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Four Democratic senators want to delay cap and trade bill (Obama and Pelosi running out of fuel)
dallas examiner ^ | 8/16/2009 | KJ Collins

Posted on 08/16/2009 12:55:58 PM PDT by tobyhill

Four Democratic senators want to put off the proposed cap & trade legislation. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad both of North Dakota are urging the Senate to delay legislation that puts caps on greenhouse gas emissions and instead, pass a narrow bill that sets requirements on the use of renewable energy.

Senators Lincoln and Dorgan are up for re-election in 2010 and are from states that would be hurt economically from a cap and trade bill similar to the one passed by the House in June.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D. NV) does not want to separate the climate and energy legislation. “I don’t think we are going to take to the Senate floor a bill stripped of climate provisions,” said Reid, quoted in Bloomberg.

Getting the required 60 votes in the Senate could be a challenge for the Democrats. Most Republicans have stated that they oppose it. Fifteen Democrats say the House version would hurt the economy and needs to be amended before gaining their support.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alaska; US: Arkansas; US: California; US: Nebraska; US: Nevada; US: New York; US: North Dakota
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1 posted on 08/16/2009 12:55:58 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Sounds like the Botox lady is starting to worry about her political future. She may end up with a pink slip and having to hit the streets looking for a real job.


2 posted on 08/16/2009 12:57:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: tobyhill

This bill should be DOA. It should never see the light of day.


3 posted on 08/16/2009 1:01:03 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

I agree. Stealing money from the wallets of Americans under the guise of ‘saving the planet’ is hateful and despicable. Those people should be in jail.


4 posted on 08/16/2009 1:05:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: tobyhill
They are seeing that the push back on the so-called "health care" question has to do with much more than just its name, and they are correct.

However, it is time for those who engage, to elevate the debate to the point where the media cannot distort it as being just "ignorance" (as Katie Couric claimed yesterday). The Gibbs and Axelrod talking points cannot trump the forcefulness and truth of the words of America's Founders on liberty vs. tyranny (see Jefferson's words below).

Edmund Burke, before the British Parliament way back in March 1775, observed the colonists' fierce "spirit of liberty." He said:

"In other countries the people . . . judge of an ill principle in government only by an actual grievance; here they anticipate the evil and judge of the pressure of the grievance by the badness of the principle." He said Americans could detect "misgovernment at a distance and sniff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze."

James Madison put it this way, "The freemen of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much, soo to forget it."

Any Republicans or Democrats who "compromise" for the sake of popularity now on this important principle involving future generations should be recalled at the next election cycle!

This is not about a frivolous question of which provisions are acceptable and which are unacceptable. This is about a power struggle between the principles the founding generation were willing to stake their "lives, property, and sacred honor" for, and those who, throughout the history of civilization have arrogated unto themselves power over other people's lives.

The current "issue" called "health care reform," or its equally obnoxious semantic twin "health insurance reform," is just the invasion of liberty by arrogant elected officials which has finally aroused citizens who, heretofore, ignored the decades-long power grab by those who were supposed to protect "We, the People's" constitutional principles.

Now, citizens are seeing that it is a matter of "principle," not an issue of semantics over wording.

They should not allow their elected representatives to be coopted by "blue dogs" or any other "wolf in sheep's clothing" that would allow what may turn out to be the most important watershed moment in the history of American liberty to be further threatened. Now, Conrad and Sebelius, and others, sensing the voter mood are throwing out "compromise" talk this weekend, all to punt for better position down the road. Seize the moment for the sake of posterity and just say, "no"!

A word from the author of our Declaration of Independence regarding citizens and oppressive government might give some backbone to today's citizens:

"The most effectual means of preventing the perversion of power into tyranny are to illuminate . . . the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that they may. . . know ambition under all its shapes, and . . . exert their natural power to defeat its purposes." - Thomas Jefferson

And, for more wisdom from the same source:

" . . . this is a tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sin and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia, which some philosophers. . . have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follws that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."- Thomas Jefferson

5 posted on 08/16/2009 1:06:09 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“She may end up with a pink slip”

Everybody needs to send this witch an envelope with a pink slip inside with the words “you’re fired.” A pink slip from a post-it-note (sp?) pad would do just fine.


6 posted on 08/16/2009 1:08:25 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas

I guess her fundraiser didn't go so well on Tuesday night!

7 posted on 08/16/2009 1:08:40 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: tobyhill

DELAY!?! Taxman-Malarkey needs to be flushed down the toilet.


8 posted on 08/16/2009 1:08:43 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: tobyhill
A better option would be to work on a national Renewable Portfolio Standard while also:

- set a "NPS" or nuclear portfolio standard for 20%+ more nuclear power

- encourage new "clean coal" fired power plants

- open offshore and ANWR oil/gas exploration

- encourage new refinery/LNG expansion/construction

- encourage new construction to relieve transmission constraints

In other words, a bi-partisan "all of the above" approach to more domestic energy production.

9 posted on 08/16/2009 1:09:09 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Great idea!


10 posted on 08/16/2009 1:09:25 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: tobyhill
All of these Democrats who voted in haste for these nutso bills had better start looking to their hole cards.

People are getting tired of the BS they have been passing. Urged on by Obama the boy president , they went nutso passing crap bills. The public has started to wake up and they had better wake up too.

Cap and trade is just plain stupid,especially in light of the fact that there is no Global warming. The next thing they had better do is start drilling for our own energy sources .

11 posted on 08/16/2009 1:10:20 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Sarajevo

The Rats will wait till after the 2010 elections to push this through and that’s why we need a couple more Senators to make sure they don’t get the 60.


12 posted on 08/16/2009 1:12:00 PM PDT by tobyhill (The Communist have taken over)
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This Kent Conrad must be immune to the enticements of the White House. In addition to opposing C&T, he also said Obama needed "more humility" with health care reform, and he wouldn't support single-payer.

Impertinence, or just responding to a very real threat of getting thrown out of the House by his constituents? Probably the latter.

13 posted on 08/16/2009 1:12:04 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: tobyhill; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; devolve
Ban Ki-moon warns of catastrophe without world deal on climate change
14 posted on 08/16/2009 1:12:08 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: tobyhill
Senators Lincoln and Dorgan are up for re-election in 2010

Make the COWARDS vote on it!

15 posted on 08/16/2009 1:14:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: freekitty

One can only hope.


16 posted on 08/16/2009 1:15:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Who would you want her replaced with, someone more capable?


17 posted on 08/16/2009 1:15:04 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: tobyhill

Senate Dems are working on Senate rule changes NOW to require only 50 votes, not 60, to pass anything they and Obama want...beware!


18 posted on 08/16/2009 1:15:50 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: tobyhill

Coming up for 2010, Phase 3 of Zer0’s Program To Destroy America:

“Comprehensive Immigration Reform”, (aka “Illegal Alien Amnesty”) Round III


19 posted on 08/16/2009 1:16:35 PM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: tobyhill

NO!! VOTE NOW!!! SHOW the people who you relly are!! Go down with the Obama ship!! PLEASE VOTE NOW!!!


20 posted on 08/16/2009 1:17:09 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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