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To: Poe White Trash
Wow. What Popper calls the “historicism” of Hegel and Marx at its purest.

please. I wouldn't know popper from topper.

Common sense, friend.

I'll bet you're anti-immigration, pro-tariff, etc. etc. because you think building a great big wall around the US is going to stop the rest of the world from marching on.

Only a hopelessly confused partisan can be so ignorant of history as to argue against the obervable fact that societies always organize into heirarchies, either benevolent or otherwise. It's as inexhorable, FRiend, as gravity, and about as inherently evil.

All the hyperbole in the world won't stop it from happening.

The Catholic has a role to play in the world around him. He understands that this is not his home, nor is his God's kingdom of this earth. He is about being salt and light wherever he is, under whatever circumstances he finds himself in.

Finally, if you're not Catholic, I wouldn't expect you to get this, although any "Christian" should: the Church is not a country. It is a kingdom of God within a kingdom of darkness. At some point the Catholic will have to choose between his country and your church -- not because the Church is against his country, but the tragic opposite. That's also an observable fact of history, and will be manifest without any ambiguity on the day when Christ returns, should you be so lucky to see that.

85 posted on 08/21/2009 12:10:49 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: the invisib1e hand
the Church is not a country.

Then why is the Vatican a separate country with its own police force?

88 posted on 08/21/2009 12:14:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: the invisib1e hand

>>> Common sense, friend. <<<

Malta, 1565: Common sense, dhimmi! The world-wide triumph of the Grand Turk is inevitable!

France, 1789: Common sense, Citizen! The world-wide triumph of the Revolution is inevitable!

Russia, 1918: Common sense, Comrade! The world-wide triumph of Scientific Communism is inevitable!

Germany, 1940: Common sense, mein Herr! The world-wide triumph of National Socialism and our Fuhrer is inevitable!

>>> I’ll bet you’re anti-immigration, pro-tariff, etc. etc. because you think building a great big wall around the US is going to stop the rest of the world from marching on. <<<

Actually, I can think of few groups of people I despise more than paleocons and their ilk. I’m pro-immigration, pro free trade. I loathe anti-semites and racists — which is to say that I think Pat Buchanan is a stinker. You lost your bet.

>>> Only a hopelessly confused partisan can be so ignorant of history as to argue against the obervable fact that societies always organize into heirarchies, either benevolent or otherwise. It’s as inexhorable, FRiend, as gravity, and about as inherently evil. <<<

Well, the Catholic Church is organized hierarchically (as are many church organizations — that’s why they call them “organizations”). Does that mean the Catholic Church is inherently evil? I don’t think so, and I doubt you do.

However, I must admit that I do not understand the significance of what you wrote here. Is there a point you were trying to make?

>>> All the hyperbole in the world won’t stop it from happening. <<<

Of course not, dhimmi. Oops, I mean Citizen. Oops, I mean Comrade. Oops, I mean ...

>>> The Catholic has a role to play in the world around him. He understands that this is not his home, nor is his God’s kingdom of this earth. He is about being salt and light wherever he is, under whatever circumstances he finds himself in. <<<

I fail to see how a Catholic’s role is to roll over and play dead when universal tyranny comes knocking at the door. That’s not being the “salt of the earth”: that’s cowardice. This isn’t to say that the Catholic must respond with violence; simply saying NO would suffice. Just say no to Caesar and the “global” empire — that’s the point I’m arguing for.

If BXVI is really arguing that the correct and Christian response to “globalization” is to hop on the globalist bus and try to steer it in a better direction, then I must definitely part ways with BXVI. I have no desire to adopt this response to globalization because I feel it hath no savor of Salvation in it — my own, or anyone else’s.

>>> Finally, if you’re not Catholic, I wouldn’t expect you to get this, although any “Christian” should: the Church is not a country. It is a kingdom of God within a kingdom of darkness. At some point the Catholic will have to choose between his country and your church — not because the Church is against his country, but the tragic opposite. That’s also an observable fact of history, and will be manifest without any ambiguity on the day when Christ returns, should you be so lucky to see that. <<<

I’m not a Catholic, but even if I were I don’t think I could make sense of what you are saying here. I honestly don’t see any connection between these words and the topic we’re discussing. Make sense, man!


180 posted on 08/21/2009 11:04:52 PM PDT by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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