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Online Liberals Passing Around List to Justify Obamacare (Know Thy Enemy)
The Internet | 08/17/2009

Posted on 08/16/2009 11:38:22 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Two third (2/3) of the cost will be duly funded by addressing inefficiencies in Medicare and Medicaid, by cracking down hard on fraud, and by eliminating waste and abuse in these programs, which will save $465 billion over the next ten years.

Obama sent a separate bill to the house in July, titled "The Independent Medicare Advisory Council." It will freeze Medicare spending as of 2014, and...

"The kind of system changes you might expect from IMAC are suggested by the June report from MedPAC. Among other things, it proposes that Medicare take steps to penalize hospitals with abnormally high readmission rates for their patients, while allowing them to reward staff members for reducing those rates.

It also suggests experimenting with flat-fee payments for each patient hospitalized with certain common ailments, rather than the current open-ended billing for each test and treatment -- as an incentive to hospitals to control costs.

Obama's proposal almost certainly would accelerate change in the way health care is delivered -- and it might actually save money in the long run.

But Congress will have to decide if it is willing to yield that degree of control to five unelected IMAC commissioners. And Americans will have to decide if they are comfortable having those commissioners determine how they will be treated when they are ill."

Our New Medical Judges?

21 posted on 08/17/2009 1:52:23 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Note they do not know how supply and demand etc work. Once the price gets high enough, the market will take care of the problems. Of course, the govt keeps meddling (Medicare, S-Chip etc), which precludes the market taking care of the crazy costs. Republicans do not help by agreeing there is a “crisis.”


22 posted on 08/17/2009 1:57:06 AM PDT by PghBaldy (http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/06/president-obama-visits-wounded-troops.html)
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To: defconw

Ping!


23 posted on 08/17/2009 3:25:41 AM PDT by cibco (defconw - "Where do I get me a pheasant?" I got you one dear... {;0))
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To: defconw

Ping!


24 posted on 08/17/2009 3:25:41 AM PDT by cibco (defconw - "Where do I get me a pheasant?" I got you one dear... {;0))
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
17- QUESTION: Will rationing occur due to the fact that illegal aliens will not pay anything for their healthcare, and are there minority "set asides" in the bill for African Americans in terms of scholarships for the medical field, a quota of doctors and nurses who will be forced to work in inner cities and provide care, even if it is against their will? Is there a "Minority HealthCare Board" in the bill?

Answer: No. Everything is all chocolate rivers and rainbow skies. Everything will be free, and in fact, you will get paid $20.00 in cash, plus get a Golden Ticket when you visit the doctor. Oopma Loompas will perform all surgeries, and those will be free too. Minorities will get more care, but this is to even out years of oppressive discrimination against them, so have another Everlasting Gob-stopper and forget about it.


25 posted on 08/17/2009 3:35:40 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Gideon7

We need more of a response like this. A point by point response with the text of the legislation.

I also noted how they claim this will be paid for by premiums, yet the bill is some 1.(blah, blah)trillion dollars. 40 million into some trillion dollar number means my premiums will be how much? If I can’t afford coverage now other than catastrophic, how am I going to pay for it through the exchange?


26 posted on 08/17/2009 3:40:42 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

The 2nd part of question 12 is will this cover the cost of research, new technology, new equipment, training etc.


27 posted on 08/17/2009 4:02:35 AM PDT by buggy02 (Never take life seriously, nobody gets out alive anyway.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
3- QUESTION: What is the Exchange?

Answer: The Exchange is an online clearinghouse for all insurance plans. To be part of it and compete for customers, an insurance plan must contain a basic minimum of benefits as determined by the Health Choices Commission, established in the legislation.

All future health plans must originate in this 'Clearing House', which is really a choke point for mandating what kind of coverage you will be allowed to have. Here is what the bill really says:

SEC. 121. COVERAGE OF ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE.

a) In General- A qualified health benefits plan shall provide coverage that at least meets the benefit standards adopted under section 124 for the essential benefits package described in section 122 for the plan year involved.


SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

(a) Establishment-

(1) IN GENERAL- There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans.

(b) Duties-

(1) RECOMMENDATIONS ON BENEFIT STANDARDS- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall recommend to the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the `Secretary') benefit standards (as defined in paragraph (4)), and periodic updates to such standards. In developing such recommendations, the Committee shall take into account innovation in health care and consider how such standards could reduce health disparities.

(5) PARTICIPATION- The membership of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall at least reflect providers, consumer representatives, employers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in health care financing and delivery, experts in racial and ethnic disparities, experts in care for those with disabilities, representatives of relevant governmental agencies. and at least one practicing physician or other health professional and an expert on children's health and shall represent a balance among various sectors of the health care system so that no single sector unduly influences the recommendations of such Committee.


SEC. 124. PROCESS FOR ADOPTION OF RECOMMENDATIONS; ADOPTION OF BENEFIT STANDARDS.

(a) Process for Adoption of Recommendations-

(1) REVIEW OF RECOMMENDED STANDARDS- Not later than 45 days after the date of receipt of benefit standards recommended under section 123 (including such standards as modified under paragraph (2)(B)), the Secretary shall review such standards and shall determine whether to propose adoption of such standards as a package.

(2) DETERMINATION TO ADOPT STANDARDS- If the Secretary determines--

(A) to propose adoption of benefit standards so recommended as a package, the Secretary shall, by regulation under section 553 of title 5, United States Code, propose adoption such standards; or

(B) not to propose adoption of such standards as a package, the Secretary shall notify the Health Benefits Advisory Committee in writing of such determination and the reasons for not proposing the adoption of such recommendation and provide the Committee with a further opportunity to modify its previous recommendations and submit new recommendations to the Secretary on a timely basis.


