Skip to comments.Lutherans adopt more open view on homosexuality (Godless ELCA)
Posted on 08/21/2009 4:14:25 AM PDT by IbJensen
MINNEAPOLIS, MN - Leaders of the country's largest Lutheran denomination have moved toward a more welcoming view of homosexuality.
Delegates of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, meeting in Minneapolis, approved a "social statement on human sexuality" that acknowledges differing views on homosexuality. It says the ELCA is strong enough to accommodate such differences.
Wednesday's vote was a prelude to votes scheduled Friday on whether to let people in same-sex relationships serve as Lutheran ministers.
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I switched to the Missouri Synod decades ago as I felt the ELCA was far too liberal for my views on faith.
The dead in Christ shall rise first.
gives new meaning to ‘nailed to the door’.
This is the beginning of the end for the Lutheran church, IMO. Heretics have taken over; there is no "adult" leadership.
Why is there such a need to do this? Do they so desire to open up their congregations to this silly crap? Christianity has a clear mandate and it looks even more foolish playing this game. There are only two valid relationships endorsed in the bible in both the new and old testament. Only celibacy and cleaving to one’s wife are biblical. You can not be a believer and endorse homosexuality or any other pseudo sexual relationship without endorsing a clear contradiction to your faith. Whether it be religious or secular the idea of a homosexual relationship is a contradiction and it should be seen even more so by those who do not believe because such relationships make an organism less fit, more prone to disease, with a shorter lifespan.
Those who believe accepting homosexuality and other ideas sourced from a hedonist/low/primitive worldview are proving they are faithless because faith has at its core the idea that through grace we are forgiven and that we can become more like Christ not simply resign ourselves to indulge the low beliefs no matter how popular of a sinful world.
"Silly"? You mean "amoral",don't you?
Let’s be sure if we talk about this story we qualify it as the ELCA...not the Missouri Synod. The posters are right on with their comments about homosexuality and Scripture.
Guess these people are finding a new meaning in Luther’s concept about the BACK SIDE OF GOD (being revealed in the cross).
15 years ago my wife and I swam the Tiber from the ELCA to the Catholic Church and have been greatly blessed ever since. For those in the ELCA or any other denominations who may be standing on the banks of the Tiber contemplating a swim of their own, I can only say "Come on in, the water's fine!"
What about the Wisconsin Synod? What is their stand on this issue?
I don't know who this "G_d" person is either. Do you mean "God"?
“If only these ‘leaders’ put as much emphasis on the church’s mission of saving souls and preaching the gospel as they do in destructing their church.”
....same thing with Presbyterian Church USA....is it any wonder that it has been in decline for years?
Good question. One reason is pressure exerted by a small but well organized group. Beyond that, I couldn't say.
Heretics long ago took over the ELCA, However there are synods that remains true to Christianity - The LCMS, WElS and a few smaller ones. Unfortunately, I’m beginning to think we will have to find something other than Lutheran to call ourselves - I want nothing in common with the ELCA, not even the name.
Is it the idolatry of the Mass that blesses you so, or is it the bogus priesthood (they have nothing to offer), or maybe it's just the worship of Mary that is such a thrill for you? Surely it is not the belief in faith+works for salvation that convinces you.
Salvation comes by faith alone, through Christ alone.
I am Jewish, but am (frankly) sick of these so called religious leaders [whatever their stripe] distorting their own religion. If they want to start a new faith, fine, but leave the rest of us alone. My breaking point was when our rabbi decided to bless same sex unions. I had tolerated his liberal rants on Shabbat and high holidays for years, but this was it for me. I left his congregation (as did maybe 1/3 of the others). For months afterwards I got phone calls and letters urging me to reconsider and professing puzzlement as to why this was so divisive an issue. One even went as far to tell me to drop the “hatred in my heart”. I wrote a letter back effectively telling them to pi$$ off. There are some issues where you just need to draw the line—compromise be damned.
Gay Priests and Gay Marriage
What the one issue has to do with the other.
The ELCA is not Lutheran. Using Jesus’s requirement, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly My followers (John 8:31),” they are not Christian. A church body that changes the teachings of the Bible is not a Christian church and should be avoided as toxic to one’s soul.
I agree. Though I prefer the word immoral.
