Skip to comments.Senate Democrats Consider Tactic to Push Through Government Health Plan
Posted on 08/23/2009 8:04:24 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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They operate by their own rules. We haven’t the will to fight back (Rs in office).
This is not going to be pleasant.
It’s just a reflex, I always lumped those three together ever since I can remember.
He WOULD vote for it if he was still there.
Is private pay for benefits denied by Medicare permitted today?
Are you familiar with the term Brain Drain? It was invented by the British after professionals packed up their bags and left the country. That's what some Doctors will do. They will go overseas.
In other words, people who don't understand the basics of capitalism swear up and down that their program is economically viable. Yeah, no.
I think Republicans will hang as a block against a public option.”
Even better:Republicans will hang as a block against higher taxes, mandates, more regulation on health insurance that just drives costs up, and against any bill that fails to include tort reform.
Not in the House but I am not sure they have 51 votes in the Senate to pass this crap. With a public option they get no Republican votes — Snowe said she would not support a public option after being back in Maine so looks like the GOP will stick together.
Let them own this bill against the wishes of the American people. Lieberman said today until they get the cost way down it should not be voted on so I am guessing he is not a sure vote. I don’t see many Dems in the center of the Country daring to vote for this bill so I am not sure they have 51 votes in the Senate but if they do the nuclear option, they will lose their power in 2010 and the WH in 2012.
Go ahead Dems — don’t play by the rules you wanted with the 60 votes.
American doctors could go to the UK or Canada, but they would find the same conditions they were trying to escape. They may not be well received by their colleagues. (many Brain Drainers weren't either). Where else where a US MD could uproot his family to? India, Singapore, Mexico? If the UK had a private health system I'd accept your argument.
Did anyone ask this putz how many of these tens of millions of uninsured are illegal aliens, and why should the American people be forced to pay for insurance for people that don't belong here?
Physician practices and groups, with the means, will lease cruise ships. They will be stationed 15-20 miles offshore.
The new industry of the future will be ferry service to and from these ships, carrying the well to do and their foot lockers full of cash.
(Costs keep going up since you can't opt out and more requirements for coverage keep being added)
The response was as follows:
First, Senate Republicans would be united in their opposition to use of the reconciliation process to pass health-care reform.
Second, Republicans would use every parliamentary and procedural tool available to slow or stop Senate proceedings, for example by withholding approval of unanimous consent requests, requiring the reading of legislation in its entirety, offering numerous amendments, and forcing votes on adjournment.
Third, if the Democrats still proceed under reconciliation, Republicans would offer substantial ideas and alternatives to the health-care reform bill.
In response to this, a part of me says:
"I'll believe it when I see it..."
But for starters at least it is something...
>OK I’ve heard this all before. Doctors will leave their practices.What are they going to do?<
The specialists do make quite a bit of money. Most of them can afford to pay off their loans and get out. I am betting that they do. It wont be cost effective for them to stay in.
between paying for loans, still having to pay high insurance to continue doing business, they would be better off to treat patients for cash under the table and stay away from government programs.
As in Canada right now, many physicians take bribes to give service or have pulled out of the public health care field entirely. They now charge each patient for services.
You can wait 12-18 months for a routine blood exam in Canada now through their system, or pay $800 - $900 out of you own pocket for it and get it that week.
Similarly you can have surgery done when the government can find a doctor to do it and budget your surgery or pay for it in cash and have it done immediately.
The wealthy and powerful will always have the best doctors, but the people that this monstrosity is being sold to will be shorted by health care professionals far and wide.
If your talking about Chucky .. he doesn’t answer to his constituents. I have written him several times and never received a reply.
I am nothing but a surf .. a peon .. a peasant.
How I WISH HE WOULD BE UNSEATED
The President and members of Congress used to seriously take their oaths to support and defend, . . . for they are just as responsible to do so as any court. With socialists running both the executive and Congress and at least four of them on the Supreme Court, it doesn't bode well for the republic.
Stop. Right. There.
...and leave their big fat pensions for life behind!
The individual mandate violates the “contracts clause” of the 13th Amendment. By coercing citizens to enter into a contract with an insurance company they have committed us to indentured servitude. This was decided in Reynolds vs United States where the SCOTUS defined the “wheel of servitude”.
In a state like Florida, with a huge senior population, how could Bill Nelson, D, vote for this bill?
The Democrats don’t need all of their senators to vote for the bill if they use “reconciliation”—if they could count on all 60 Democrat senators they wouldn’t be thinking of reconciliation as an alternative.
What they want to do is to transfer money from citizens (seniors on Medicare) to illegal aliens. The latter will be a more reliable Democrat voting bloc.
I just saw a poll a couple of days ago that found that about 60% of Florida's seniors are FOR this bill, even though a majority of seniors nationwide are against it. I don't know if it was an outlier but it was certainly strange. If Nelson's polls find this to be the case, he will likely not suffer for voting for it.
Good, because they'll hang separately, metaphorically speaking of course, if they support it.
well your right !