Posted on 08/20/2009 12:30:40 PM PDT by IbJensen
Yes, the fundamental idea of a UN as a global forum isn’t necessarily bad. However, it has entirely been taken over by the left and the corrupt Third World (also usually Marxist) and is completely worthless by now. But then, we’ve seen the US, in the space of a few short months, move into that camp and start defending Islamic and Communist dictators and evil in the Middle East and Latin America and Asia.
I think the significant thing is that he says that it should be based on moral values, that is, Christian values but those that in a sense are common to all because they are part of natural law. That’s the whole difference.
The Pope believes in natural law; the UN and suddenly the US do not, and believe only in positive law, that is, laws made by states or people not necessarily based on natural law but reflecting things that those people or states find convenient at a given moment. This enables them to take a thoroughly utlitiarian view of human life, which is of value only to the degree that the state assigns it a value.
You first.
How far into the Encyclical are you?
Your integrity on this score is most admirable.
The paragraph remains a very sobering and sad declaration, to me.
NONE of the rationalizing, equivocating, explaining, white-washing etc. by the RC’s hereon has been in the least bit convincing.
Lipstick on a pig is still just a painted pig.
Global government regardless of how it’s dressed up and rationalized is still Biblically prophecied tyrannical satanic global government.
The Pope ought to be as many galactic clusters away from that as possible.
He’s clearly not.
NONE of his cautions etc. etc. etc. will last any longer than a fog in the Phoenix sun in July in the face of the AntiChrist’s demands.
It’s sheer idiocy to even pretend otherwise.
I gather you’ve not read the quotes ref’d in my tagline.
In this era, ignorance will be far from bliss.
Baloney.
It’s starkly clear in that paragraph that he is calling for a Global Government.
All the rest is window dressing and white-wash.
He’s talking out of both sides of his miter.
He can chide about the flaws of the UN up one side and down the other.
The bottom line remains . . . he’s advocating
MORE global authority.
Biblically, in this era, that
CAN ONLY GO ONE DIRECTION . . . STRAIGHT INTO THE SATANIC GLOBAL GOVERNMENT.
Whitewashing that fact is nonsense, duplicitous, disingenuous, foolhardy and probably willfully blind.
That key sentence is far tooooo UNambiguous for thoughtful freedom lovers to dismiss by a long shot.
The Pope is infallable in matters of Church Dogma as presented by the Holy Spirit and Morals. I believe that Satans curse of abortion is a good example of where the Holy Father is infallable
Don’t forget that old fly-in-the-ointment, The Desperately Wicked Heart Of Man, Benny. I think that might throw a monkey wrench into your New World Order.
I stopped pretending after the dust settled from Vatican II. I’m a Catholic, but I only attend mass in traditional Catholic churches and chapels.
I did read the article and his statements. They should serve as an embarrassment to practicing Catholics as they are larded with 'newspeak' and make no sense.
Parse that.
not to a lot of us, and moreover we don't want him ruling over us any more than we want 40 African nations ruled by China ruling over us, no matter what kind of social gospel or visions of humanity they're preaching. One world order is One World Order, it's antiChristian period
Probably a wise move . . . providing those characters and groups avoid making more of minor stuff than is Biblical or fitting.
INDEED.
TRUE! TRUE! TRUE!
LARDED with newspeak . . .
Too true.
I think I might put it . . . that . . . there’s the usual bureaucratic magicsterical gobbledygook-pontifical-royal-loftiness-theo-sliced-diced-mangled-massaged-speak
Actually, I’ve never seen those two posters before, but I do welcome their input. I just got pinged to this so I’ll just hang around and see what happens, LOL.
The Holy Roman Empire lasted from AD 800 to AD 1806. It wasn’t always holy, didn’t center on Rome, and was a federal empire instead of a centralized monocracy, but it was real, it beat back Islam, and it united Christendom for eight centuries. Get back to me when any democracy or republic beats that record.
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