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5 Liberal Lies About Obamacare
Townhall.com ^ | August 25, 2009 | John Hawkins

Posted on 08/25/2009 4:10:25 AM PDT by Kaslin

Barrack Obama and his pals in the mainstream media are doing everything in their power to keep people from finding out the truth about the health care bills that are winding their way through Congress.

Rather than engaging in an honest debate about the pluses and minuses of socialized medicine, they've abandoned all significant attempts to work with the GOP, they've demonized American citizens who've dared to voice their concern at townhalls, and they have lied more than Bill Clinton probably did the first time Hillary mentioned the name "Gennifer Flowers" to him.

Liberal claim: The public option won't kill private health insurance. When that sleazy old terrorist Yasser Arafat was alive, he was famous for telling Westerners he wanted peace in English, while telling his own people in Arabic to kill the Jews. Liberals are using the same tactic with the public option.

When they're talking to the general public, they assure them that the public option won't kill private insurance and if people like the plans they have, they'll be able to keep them.

But when liberals talk to each other, they explicitly admit that the public option is designed to kill private insurance so the government can take complete control.

There are many examples of this, but this quote from Barney Frank is so crystal clear about what they're doing that no more examples are really needed,

I think if we get a good public option, it could lead to single payer and that's the best way to reach single payer. Saying you'll do nothing until you reach single payer is a sure way never to get it.

Liberal Claim: Illegal aliens won't be covered If you want to know why Americans don't believe Congress or the mainstream media, the sort of slick deception that's being practiced here is typical of what's driving the distrust.

There is indeed a clause in the House bill that says illegal aliens aren't covered. The mainstream media looks at that clause and then dutifully reports, as if it were a fact, that illegal aliens won't be getting taxpayer funded health care.

However, here's the catch: there's no enforcement provision. Texas Congressman Lamar Smith explains how the scam will work:

The Democrats’ bill in the House, H.R. 3200, contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident.

The legislation contains no verification mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants do not apply for benefits. Republicans offered an amendment to close this loophole — it would have required verification using the existing methods that are already in place to verify eligibility for other federal benefits programs. But when they were asked to put the language of the bill where their words were, in a party-line vote, House Democrats rejected the amendment to require verification and close this loophole.

In other words, the Democrats can claim that illegal aliens won't be covered by the bill and even point to a provision in it that says it won't happen. Meanwhile, if the health care bill passes, millions of illegals aliens will have their health care picked up on the taxpayer's dime -- just as the Democrats planned all along.

Liberal claim: Abortion won't be covered by the bill. This is another clever bit of sleight of hand designed to fool the American public. As Congressman Steve King explained:

...The history of abortion funding from the federal government has been this: since 1973, the federal government has funded abortions unless there was an explicit prohibition written into the law. We have prohibited that in any number of cases, but this healthcare bill that's being rolled out by the Democrats and the House, by any information I have of what's in it, would fund abortion because there is no explicit prohibition.

In fact, there was an amendment that was brought through the Energy and Commerce Committee that passed by one vote, that would have prohibited abortions. They then turned around and wrote another amendment that struck it out again. So, the committee has voted to fund abortions with public taxpayer dollars.

So, is there a provision in the bill that says that abortion will be funded? No, but all that means is that abortion will be funded by default. This shouldn't surprise anyone given that Barack Obama explicitly said abortion would be covered in his health care plan during the campaign:

The Obama campaign responded to a question about health care from the pro-abortion RH Reality Check web site.

"Senator Obama believes that reproductive health care is basic health care," the campaign said, using the phrase that abortion advocates employ to refer to abortion.

"His health care plan will create a new public plan, which will provide coverage of all essential medical services. Reproductive health care is an essential service," the Obama campaign added.

The Obama camp also made it clear that any private insurance companies wanting to participate would also be required to provide abortion coverage.

"And private insurers that want to participate will have to treat reproductive care in the same way," the Obama campaign responded.

Liberal Claim: The health care bill will lower costs: This is perhaps the single most jaw droppingly dishonest claim about the whole bill, especially given that Medicare's unfunded liability is 34 trillion dollars. How in the world are the same people running a program that's on track to bankrupt the entire country supposed to create a newer, larger program that's going to actually lower the cost of health care?

Estimates of how much the bill will add to the deficit range from a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars plus, but these are likely to dramatically underestimate the costs for two reasons.

First of all, there's the staggered way the system is supposed to be rolled out,

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated the proposal now under consideration will cost over 10 years a little more than $1 trillion, depending on the final deal. House Democrats have vowed to find a way to pay for that cost despite an acknowledgement by a Congressional Budget Office official that the deficit will increase $239 billion because of Medicare payments to doctors.

But fully phased-in coverage of Americans under the plan will only occur for six of the 10 years measured by the CBO. That's because the Democratic plan in the House will start collecting revenues in 2011 but won't start providing coverage until 2013 and won't be fully implemented until 2015.

Why set the system up this way? In part, so that the Democrats can game the system and hide how much it's really going to add to the deficit.

