they weren't rocket designers) we executed them, justly.

But in Europe in the 50s there were too few men to rebuild Europe and fight the Communists, so NAZI killers were allowed to live in peace. But that doesn't mean those NAZIs forgot about how American bombers helped bring Germany to its knees.

But Americans conveniently forgot about how, if Scotmen still hate NAZIs more than any other group for the amount of killings NAZIs did to Scots, Germany was far away, and HOW MANY GERMANS WOULD REMEMBER IT WAS AMERICA WHO TURNED THE TIDE AGAINST THEM IN WW2, BRINGING DOWN HITLER, AND KILLING MANY A GERMAN FAMILY MEMBER? I'd say millions of Germans who liked NAZIism, would like many Americans to die horrible deaths, like their German grandfathers and uncles, and aunts etc. were killed by American bombs and bombers.

So why didn't this all resonate when Interpol told me that John Doe #2 was an explosives expert, trained and experienced in the battle reenactment environment, who designed and assembled the truck bomb used in Oklahoma City? The OBIC people didn't want to hear anything about anything that didn't involve Islamic terrorists. HOW F***ing Myopic and unable to look at other possibilities can you get?

TomTGradeczek, tomgracezek@lycos.com

author of Waiting For John Doe (Number Two), (how a former Hitler Youth successfully arranged mass murder through a terrorist attack on Oklahoma and America).

Tex I do not know why barrels, Tim McVeigh supposedly sketched into a drawing showing how the bomb Should look in the truck, aren't mentioned in any reports, or don't seem to have been found. My opinion is that the real bomb designer nixed the idea.

The real bomb designer would have wanted the initial detonation to focus the second (main) detonation, to "point" the main (second) blast wave right at the front of the Murrah building.

If it's timed right, not only is the power of the secondary (main) detonation fully projected in the direction of the front of the Murrah building (which as a large, structurally flexible target, would then "accept" the incoming main (second) blast, ripping the entire facade from its internal skeleton), but the initial detonation would have been following right behind the secondary (main) detonation, only temporarily delayed by the effect of the second detonation.

So when the second (main) detonation blast wave ripped the facade/skin of the Murrah Building from its skeleton attachments, the first detonation wave came behind a few milliseconds later and picked up the "debris wall" that was now loose from the second blast wave (the one that reached the building first) and it probably lifted the entire front facade of the Murrah building and threw it back at the Murrah building like a huge sledgehammer.

With a blast created by amateurs (like the 1994 Twin Towers truck bomb), the Murrah windows would have blown in, the facade would have loosened, the facade could have broken free and might have fallen like a curtain straight to the ground. But to make a bomb that took the facade of the Murrah building and rammed it back into the building itself as an immensely destructive sledgehammer force of its own, requires a master at building explosive devices. Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not masters at building explosive devices.

And why all the mystery about how Terry Nichols had tens of thousands of dollars stored away in his kitchen BEFORE he went to the Philippines, and there seemed to be no real shortage of cash for the bomb builders? People who have access to millions of Deutchmarks of funding for the WW2 battle reenactments in Germany, would have no trouble raising money from wealthy ex-NAZIs (although it is unlikely that once a NAZI, you ever become an ex-NAZI in your heart of hearts), to fund a project, that would strike a blow at the very heart of America and bring the terror of war to America, the way the NAZIs thought America brought the terror of war to Germany in WW2.

Why didn't Americans (AND OBIC IN PARTICULAR) realize in 1995, when Andreas Strassmeir had an FBI arrest warrant out for murder, that he had BEEN THERE SINCE 1987. Here was a college trained, former member of the German elite GSG-9 counter terrorism group, and son of the First Secretary of Germany (second only to Chancellor Helmut Kohl in authorities), hanging around doing next to nothing in the USA for 8 years before his escape back to Germany. Why wasn't America informed that within 10 years of the end of WW2 the Bundeswehr needed to be rebuilt as a buffer against Communism and the general staff at that time came from the ranks of former NAZI officers in Hitler's army? By the time Gunther Strassmeir was getting to one of the highest positions in the German government, German ex-NAZIs were regaining their financial positions and power, while America was bogged down in Vietnam. With Nixon looking to Asia, and then Carter having numerous other problems, Gunther Strassmeir could fulfill his 4 dreams:

#1 Put Europe under the economic domination of Germany the way Hitler had planned. The EEC accomplished that.

#2 Re-unite Germany. Gunther Strassmeir is known as "The Father of German Re-unification for putting that together.

