Posted on 08/18/2009 11:43:02 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
Thanks!
Oh, the 110 year old guy? LOL!
The religious/vampire/fantasy thing doesn't bother me in the slightest. But the "romance" here is frankly sick. I'm appalled that young girls find this type of exploitation of a damaged teenager by an older, very powerful man to be romantic.
I don’t think being a fantasy myth, it is all that different from any of them, except that the central tenet of the Christian gospel, is that Jesus shed His blood for our sins, that by “eating his flesh and drinking His blood”( that is personal participation in His sacrafice for us, by faith), we recieve the gift of eternal Life.The vampire myth also promises a kind of a state of immortality, and that by drinking other people’s blood. it struck me that Vampirism is an obscene parody of the Christian gospel of blood atonement.
I think its wonderful that the family stands by the sicko, because they are all so nice, ya know?
It's not "sick" it's...destiny! (heavy sigh)
Most people miss the real point of all this. It is not that vampire stories are horrible in of themselves - it is that the modern ones now make the vampires, who were always damned satanic creatures, into sympathetic characters. The modern interpretation of the vampire myth turns evil into good. Not only is that an extremely misleading thing to do, but it really takes the power out of the stories. They used to be epic battles of good against evil, and now they’re all teen-angsty soap-opera BS.
LOL :) But you still turned out fine. And, I bet that your husband found his perfect wife.
I get what you’re saying and to a certain extent I agree concerning “finding the perfect guy” etc. I found “my” perfect guy during college. He’s not perfect and neither am I. We’ve been married almost 20 years.
In the last book, he marries the booze and they live happily ever after.
LMAO! Hey, he’s gotta take part in some of this stuff, too ;) Actually, he’s entertained by the Harry Potter books and movies. More so than Twilight...especially the movie. When we watched, he couldn’t stop cracking jokes when he wasn’t falling asleep.
I’m not saying I disagree with you, by the way, I just am very uneasy about people who have not read something that they are criticizing.
Like people who criticized the Harry Potter series by saying the books claimed
“There is no good or evil, only power”
when it was the villain who said that and the sentiment was rejected by the protagonist over and over.
That kind of out of context statement drives a stake (pardon the expression) through the heart of the argument.
The Twilight series is pure teenage girl angst. It isn’t a particularly well written book, it has many moral slippery slopes, but it is very difficult to take a serious moral stand against it without a good working knowledge of it.
Just like magic in many fantasy books, vampirism is used a storytelling tool in the series. It has it’s own rules and internal consistancies. The moral lessons are set upon the foundation of rules that the writer constructs, and while in real life vampirism is evil, it is used as a neutral construct for telling the story.
I call Bella an insipid little twit. I LOL’d while reading some of the passages in the books. My kids did too.
And the guy, lead character, may be 110 yrs old but he looks like a teen boy.
Now THAT is a powerful criticism of the series, I agree!
I just finished reading the 4th book. I let my daughter read the series against my better judgment. If I had it to do over again, I would stand my ground.
Yes, there are some teachable moments in the books. That Bella and Edward abstain from sex until marriage is a good thing. However, Bella didn’t want to wait and would have had sex with Edward if he had decided to do so. Additionally, Bella makes it clear that she really doesn’t want to get married. Edward uses marriage as a way to prevent Bella from becoming a vampire right after high school graduation. Bella caves and marries him not because she believes in the sanctity of marriage but because that is Edward’s condition to turn her into a vampire. So while there is a good lesson about abstinence, marriage is treated as a roadblock to Bella’s desire rather than as a sacred institution entered into before God.
The other thing that troubles me about this series is that Bella’s entire life revolves around Edward. It’s more than just a simple, sweet love story. Bella practically worships Edward. I think it’s a bad lesson for teenage girls to show Bella being so wrapped up in Edward and seriously self-hating at times that she believes being with Edward makes her complete. I don’t want my daughter to think that a boy or a husband will make her complete. Only a personal relationship with Christ can fill the holes in one’s life. The book leads us to believe that Bella’s clumsy, sad life was preparing her for eternal life as a vampire - that she was born to be one.
Oh and I read those books as a teen and I didn’t turn out fine.
I looked for years for the “Perfect” guy. At 30 I realized there wasn’t one. Luckily at 34 my DH decided I was okay.
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Was it because of those books you read that you searched for the perfect guy? If the worst you did was that, I’d have to say you turned out in the top 1 percent.
Take vampirism out of the book and you have the same, lame story with the same bad decisions and bad lessons.
Just with worse marketing.
Looks like. But he is fully an adult man. An adult man who exploits a teenager who has been caretaking her parents who entire life, who is so happy to have finally found someone who can take care of her. And wants to care for her, obsessively- to the point of stalking her. This adult man who is CERTAIN that Bella will lose her soul if she becomes a vampire, but he can't resist her. He can't stop himself. He can't help it, you see, not because he's a sicko who needs therapy but because their relationship is destiny.
Hey, if we were all reading this book and having in depth discussions of how horrible Edward is, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the majority of people reading this book seem to think this is romantic and something to seek for.
I've discussed this book with a number of adult, female fans and not one of them disputes any of my points. They just excuse it because "it's just a book".
If people were lionizing Voldemort instead of Harry, I'd be disturbed about that too.
I agree. I am NOT disagreeing with that at all.
It is scary that so many of the modern churches think you can turn anything from the culture into a teaching thing...you can’t.
I don’t think you read my post. I said I object to the fact that this being used by some churches for teaching etc.
It shouldn’t be proclaimed by the church as a wonderful thing.
That said, I personally don’t have a problem with fantasy.
It’s a love story....that’s pretty much it. The teenyboppers like seeing the guy without his shirt on.
I made a point of reading it before my daughter did because of a concern expressed by one of the women at church. She was concerned that it might be a bit “too old” for my 11 year old, although she enjoyed it and had no problem with giving a copy to her 13yo granddaughter. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and am patiently waiting my name to come up on the waiting list at the library for the next installment!!!!
Unlike the Harry Potter series, the Twilight series has only appealed to the female youth at our church. HP appealed to all of the youth....well I should clarify that, they only appeal to the youth that actually read and at level above See Spot Run..........
It’s fiction, fairly well written, it causes them to think, and if it has them reading instead of playing video games or sitting in front of the boob tube -— I say YEAH!!!!!
I don’t see the need to dissect reading material in some attempt to twist it into something it is or isn’t.
Vampires were originally a personification of the fear of disease and infection.
I still haven’t figured how they became romantic, undead demigods. Even Dracula was pretty repulsive if you read the actual book.
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