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Lutherans adopt more open view on homosexuality (Godless ELCA)
One News Now ^ | August 21, 2009 | Staff

Posted on 08/21/2009 4:14:25 AM PDT by IbJensen

MINNEAPOLIS, MN - Leaders of the country's largest Lutheran denomination have moved toward a more welcoming view of homosexuality.

Delegates of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, meeting in Minneapolis, approved a "social statement on human sexuality" that acknowledges differing views on homosexuality. It says the ELCA is strong enough to accommodate such differences.

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Wednesday's vote was a prelude to votes scheduled Friday on whether to let people in same-sex relationships serve as Lutheran ministers.

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If only these 'leaders' put as much emphasis on the church's mission of saving souls and preaching the gospel as they do in destructing their church.
1 posted on 08/21/2009 4:14:26 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I switched to the Missouri Synod decades ago as I felt the ELCA was far too liberal for my views on faith.


2 posted on 08/21/2009 4:16:36 AM PDT by navymom1
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To: IbJensen
Lutherans keeping in line with scripture:

The dead in Christ shall rise first.

3 posted on 08/21/2009 4:25:15 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (My Rice Krispies told me to stay home & clean my weapons! How does one clean a phase 4 plasma rifle)
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To: IbJensen

gives new meaning to ‘nailed to the door’.


4 posted on 08/21/2009 4:25:32 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: IbJensen
Wednesday's vote was a prelude to votes scheduled Friday on whether to let people in same-sex relationships serve as Lutheran ministers.

This is the beginning of the end for the Lutheran church, IMO. Heretics have taken over; there is no "adult" leadership.

5 posted on 08/21/2009 4:27:12 AM PDT by olezip
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To: IbJensen

Why is there such a need to do this? Do they so desire to open up their congregations to this silly crap? Christianity has a clear mandate and it looks even more foolish playing this game. There are only two valid relationships endorsed in the bible in both the new and old testament. Only celibacy and cleaving to one’s wife are biblical. You can not be a believer and endorse homosexuality or any other pseudo sexual relationship without endorsing a clear contradiction to your faith. Whether it be religious or secular the idea of a homosexual relationship is a contradiction and it should be seen even more so by those who do not believe because such relationships make an organism less fit, more prone to disease, with a shorter lifespan.

Those who believe accepting homosexuality and other ideas sourced from a hedonist/low/primitive worldview are proving they are faithless because faith has at its core the idea that through grace we are forgiven and that we can become more like Christ not simply resign ourselves to indulge the low beliefs no matter how popular of a sinful world.

www.americansfortruth.com


6 posted on 08/21/2009 4:28:29 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Bigger government is not reform.)
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To: IbJensen
Another formerly Christian denomination gone atheist.There's a lot of that going around in the West these days.Pretty soon there’ll be the Catholics,the Southern Baptists and....well,that's about it.
7 posted on 08/21/2009 4:29:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Maelstorm
Do they so desire to open up their congregations to this silly crap?

"Silly"? You mean "amoral",don't you?

8 posted on 08/21/2009 4:30:59 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: olezip
True Christianity this is not! Another faction of Christians pealing further off into apostasy because they haven't the foggiest idea about the meaning of the word of G_d.
9 posted on 08/21/2009 4:34:25 AM PDT by Old Badger (After this sorry election, boy do opportunities abound!)
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To: All

Let’s be sure if we talk about this story we qualify it as the ELCA...not the Missouri Synod. The posters are right on with their comments about homosexuality and Scripture.

Mary/TX


10 posted on 08/21/2009 4:38:28 AM PDT by fourdny2 (God Bless The USA and GWB)
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To: IbJensen

Guess these people are finding a new meaning in Luther’s concept about the BACK SIDE OF GOD (being revealed in the cross).


11 posted on 08/21/2009 4:44:07 AM PDT by Bertha Fanation
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Pretty soon there’ll be the Catholics,the Southern Baptists and....well,that's about it. "

15 years ago my wife and I swam the Tiber from the ELCA to the Catholic Church and have been greatly blessed ever since. For those in the ELCA or any other denominations who may be standing on the banks of the Tiber contemplating a swim of their own, I can only say "Come on in, the water's fine!"