#3 Rehabilitate the image of Nazism and NAZIs in general AND make NAZIs a force within Germany again. Gunther had been a Hitler Youth for a long time (nearly a decade). The way to restore NAZIs was to re-install as many former NAZIs back into positions of authority, particularly in the German military. As a high ranking government official Gunther was well placed to promote this. By reducing the power of internal investigators trying to "out" former NAZIs, he took the spotlight off of former/current NAZIs so they could rejoin the network of NAZIs in German government, the military and business.

#3 cont. To polish up the tarnished image of the NAZI military Gunther Strassmeir funneled millions of government Deutschmarks into the German battle reenactment clubs under the guise of "increasing tourism". This allowed non-military German who wanted to be NAZIs to dress up like NAZIs and strut around like they really were "The Master Race". With the training of German military personnel, and the guidance of many German battle reenactors, Neo-NAZI thugs were given the means and the targets allowing them to murder thousands of Kurdish, Turkish, and other Middle Eastern refugees (mostly women, children and the elderly), who were regularly fire-bombed in the refugee centers in Germany. Gunther Strassmeir achieved this dream by rehabilitating the image of NAZIs in positions of authority, and in publicity for battle reenactments, while using the Neo-NAZI subculture to strike fear into the refugees and other groups Nazism has traditionally tried to exterminate.

In fact Gunther Strassmeir was the person who distributed hundreds of copies of books justifying Nazism in Germany for Christmas one year, On behalf of Chancellor Helmut Kohl, creating numerous protests in Germany and abroad. Gunther Strassmeir never became an EX-NAZI, he was NAZI through and through til the day he died. Thus he was always an enemy of America, with his own NAZI agenda.

#4 Gunther Strassmeir's final dream item on his wish list, was to strike a deadly blow into the heart of America, for siding with Britain and helping to destroy Hilter. Germans are sure they could have sued Britain for peace if the USA had not entered WW2 on Britain's side. By the middle 1980s when America was becoming more and more multi-cultural, it was becoming more of everything that Gunther Strassmeir hated. So with the correct indoctrination of his son Andreas, a project was launched, where Andreas would find the people in the USA who could be directed to murder their own countrymen as surrogates for Gunther.

#4 cont. For years Andreas buddy-ed up to whoever might know who the most violent, murderously capable and insanely fanatical people were in the USA. Andreas had not only diplomatic status and access to US government departments like the FBI, he could play up to both the people investigating hate groups in America (like the Southern Poverty Law Center staff), to get information on who were the worst of the worst. Or, once the American fanatics were identified, Andreas could act like the white supremacist he really was. Eventually Andreas Strassmeir found the tools he needed in Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

#4 cont. With the assistance of Kirk Lyons whose grandfather had been one of the founders of the German NAZI party), Andreas slowly developed these 2 and a few others, but nothing was going to make these guys into expert bomb builders. Andreas and Gunther Strassmeir didn't want a loud firecracker of a statement, they wanted real death and destruction to come raining down on middle America. So being big battle reenactment fans themselves, Andreas Strassmeir and Kirk Lyons found an experienced battle reenactment explosives rigger. They may have even gotten John Doe #2 further training in the run-up to the Normandie D-Day battle reenactment in 1994. The culture of terror that envelops the lives of Americans today got it's biggest boost in 1994/1995. It's been terrible for America, but it must have pleased Gunther and Andreas Strassmeir no end.

TXnMA it's hard to imagine that neither you or anyone else at OBIC checked out the words in quotes "John Doe #2" on Google or any other search engines. My book web pages were prominent, which is why the info about the book and the link was posted here, on Free Republic, in 2002 (although it had been available online since 1999). I'd like to thank Free Republic and the person who posted the info again.

When I get a message from you like the one below, I have to wonder why OBIC walked around with blinders on, only willing to see witness reports if the words "Islamic terrorists" were involved. ANYONE WITH A GOOD REASON TO HATE AMERICA SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSPECT AFTER THE Oklahoma CIty Bombing took place. The Grand Jury was limited by time and was under the influence of the prosecutors. What was OBIC's problem?

Original message by TXnMA regarding Re: Return to the Real Mass Murderer Known as John Doe #2, Tim McVeigh/Terry Nichols were dupes received 08/17/2009 5:41:10 PM PDT

Have you read the OKBIC FInal Report? Do you have a copy?

If so, pay close attention to my Disclaimer on page 198.. Re-read it — and then get back to me about ”myopia”...I was not “myopic” I was focused on my area of expertise. There were lots of others doing “your” job...

However, I can truthfully say I never heard of you or your work — until this FR thread. (Have you changed name in the interim?) If I had been aware that (if) you had web pages available, I would have scoured them for any clues as to bomb construction, etc. And, I certainly would have paid attention to any mention of a guy with expertise in det-cord timing harnesses.

Here is my reply

But first let me clarify that TXnMA is not solely responsible for overlooking the obvious here. He was a bomb making expert looking at the bomb itself. Everyone at OBIC was being myopic. My reply follows.