The Tridentine Mass (pre-Vatican II) was and STILL IS a very quiet and dignified worship of God.
Mary isn't worshiped, rather she is venerated as a person of extreme worth who happened to give birth to our Savior.
Denigrating Catholicism and Catholics probably isn't a good idea because the 'faith' is truly over 2,000 years old and the first head of the Church was truly St. Peter. Only until the past 50 years has the Church turned off the light that served as a beacon, not only to practicing Catholics, but all Christians.
Not the most ecumenical comment ever posted.
Yeah, I wonder what they do with the Scriptures that roundly, in no uncertain terms, condemn homosexuality, as well as other sexual sins, as conduct that will damn a soul to hell. Do they just pretend they aren't there? Do they take scissors to their Bibles? What do they make of Paul's writings, which make up a bulk of the New Testament? Or do they twist and contort these passages out of all logic and common meaning to actually condone sodomy?
Ecumenism is a Christianity killer. Protestantism has, until very recently, roundly condemned and disassociated from the Roman church for eons and has still been blessed with God's approval and extraordinary visitations and moves of God's Spirit. This is a healthy "protest."
By my definition of the two words the difference is that an "amoral" person never,for a minute,feels the slightest amount of shame or remorse for immoral things that he/she does whereas an "immoral" person just might...somewhere down the road.How often to you hear anything that even remotely resembles shame,embarrassment or remorse from a practicing homosexual?
In the beginning...
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Why do you think the Presbyterian Church PCA was formed? It was because the USA body was giving money to Terrorists and for Abortions.
We have a completely pro-life plank and say NO to Adultery. The Westminster Confession and documents are celebrated and good doctrines (especially the Five Points of Calvin) are regularly discussed.
All are welcome for Worship, come and join us.
Well, that pretty much does it for me. I guess my wife gets her wish for me to convert to Catholicism.
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Could you sue the ELCA to force THEM to change THEIR name?
Heck, tell them to replace the “L” with an “O” - they might leap at the chance!
Our LCMS adult Bible study group was talking about this issue last week even though the assigned topic was something totally different. We were disgusted with the ECLA position on homos.
In a few short months it will not be the countrys largest Lutheran denomination.
The Liberal leadership wing of the ELCA have become their own Idols.
They think they are gods and they think they have made a name for themselves.
Think of the Tower of Babble.
Number one point I will state is - DO NOT PAINT ALL LUTHERAN CHRISTIANS WITH THE SAME BROAD BRUSH!
A vast number that were not there to vote are livid about this acton and they will be a splitting off.
Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ
1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Salvation comes by faith alone, through Christ alone.
Are you really interested in discussing these topics or were you just shaking your fists as the sky?
This happened to members in a Methodist congregation I once was part of, to those who questioned the creeping affirmation of homosexual behavior. One morning the pastor announced that the (almost all-gay) Strategy Committee had "decided that we would no longer emphasize the needs of traditional families." Can any true Jew or Christian imagine such heresy?
After walking out, I got a list of sins mailed to me, with "mine" highlighted in yellow marker. Threw it in the fireplace.
Jackals. I am so gone from there.
Yeah. At the end of the day, I think they were more concerned with losing my dues than with losing me. The way it going, we’ll all be creating our own religions in the same way we custom order PCs.
Wow. I was going to excerpt a few lines from this article here, but every single word of it is so powerful and so accurate. Thank you very much for this stunning analysis of the fundamental connection between the Church's acceptance of homosexual orientation among priests (with the expectation that gays will uphold vows of celibacy and fidelity in their priestly marriage to the Church) and the inevitable corruption of the heterosexual ethos within of the Body of Christ, and all of society.
Read the article at post 21, place it into the long sweep of history in which periods of corruption are inevitable, but have always been followed by periods of restoration, and then try to open your mind to the good advice given you in post 26.
You may not be aware of a Jewish tradition of not writing out the full name of God, as a token of respect and awe. That is why you sometimes see the initials "JHWH" to indicate the Hebrew name Yahweh (Whom Christians call Jehovah). Some Christians use the form "G-d" online as a polite courtesy because someone reading their posts may be Jewish, as on this thread; or they may do it from first principles of desiring to honor God in this ancient and harmless way.