12 posted on 08/21/2009 4:47:21 AM PDT by Reo
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To: fourdny2
Let’s be sure if we talk about this story we qualify it as the ELCA...not the Missouri Synod

What about the Wisconsin Synod? What is their stand on this issue?

13 posted on 08/21/2009 4:59:54 AM PDT by good1
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To: Old Badger
because they haven't the foggiest idea about the meaning of the word of G_d.

I don't know who this "G_d" person is either. Do you mean "God"?

14 posted on 08/21/2009 5:02:07 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: Americas last, best hope for survival.)
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To: IbJensen

“If only these ‘leaders’ put as much emphasis on the church’s mission of saving souls and preaching the gospel as they do in destructing their church.”

....same thing with Presbyterian Church USA....is it any wonder that it has been in decline for years?


15 posted on 08/21/2009 5:04:24 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: IbJensen
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16 posted on 08/21/2009 5:05:07 AM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Maelstorm
Why is there such a need to do this?

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Good question. One reason is pressure exerted by a small but well organized group. Beyond that, I couldn't say.

17 posted on 08/21/2009 5:07:11 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: olezip

Heretics long ago took over the ELCA, However there are synods that remains true to Christianity - The LCMS, WElS and a few smaller ones. Unfortunately, I’m beginning to think we will have to find something other than Lutheran to call ourselves - I want nothing in common with the ELCA, not even the name.


18 posted on 08/21/2009 5:07:47 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Reo
to the Catholic Church and have been greatly blessed ever since

Is it the idolatry of the Mass that blesses you so, or is it the bogus priesthood (they have nothing to offer), or maybe it's just the worship of Mary that is such a thrill for you? Surely it is not the belief in faith+works for salvation that convinces you.

Salvation comes by faith alone, through Christ alone.

19 posted on 08/21/2009 5:08:21 AM PDT by good1
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To: IbJensen

I am Jewish, but am (frankly) sick of these so called religious leaders [whatever their stripe] distorting their own religion. If they want to start a new faith, fine, but leave the rest of us alone. My breaking point was when our rabbi decided to bless same sex unions. I had tolerated his liberal rants on Shabbat and high holidays for years, but this was it for me. I left his congregation (as did maybe 1/3 of the others). For months afterwards I got phone calls and letters urging me to reconsider and professing puzzlement as to why this was so divisive an issue. One even went as far to tell me to drop the “hatred in my heart”. I wrote a letter back effectively telling them to pi$$ off. There are some issues where you just need to draw the line—compromise be damned.


20 posted on 08/21/2009 5:08:30 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: massmike

Gay Priests and Gay Marriage
What the one issue has to do with the other.

http://www.nationalreview.com/03june02/kurtz060302.asp


21 posted on 08/21/2009 5:09:26 AM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: IbJensen

The ELCA is not Lutheran. Using Jesus’s requirement, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly My followers (John 8:31),” they are not Christian. A church body that changes the teachings of the Bible is not a Christian church and should be avoided as toxic to one’s soul.


22 posted on 08/21/2009 5:11:55 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: rbg81

Bravo!


23 posted on 08/21/2009 5:17:08 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Caltholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I agree. Though I prefer the word immoral.


24 posted on 08/21/2009 5:22:27 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Bigger government is not reform.)
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To: navymom1

Ditto.


25 posted on 08/21/2009 5:23:26 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: good1
There's nothing of substance in the Novus Ordo Mass. It has become a club where one goes to visit and talk loud before the 'service' is to begin.

The Tridentine Mass (pre-Vatican II) was and STILL IS a very quiet and dignified worship of God.

Mary isn't worshiped, rather she is venerated as a person of extreme worth who happened to give birth to our Savior.