The book copy I sent to Rep Charles Key was in the name I use here. The discussions I had with Jim Grace (you do know that Jim Grace was one of the OBIC;s investigators, right?) used the name I use here. Please confirm this question I've asked you a few times now. I can't help it that OBIC was so unwilling to look at any witness reports that didn't include the words "Islamic Terrorist", that they couldn't even try to look at any other possibilities. The FBI arrest warrant for Andreas Strassmeir should have signaled something to you guys. And when Stephen Jones sent a negotiator to Europe to get a statement from "the bystander who was in the truck with Tim McVeigh" why didn't THAT signal something to you guys? If this is the first time you've ever heard of me, then OBIC filtered out huge amounts of information that should have been in the report.

The FBI may have had their own agenda, and reasons why they didn't pass on the witness reports they had about John Doe #2 in Europe (and NOT just mine, read the sample chapter in the web pages about my book) but, OBIC shouldn't have had such a closed mind. The JD#2 suspect I met, trains people to build effective explosive devices. How many Americans has his expertise killed in the last 10 years? Yes I have a copy of The Final Report. Disclaimers are meaningless. This report is so "Not Final" it's ridiculous. Read my posts about how well designed this truck bomb was and then try to fit either Tim McVeigh or Terry Nichols into that scenario as the bomb designer.TTG

TomTGradeczek, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com

author of Waiting For John Doe (Number Two), (how a former Hitler Youth successfully arranged mass murder through a terrorist attack on Oklahoma and America).

Normally I try to answer with as much completeness as possible, but I'll TRY to shorten this.

Thanks to PeaceBeWithYou, and TXnMA for their responses. But I'm here to give my take on Jayna's book. If she had just stuck to possible various possible people connected to Islamic Terrorists, who MIGHT have provided support to the Oklahoma City Bombers, while adding information about the bombing that would have come out later (her book was one of the last to come out), the book would have been fine.

But to justify herself as a star in the Oklahoma Bombing group of writers/reporters she had to stretch her credibility to the breaking point, so she could be the person who identified the real "John Doe #2", and he had to be an Islamic terrorist. That's where the book falls down and makes her look bad.

I don't recall her treatment of the FBI arrest warrant for Andreas Strassmeir. It is the only other arrest warrant issued for murder connected with the Oklahoma City Bombing that hasn't been dealt with. McVeigh and Nichols, needed an expert, with broad experience and training handling explosives. Someone working in an Olin dynamite factory is more the direction I would have gone in or something similar (used only as an example). "Paper" bomb building experts would bbe pretty much useless in a real-life situation like the Ok City Bombing.

I mean, get serious!!! The bomb builder would have to drive a giant bomb a couple hundred miles to its target. McVeigh might have been a dedicated, anti-government fanatic, BUT JOHN DOE #2 WAS SEEN GETTING OUT OF THE TRUCK BOMB TOO. Then we even have a witness who saw the two of them drive away at least some distance from where Tim McVeigh's car was parked. No bomb builder, who isn't sure of his work, would go with McVeigh from Kansas to OK City.

Once I realized that Jayna was totally ignoring Andreas Strassmeir's background, and she also disregarded the descriptions of people who saw John Doe #2 with Tim McVeigh as "possibly part Hispanic and/or part Native American", I knew Jayna was trying to win the big prize by excluding whatever information didn't fit her theory, about who John Doe #2 is.

Rep Charles Key had an early draft of my book, OBIC investigator Jim Grace spoke to me 3 times for perhaps 10 hours, and I've even contacted Jayna. Jayna should look at the airport photos and Interpol drawings made from the airport videos, of THE REAL John Doe #2 who was being chased in France and Germany in 1995. The resemblance to the first John Doe #2 drawing is so exact, it will take your breath away.

A small note about why the US State Department yearly notice to our friendly ally countries, hasn't been able to catch this bomb designer/maker. This yearly notice actually helps the FBI to continue the cover up. This notice of persons of interest, goes to Germany every year. For year Gunther Strassmeir was the Second most powerful elected official in Germany, right behind the Chancellor of Germany, Helmut Kohl. Each year when Germany got this request for information about persons of interest to the US government, he just passed that info on to his son, Andreas, and John Doe #2. So the FBI could then pretend to be looking for other OK City bombers, while letting the State department alert Andreas and JD#2 to the fact that the investigation is still ongoing. Total crap.

TomTGradeczek, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com

author of Waiting For John Doe (Number Two), (how a former Hitler Youth successfully arranged mass murder through a terrorist attack on Oklahoma and America) and read the second novel by TomTGradeczek, The Physics of Crime, coming soon.

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