Even setting that aside, the Congressional Budget Office has traditionally underestimated how much health care programs cost by stunning margins. Here's one all-too-typical example,

In 1965, as Congress considered legislation to establish a national Medicare program, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance portion of the program, Part A, would cost about $9 billion annually by 1990. Actual Part A spending in 1990 was $67 billion. The actuary who provided the original cost estimates acknowledged in 1994 that, even after conservatively discounting for the unexpectedly high inflation rates of the early ‘70s and other factors, “the actual [Part A] experience was 165% higher than the estimate.”

At a time when we're running the largest deficit in history and spending at an unsustainable level, can we afford to create yet another massive entitlement program? After creating a debt so big that our children's children won't be able to pay it off, what are we going for here? Are we trying to create a world where our great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren will still be spending a significant amount of their income to pay for the goodies we're getting from the government today?

Liberal Claim: There will be no rationing of health care. If you're wondering if a "death panel" will convene and "pull the plug on Grandma," essentially, the answer is "yes." Of course, it won't be called a "death panel" and Nancy Pelosi is not going to show up personally and yank Grandma's life support out of the wall. They don't have to be that dramatic.

Consider what happened to Barbara Wagner, who's on Oregon’s state-run health care program. Her doctor prescribed a cancer drug that slows the spread of disease and the Oregon Health Plan refused to cover the cost of the treatment. However, they did note some other things they would cover including doctor-assisted suicide. That's what a "death panel pulling the plug on grandma" looks like in the real world and we'll be seeing it nationwide if the Democrats get their way.

Still don't believe it? Well, consider this: the Democrats say their plan will cover a lot more Americans. Yet, there are no provisions in it to add any new doctors or nurses. In fact, one of the ways they're going to save money is by simply refusing to pay hospitals the full value of what their services are worth. Take any business and dramatically increase the number of customers they're serving with the same staff while significantly decreasing the amount of money per customer they receive, and you're going to get a drop-off in quality. How bad can it get? In Britain, 100 people a week lose their eyesight because the government run health care system is so overstretched that they can't get them an appointment with an optometrist. That's how it works in Britain and that’s how it will eventually work here, too, if the Democrats have their way.


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1 posted on 08/25/2009 4:10:25 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“... to bankrupt the entire country...”

Hasn’t anyone considered that this is the deliberate goal of all this spending by the Democrats?


2 posted on 08/25/2009 4:16:33 AM PDT by Mr. C
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To: Mr. C
Of course it is. And this is why we must get the majority back again
3 posted on 08/25/2009 4:19:28 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
The problem with dems lying is facts do not mean anything to them. The truth means nothing because the gov't is their religion and they all believe gov't is their savior. There is no morality in gov't, there is no accountability! So just LIE!

The HC legislation is written so vaguely with so much legalise designed this way so dems can make UP the RULES as they go along.

Dems are in the Obama socialist culture now, a culture the blue dogs did not bargin for. Many liberal dems are despicable!!

4 posted on 08/25/2009 4:27:37 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: Kaslin

All the democrats, who are both depraved morally and love power for themselves and their friends, are doing is worse than it seems.
They are destroying the U.S. Constitution and all the liberties and freedoms therein in this legislation and those who will not accept it will be punished.
The judicial and legislative and executive powers of government have destroyed America and are loving it!
I believe they will all suffer in hell for the evil they have and are commiting against the God of Israel and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right.
The throne of the God of Israel is a throne of justice and judgement, truth and mercy proceed from him.
These politicians who support all this legislation are following the evil angel Lucifer and will suffer the indignation of God in the latter days tribulation.


5 posted on 08/25/2009 4:34:16 AM PDT by kindred (Facts are a stubborn thing, but people are even more stubborn and will deny facts.)
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To: Kaslin
If the Dems are able to ram this through, there will be a spate of Black Market Medical Clinics spring up across this country.

The Dems are so afraid of "back alley" abortions, but they don't seems to be able to see the entire range of medical care go "back alley."

Think about it.

6 posted on 08/25/2009 4:35:02 AM PDT by good1
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To: Kaslin

I understand that the Liberal/Progressive/Marxist goal is to bankrupt the country, but.......”this is why we must get the majority back again”....who is WE?

Are you willing to just hand the reins of power back to the Republican party, which showed since ‘94 that they do not truly believe in limited govt, balanced budgets, freedom, liberty or the “American Way”. The political process is broken, and a simple change of jailers is not going to to a damn thing, except take us where the Democrats want us to go, with Republican drivers.


7 posted on 08/25/2009 4:45:00 AM PDT by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: Mr. C

From the American Thinker....
Obama adheres to the Saul Alinksy Rules for Radicals method of politics, which teaches the dark art of destroying political adversaries. However, that text reveals only one front in the radical left’s war against America. The Cloward/Piven Strategy is another method employed by the radical Left to create and manage crisis. This strategy explains Rahm Emanuel’s ominous statement, “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”


8 posted on 08/25/2009 4:52:25 AM PDT by oust the louse (This Country now has a smelly BO problem.....)
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To: Mr. C

Agree that is his idea of change just like in the U.S.S.R.