Denigrating Catholicism and Catholics probably isn't a good idea because the 'faith' is truly over 2,000 years old and the first head of the Church was truly St. Peter. Only until the past 50 years has the Church turned off the light that served as a beacon, not only to practicing Catholics, but all Christians.

26 posted on 08/21/2009 5:24:12 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Caltholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: good1

Not the most ecumenical comment ever posted.


27 posted on 08/21/2009 5:24:52 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Old Badger
Another faction of Christians pealing further off into apostasy because they haven't the foggiest idea about the meaning of the word of G_d.

Yeah, I wonder what they do with the Scriptures that roundly, in no uncertain terms, condemn homosexuality, as well as other sexual sins, as conduct that will damn a soul to hell. Do they just pretend they aren't there? Do they take scissors to their Bibles? What do they make of Paul's writings, which make up a bulk of the New Testament? Or do they twist and contort these passages out of all logic and common meaning to actually condone sodomy?

28 posted on 08/21/2009 5:31:24 AM PDT by fwdude (It is time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Not the most ecumenical comment ever posted.

Ecumenism is a Christianity killer. Protestantism has, until very recently, roundly condemned and disassociated from the Roman church for eons and has still been blessed with God's approval and extraordinary visitations and moves of God's Spirit. This is a healthy "protest."

29 posted on 08/21/2009 5:37:37 AM PDT by fwdude (It is time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: fwdude
Except that the Lutheran Church isn't Protestant. It is the Church Catholic without the 16th Century abuses.
30 posted on 08/21/2009 6:08:33 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Maelstorm
I agree. Though I prefer the word immoral.

By my definition of the two words the difference is that an "amoral" person never,for a minute,feels the slightest amount of shame or remorse for immoral things that he/she does whereas an "immoral" person just might...somewhere down the road.How often to you hear anything that even remotely resembles shame,embarrassment or remorse from a practicing homosexual?

31 posted on 08/21/2009 6:36:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: rbg81
For months afterwards I got phone calls and letters urging me to reconsider and professing puzzlement as to why this was so divisive an issue.

Genesis?

32 posted on 08/21/2009 6:37:39 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: fwdude

Genesis...

In the beginning...


33 posted on 08/21/2009 6:39:09 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: lightman

Could use a Lutheran ping.


34 posted on 08/21/2009 6:42:28 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: IbJensen

Welcome to Bendover Acres......


35 posted on 08/21/2009 6:48:05 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: IbJensen
From wiki: Eisegesis (from the Greek root εις, meaning into, in, among) is the process of misinterpreting a text in such a way that it introduces one's own ideas, reading into the text. This is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis draws out the meaning from the text, eisegesis occurs when a reader reads his/her interpretation into the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective. An individual who practices eisegesis is known as an eisegete, as someone who practices exegesis is known as an exegete. The term eisegete is often used in a mildly derogatory fashion.
36 posted on 08/21/2009 6:50:21 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

37 posted on 08/21/2009 7:00:15 AM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini.)
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To: STONEWALLS
....same thing with Presbyterian Church USA....is it any wonder that it has been in decline for years?

Why do you think the Presbyterian Church PCA was formed? It was because the USA body was giving money to Terrorists and for Abortions.

We have a completely pro-life plank and say NO to Adultery. The Westminster Confession and documents are celebrated and good doctrines (especially the Five Points of Calvin) are regularly discussed.

All are welcome for Worship, come and join us.

38 posted on 08/21/2009 7:04:06 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: IbJensen
MINNEAPOLIS, MN - Leaders of the country's largest Lutheran denomination have moved toward a more welcoming view of homosexuality.

Well, that pretty much does it for me. I guess my wife gets her wish for me to convert to Catholicism.

39 posted on 08/21/2009 7:08:02 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: IbJensen; lightman; 185JHP; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Agitate; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping

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Be sure to click the FreeRepublic homosexual agenda keyword search link for a list of all related articles. We don't ping you to all related articles so be sure to click the previous link to see the latest articles.

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40 posted on 08/21/2009 7:24:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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bump!