203. BENEFITS PACKAGE LEVELS.

(a) In General- A qualified health benefits plan shall provide coverage that at least meets the benefit standards adopted under section 124 for the essential benefits package described in section 122 for the plan year involved.


(b) Limitation on Health Benefits Plans Offered by Offering Entities- The Commissioner may not enter into a contract with a QHBP offering entity under section 204(c) for the offering of an Exchange-participating health benefits plan in a service area unless the following requirements are met:

(1) REQUIRED OFFERING OF BASIC PLAN- The entity offers only one basic plan for such service area.

(2) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF ENHANCED PLAN- If and only if the entity offers a basic plan for such service area, the entity may offer one enhanced plan for such area.

(3) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM PLAN- If and only if the entity offers an enhanced plan for such service area, the entity may offer one premium plan for such area.

(4) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM-PLUS PLANS- If and only if the entity offers a premium plan for such service area, the entity may offer one or more premium-plus plans for such area.

All such plans may be offered under a single contract with the Commissioner.

(c) Specification of Benefit Levels for Plans-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Commissioner shall establish the following standards consistent with this subsection and title I:

(A) BASIC, ENHANCED, AND PREMIUM PLANS- Standards for 3 levels of Exchange-participating health benefits plans: basic, enhanced, and premium (in this division referred to as a `basic plan', `enhanced plan', and `premium plan', respectively).


Items to note from the above:


28 posted on 08/17/2009 4:11:06 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Lancey Howard
Two third (2/3) of the cost will be duly funded by addressing inefficiencies in Medicare and Medicaid, by cracking down hard on fraud, and by eliminating waste and abuse in these programs blah blah blah...

If the Obama administration knows that much money is being wasted already, why hasn't the administration stopped wasting it before printing and spending more money the government doesn't have? They want us to trust them with more when they admit they can't be trusted with what they had?

29 posted on 08/17/2009 4:20:21 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Lancey Howard
Not to mention the insanity of requiring businesses of any size to provide health care benefits. Benefits are what companies use to compete with other companies for good workers- they aren't a "right," they are an incentive.
30 posted on 08/17/2009 4:25:40 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Gideon7

Now get a couple of forwarded copies and e-mail this back to those who received the original. The e-mail addresses are usually attached, too. That’s why I never forward junk mail. :)


31 posted on 08/17/2009 5:23:00 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Gideon7
The Exchange is an online clearinghouse for all insurance plans.

Massachusetts, as part of its recent required health insurance legislation, has one of those, only they call it the Connector. Wow, if MA has it, it must be a good idea -- right???

32 posted on 08/17/2009 6:20:45 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
450,000 US Doctors Support President Obama Health Care reform.

Pathological rat bastard liars!!! The demoRATs pull statistics & numbers at will out of their asses. Where do these numbers come from? The overwhelming majority of physicians OPPOSE 0bozoCare.

Same thing with "47 million" uninsured.... or is it 45 million? or is it 43 million? or 50 million? I have heard every one of these numbers from demoRATs & their media hacks. In all honesty when you factor out 12-15 million illegal aliens & 8-10 million (over $50,000 income) who deliberately choose to NOT buy health insurance and 8-10 million under age 30 now covered by SCHIP (1st legislation signed by 0bozo), you get to roughly 8 million who are chronically uninsured. So give them voucher payment for up to $5000 to buy their own insurance, enact the cost savings in Medicare & Medicaid that the dimWits claim they will, enact TORT malpractice limitations & presto 0bozo, the health care crisis is solved!!!

33 posted on 08/17/2009 7:55:13 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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34 posted on 08/17/2009 7:55:25 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Daniel II

[[“450,000 US Doctors Support President Obama Health Care reform.”]]

450,000 doctors have seen the writing on the wall and have concluded that they had better support o’s health care abortion or face losing their jobs


35 posted on 08/17/2009 8:11:21 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Lancey Howard

[[Two third (2/3) of the cost will be duly funded by addressing inefficiencies in Medicare and Medicaid, by cracking down hard on fraud, and by eliminating waste and abuse in these programs blah blah blah...]]

Translatyoion= we will make hte crappy medicare system even crappier, by refusign to allow tests that could save lives, find hard to discover diagnosis’ etc, and we will spend literally trillions of dollars ‘crackign down hard’ on fraud which would actauilly not cost as much as ‘crackign down hard’ on it would”


36 posted on 08/17/2009 8:13:31 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Lancey Howard

I don’t think it is very good propaganda. I can refute each and every point they make off the top of my head, without breaking a sweat, or needing to reference any other writers.


37 posted on 08/17/2009 8:16:06 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

yep, they push propaganda


38 posted on 08/17/2009 8:39:38 AM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: CottShop
450,000 doctors have seen the writing on the wall and have concluded that they had better support o’s health care abortion or face losing their jobs

450K doctors better take some pictures of those Jaguars and Mercedes in their parking spots because those days are long over for them if this passes.

Average wage of a doctor in Sweden....about 60k. So much for them there big egos, eh, docs?

39 posted on 08/17/2009 8:41:43 AM PDT by riri (http://rationaljingo.blogspot.com/)
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To: SkyPilot

If I don’t want Oompa Loompas to perform surgery on me, are there any other options? Does it make me a racist if Oompa Loompas give me the creeps?


40 posted on 08/17/2009 8:43:13 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, Mr. Obama, please don't kill my gramma! NO on socialist healthcare!)
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