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The Whole Foods approach to health care reform (a rational, workable alternative to Obamacare)
Mackinac Center For Public Policy ^ | 8/16/2009 | John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods

Posted on 08/16/2009 6:11:22 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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I started this thread so that intelligent FReepers can give their serious proposals as to how we can make our healthcare system better instead of this monstrosity we call Obamacare ( AKA PelosiCare).

You cannot fight something we nothing. You cannot just criticize without proposing something concrete.

The proposals given by the CEO of Whole Foods is a good start. If you disagree with some of his proposals, I'd like to hear your alternatives.

Ideally, we should keep this proposal within 100 pages so that people can read and understand it ( instead of the thousand page monstrosity being rammed down our throats by Congress ).

1 posted on 08/16/2009 6:11:22 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 08/16/2009 6:14:15 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some of what he says is smart but Whole Foods is liberal, over-priced and marginally good so, I’ll take what he says with a grain of salt.


3 posted on 08/16/2009 6:15:36 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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I’ll take what he says with a grain of salt.

Which one of his 8 proposals do you think will make our system worse off ? I'm not interested in his party affiliation, I'm interested in IDEAS and POLICIES regardless of whether the proponent is a GOPer or a Dem.
4 posted on 08/16/2009 6:17:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This is, by far, the best laid out plan I have yet seen.

Any chance of this going through? Only in my dreams. OK, now back to the real world. Sigh....


5 posted on 08/16/2009 6:17:39 PM PDT by The Californian (The door to the room of success swings on the hinges of opposition. Bob Jones, Sr.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ideally, we’ll shop at Whole Foods, eat a veggie-based diet, cut down on animal fats, take healthy supplements, exercise daily and NOT NEED much health insurance. Absolutely works for me. And I’m well over 65. Pun intended.


6 posted on 08/16/2009 6:17:57 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: SeekAndFind

My brother and I were talking about this kind of a plan tonight. I have heard of similar plans.


7 posted on 08/16/2009 6:21:42 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: The Californian
Any chance of this going through? Only in my dreams. OK, now back to the real world. Sigh....

If the GOP wants to win the battle of ideas, they should use this 8 points as a basis for adopting a plan ( similar to the 1994 Contract With America laid out by Newt Gingrich ).

They should then spend money on TV and the papers ADVERTISING it. This is a propaganda battle and if they want to win hearts and minds, they have to give an alternative proposal. YOU CANNOT FIGHT SOMETHING WITH NOTHING.
8 posted on 08/16/2009 6:21:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Not much of what he has proposed is new. Every item from high deductible policies to interstate insurance competition to tort reform has been proposed in the past.

And it has gone nowhere.

I don’t propose to have an answer why, but it might be that it is asking politicians on all levels to give up some control and power.


9 posted on 08/16/2009 6:23:38 PM PDT by Comstock1 (So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.)
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To: Comstock1

But, I should add that I like most of what he is saying.


10 posted on 08/16/2009 6:24:35 PM PDT by Comstock1 (So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Close the border, keep it closed, deport illegals and pass tort reform legislation.

Not a cure for spiraling costs but it’s a start.


11 posted on 08/16/2009 6:25:29 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The head of our public charity hospital (Grady) did an interview with a local radio station. He's opposed to health care, but he also had a suggestion.

Most of the '47 million uninsured' seem to show up at Grady, either at the ER or one of their free clinics. His suggestion was to fully fund the clinics and just let them provide health care to the indigent and working poor. They're doing it already anyway, but the cost is being passed on to paying customers, insurance companies, and the local taxpayers.

Anybody see a problem with this? Portable policies and HSAs for most folks, and public clinics for the people who can't afford that.

12 posted on 08/16/2009 6:25:42 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: SeekAndFind

These are the types of measures that make sense and one would expect the Republicrats in Congress would be focusing on implementing instead of the Marxist nationalization of the medical industry being perpetrated by the red sons of bitches in power.


13 posted on 08/16/2009 6:26:44 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You may be interested in the point number one of the article.


14 posted on 08/16/2009 6:28:21 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In my area, Whole Foods is called “Whole Paycheck”.


15 posted on 08/16/2009 6:28:48 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SeekAndFind

I didn’t see where he said anything about whole foods in the article. They sounded like good ideas to me.


16 posted on 08/16/2009 6:31:22 PM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: SeekAndFind

Bring back the pre-1986 medical deductions where we were allowed to deduct ALL medical expenses, not just the ones over a certain percentage of a persons/family’s gross (or net). As it stands, unless there has been a serious medical condition that year, no one can take advantage of that deduction.

If the deduction were reinstated, people would be more likely to pay for medical services, knowing at least that it would be deductible.


17 posted on 08/16/2009 6:32:00 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Yes: he’s MARKETING to stuck-up libs, giving them what they expect/want, AND making money off of it. Sounds like a capitalist to ME. . .


18 posted on 08/16/2009 6:33:54 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

He may very well be a Leftist, but each of his points are valid, with the possible exception of Medicare reform, as that one is vague.

If each of the others were inacted, our health care ‘problem’ would vanish.


19 posted on 08/16/2009 6:34:27 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Besides FDA and possibly the VA - get the Feds out of health-care completely, including Medicaid/Medicare and removing any tax benefits or penalties for corporate programs, self-insurance, etc..

In a transition period, turn over Fed Money for medicaid/medicare to the States on gradually declining basis over 5 years. Then let individual States decide if they want to raise taxes to maintain similar programs, and have more activist or less activist health-care programs. It would remove the most massive layer of bureaucracy (the Feds), reduce costs, and most important - provide a laboratory of best practices in 50 different states. Speed, adaptability and flexibility to change would also increase.


20 posted on 08/16/2009 6:34:34 PM PDT by PGR88
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