41 posted on 08/21/2009 7:27:23 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mom MD

Could you sue the ELCA to force THEM to change THEIR name?

Heck, tell them to replace the “L” with an “O” - they might leap at the chance!


42 posted on 08/21/2009 7:33:47 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: fourdny2
Let’s be sure if we talk about this story we qualify it as the ELCA...not the Missouri Synod. The posters are right on with their comments about homosexuality and Scripture.

Our LCMS adult Bible study group was talking about this issue last week even though the assigned topic was something totally different. We were disgusted with the ECLA position on homos.

43 posted on 08/21/2009 7:47:51 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: IbJensen
"MINNEAPOLIS, MN - Leaders of the country's largest Lutheran denomination have moved toward a more welcoming view of homosexuality."

In a few short months it will not be the countrys largest Lutheran denomination.

The Liberal leadership wing of the ELCA have become their own Idols.

They think they are gods and they think they have made a name for themselves.

Think of the Tower of Babble.

Number one point I will state is - DO NOT PAINT ALL LUTHERAN CHRISTIANS WITH THE SAME BROAD BRUSH!

A vast number that were not there to vote are livid about this acton and they will be a splitting off.

Romans 6

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ

1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

44 posted on 08/21/2009 7:57:58 AM PDT by right way right (Do not mistake Religion for God.)
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To: good1
Is it the idolatry of the Mass that blesses you so, or is it the bogus priesthood (they have nothing to offer), or maybe it's just the worship of Mary that is such a thrill for you? Surely it is not the belief in faith+works for salvation that convinces you.

Salvation comes by faith alone, through Christ alone.

Are you really interested in discussing these topics or were you just shaking your fists as the sky?

45 posted on 08/21/2009 8:20:21 AM PDT by fdcc
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To: rbg81
I left his congregation (as did maybe 1/3 of the others). For months afterwards I got phone calls and letters urging me to reconsider and professing puzzlement as to why this was so divisive an issue. One even went as far to tell me to drop the “hatred in my heart”.

This happened to members in a Methodist congregation I once was part of, to those who questioned the creeping affirmation of homosexual behavior. One morning the pastor announced that the (almost all-gay) Strategy Committee had "decided that we would no longer emphasize the needs of traditional families." Can any true Jew or Christian imagine such heresy?

After walking out, I got a list of sins mailed to me, with "mine" highlighted in yellow marker. Threw it in the fireplace.

Jackals. I am so gone from there.

46 posted on 08/21/2009 9:13:21 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yeah. At the end of the day, I think they were more concerned with losing my dues than with losing me. The way it going, we’ll all be creating our own religions in the same way we custom order PCs.


47 posted on 08/21/2009 9:30:19 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: massmike; Maelstorm
Gay Priests and Gay Marriage
What the one issue has to do with the other.


Wow. I was going to excerpt a few lines from this article here, but every single word of it is so powerful and so accurate. Thank you very much for this stunning analysis of the fundamental connection between the Church's acceptance of homosexual orientation among priests (with the expectation that gays will uphold vows of celibacy and fidelity in their priestly marriage to the Church) and the inevitable corruption of the heterosexual ethos within of the Body of Christ, and all of society.

48 posted on 08/21/2009 9:37:25 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: good1

Read the article at post 21, place it into the long sweep of history in which periods of corruption are inevitable, but have always been followed by periods of restoration, and then try to open your mind to the good advice given you in post 26.


49 posted on 08/21/2009 9:40:58 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: NurdlyPeon; Old Badger
I don't know who this "G_d" person is either. Do you mean "God"?

You may not be aware of a Jewish tradition of not writing out the full name of God, as a token of respect and awe. That is why you sometimes see the initials "JHWH" to indicate the Hebrew name Yahweh (Whom Christians call Jehovah). Some Christians use the form "G-d" online as a polite courtesy because someone reading their posts may be Jewish, as on this thread; or they may do it from first principles of desiring to honor God in this ancient and harmless way.

50 posted on 08/21/2009 9:48:58 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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