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Voting with Their Feet (2000000 Americans Leave America)
National review ^ | 08/06/2009 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/18/2009 6:04:33 AM PDT by sr4402

If that's correct, I can't think events in 2009 will do anything to diminish the flow. What I wonder is: Where did those 2 million go? Britons, Canadians, Europeans, etc, who seek "greener pastures" generally wind up in the U.S. For most of us immigrants, this is the last stop on the tour: There's nowhere else to go. So where on the planet do a couple of million Americans go to find somewhere "greener"?

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KEYWORDS: atlas; atlasshrugged; emigration; marksteyn; shrugged; steyn; taxes
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To: sr4402
ISN'T THIS A GREAT COUNTRY!!!!! If you don't like it you can LEAVE! That is freedom. I remember the Berlin Wall (I actually lived in Germany in the 70's though not close to the wall). People were killed trying to LEAVE their country. I'm sure this author wants to make out like America is so bad people are leaving. Whatever. America is so good that YOU CAN LEAVE if you don't like it.

God Bless America: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

21 posted on 08/18/2009 6:22:31 AM PDT by politicalmerc (If Birthers are so silly, then why not show the BC and put them to shame?)
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To: sr4402
Are their any benefits to that?

Prior to 2008 US airline pilots had to retire at 60. Now they can retire at 65. I recall hearing that there were a lot of good pilots above those ages that got recruited to go to the middle east and India.
22 posted on 08/18/2009 6:22:46 AM PDT by posterchild (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable rights.)
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To: sr4402

Maybe they’re not filing.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 6:22:53 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: listenhillary

Wow, even to the same second. We must be psychotic!:)


24 posted on 08/18/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by posterchild (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable rights.)
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To: sr4402

One of my neighbors went to Chile because his earnings there would be less but will go much farther than here. The job market for welders here is weak. Skilled labor will seek work elsewhere when the economy fails locally. Florida lost people, many/most are the construction workers who find themselves without work due to the housing bust. No new houses means, no plumbing workers, no tile worker, no cabinetry worker, no landscape worker, no rug installers, no sprinkler installers, no pool construction, no pavers, et.al. Lose jobs = lose people. You don’t have to be a Genius to figure that out.


25 posted on 08/18/2009 6:24:50 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Palin/Meygn Kelly 2012)
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To: sr4402

After wealthy Americans leave the country to avoid oppressive taxes, who will pay for all the wetback’s medical bills, education etc.?


26 posted on 08/18/2009 6:25:13 AM PDT by safetysign
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To: posterchild

I guess milliseconds count. Your post showed up first.

Definitely psychotic.


27 posted on 08/18/2009 6:26:44 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: sr4402
Its taxes and more.

The strong ethical, work oriented culture in America, has been largely destroyed by secular liberalism and socialist policies. The dollar is rapidly becoming worthless.

There is not a problem in this country that does not have the 'gubmnints' hands all over it. Further they won't leave us alone.

This last election indicates to me, that the USA will not survive an ignorant electorate. We can thank the goverment "school" system for that.

My wife and I are looking at the possibilities and problems of emigrating. At this point we feel very threatened by the nonsensical, stupid, and ignorant policies of the ignoramus' who inhabit the seats of government. These are foul people who, if they can, will strip us of every Constitutional freedom.

Lastly, they are about to kill the geese laying the golden eggs, i.e. entrepreneurial spirit, capitalism, and individual achievement.

28 posted on 08/18/2009 6:29:20 AM PDT by Banjoguy (Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat party are among the enemies of The Republic.)
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To: safetysign

Socialism is a great plan until you run out of other peoples money to spend. After that point, it pretty much sucks and then we will truly become egalitarian and misery will be shared by all.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 6:30:15 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: listenhillary

My kids are both past state chess champions. When we talk about the hot issues in politics I tell them to think like a chess player. They need to think not just about their moves but about their opponents moves as well. Democrats do not do this very well.


30 posted on 08/18/2009 6:31:08 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: chimera
Another was a native New Zealander who simply went home.

Australia is a gun-grabber's socialist heaven. I wouldn't move there for anything. Also, the unions have really trashed that country. Somebody is always on strike wanting more tax dollars to line their pockets.

New Zealand is beautiful, but it is nearly impossible to immigrate into that country unless you are a native New Zealander like your friend.

31 posted on 08/18/2009 6:32:14 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Chile is very nice on my short list of places I would enjoy spending a few years working. Friendly people, modern first world capital city, healthy legal environment and good economic freedom, beautiful rural areas...


32 posted on 08/18/2009 6:33:43 AM PDT by posterchild (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable rights.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

That works until Obama’s unelected, unvetted Pay Czar retroactively seizes past compensation of executives or Bill Clinton retroactively raises income and corporate taxes.


33 posted on 08/18/2009 6:35:48 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: Western Phil
Some of these are airline pilots. Pilot training in the rest of the world sucks. The US produces too many pilots for here so there are occasional opportunities overseas.

Double benefit to training in the US. If I'm not mistaken, the language for international flights is English, even if neither the country of origin nor the destination mainly speak English. (Anyone know if that's changed?)

34 posted on 08/18/2009 6:36:54 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: sr4402

If Obumbler care passes, you will see more leave(Dr.). If they dictate what they think you should earn, more will leave. Pretty soon the brown shirts will be at the borders to stop people from leaving. Just like Hitler did.


35 posted on 08/18/2009 6:39:13 AM PDT by luv2ndamend (May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. — Samue)
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To: sr4402; AmericanInTokyo

Back to Japan is always an option...


36 posted on 08/18/2009 6:42:59 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: posterchild
I know that several years ago quite a few Americans were moving to central America after retirement. I don't know if that trend is continuing.
37 posted on 08/18/2009 6:44:04 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: sr4402

Where does one go? Well...I always thought the little two bedroom place that my folks went to in the Bahamas was a time share. My Mom died a little over a year ago and my Dad just turned ninety one and is in good health. When we were going over the estate I found out that they own that little place. They bought it over twenty years ago when prices were considerably lower. My wife died nine years ago and I’m ready to retire after thirty one years in post secondary education. We both have big houses that we don’t need, taxes that we don’t want, (no income tax in the Bahamas) and winters that we will remember but don’t wish to endure anymore. We’ve been transfering our money to the Bahamas a little bit at a time and talking about moving so....next Summer.


38 posted on 08/18/2009 6:45:50 AM PDT by Leg Olam (Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: sr4402
The link from Steyn doesn't lead to anything useful. I seriously doubt the number if it is supposed to be US citizens leaving the country permanently. Census used to have a "clock" showing births, deaths, immigrants and emigrants. Now it just shows "net migration" but older data implied numbers in the range of 25-200,000. If it is gross US residents (including legal aliens) I might believe it, but that counts every exec moving to Berlin to replace one coming home, every Korean student graduating and going home, etc. Without a solid link, I remain very skeptical. As Mark Twain said, "Such a large return of conjecture from such a small investment of fact?"

Of course, the political import of alleged increasing emigration is nothing new:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9907E7DD1739E43BBC4D52DFB767838A679FDE

39 posted on 08/18/2009 6:46:00 AM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: sr4402
Liberals have no idea how people respond to taxes

Just based on Obama's henchman, that's probably because they don't pay them!

40 posted on 08/18/2009 6:46:28 AM PDT by maryz
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