9 posted on 08/25/2009 4:57:50 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Kaslin

If you are old enough to remember this show then you can understand how this will eventually end.
10 posted on 08/25/2009 5:26:18 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

Carousel


11 posted on 08/25/2009 5:28:17 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra

I have no doubt that there will be feasibility studies done in the future when the money runs out.


12 posted on 08/25/2009 5:29:47 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Kaslin

Does anybody have any thoughts on why the Demos want to do this, when it will mean disaster for our country? They can’t all be that stupid.

Why push this bill when it will also destroy them?

Serious thoughts please.


13 posted on 08/25/2009 6:06:45 AM PDT by Mare
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To: Abathar

There is no Sanctuary


14 posted on 08/25/2009 6:12:40 AM PDT by oblomov (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - Mencken)
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To: Mare

They would regard enacting government health care and the subsequent electoral defeat as “two steps forward, one step back”. It is the Gramscian strategy, a speed bump in the way of the long march through the institutions.

Their thinking is on the order of generations, not years. They realize that a time will come when no living person will remember the health care debate, at which point dissent on the issue shall be relegated to the dustbin of history, and made into another boring rote memorization exercise by the public schools.


15 posted on 08/25/2009 6:19:24 AM PDT by oblomov (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - Mencken)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this ping list.

**This is a high volume ping list! (sign of the times)**


16 posted on 08/25/2009 7:28:10 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Mare

I keep wondering the same thing.


17 posted on 08/25/2009 7:49:53 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Mr. C

I believe that if 0bummer cannot make this a Communist country, he’ll accept a fall-back position of destroying America permanently.

Either works for him.


18 posted on 08/25/2009 7:58:56 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (UPS and FEDEX are doing fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems. - 0bummer)
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To: sirchtruth
Dems are in the Obama socialist culture now, a culture the blue dogs did not bargin for. Many liberal dems are despicable!!

What must their constituents be like. How can some fellow Americans keep voting these leftist into office over, and over and over again for 40 years.

Like Kennedy, when John Kerry was running for office, Kennedy had the state legislature change the MA state constitution to have the people vote for his replacement in a special election, because Mitt Romney was Governor, an R and he could not have him appointing Kerry's replacement. Now he wants to change it back to the Governor appointing his replacement, I guess when he dies, because now there is a D governor. And I guess the Americans (are they?) of MA are OK with this?

19 posted on 08/25/2009 7:59:33 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Kaslin

DemoRATs....lying, thieving, corrupt, immoral, reprobate bastards!!! From 0bozo down to the lowest level of local govt!!!


20 posted on 08/25/2009 8:03:15 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Kaslin
Liberal claim: Abortion won't be covered by the bill.

Short answer, if it isn't explicitly prohibited in the legislation, they will "find" coverage for this or anything else at a future date.

Putting a prohibition in the bill would require CONGRESSIONAL change to the law at a future date to permit it. They would find it harder to push through that subsequent law (unless it was bundled in some unrelated legislation).

But telling me something "won't happen" because it may or may not be explicitly permitted in today's rough draft don't mean s**t.

21 posted on 08/25/2009 8:04:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Coming to Marxists' Vineyards this 2009 - Wee Wee's Big Adventure.)
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To: rcrngroup

As Ronald Reagan said back in the days when he was ONLY an actor, any such plans will accomplish their socialist ends by incrementalism.

Barry is already using this soft sell when he points out that people are already using Medicaid. It doesn’t work as an answer to say “THIS ISN’T SOCIALISM”. It only works if he is trying to suggest “Socialism is not such a foreign concept, really...”.


22 posted on 08/25/2009 8:06:34 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Coming to Marxists' Vineyards this 2009 - Wee Wee's Big Adventure.)
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To: Mr. C

Yes.

The banking crisis appears to be a deliberate act. Looting by insiders. Just how did Louis Freakshow and Jamie Gorelick go from being National Security “experts” to banking “experts” and walk away with millions for their actions?

All socialist revolutions including a looting of the treasury.

The bailout wasn’t designed to help the capitalist economic system. It was political payback for insiders and activists.


23 posted on 08/25/2009 8:09:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Coming to Marxists' Vineyards this 2009 - Wee Wee's Big Adventure.)
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To: Mare
2 words:

Golden Parachute.

24 posted on 08/25/2009 8:10:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Coming to Marxists' Vineyards this 2009 - Wee Wee's Big Adventure.)
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To: Kaslin; newgeezer
Liberal claim: The public option won't kill private health insurance.

If COBRA via Ceredian is private, it deserves to be killed.

25 posted on 08/25/2009 8:31:17 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (I can reach across the aisle without even using my sights.)
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To: Kaslin; nutmeg

BTTT


26 posted on 08/25/2009 8:38:24 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: DungeonMaster
If COBRA via Ceredian is private, it deserves to be killed.

If you don't like it, I'm sure you're welcome to shop around for something better. Oh, wait, government says medical insurance cannot be sold across state lines. Therefore, your choices are very few.

As is so often the case, the answer to this problem is LESS GOVERNMENT involvement, not more.

27 posted on 08/25/2009 8:45:08 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Abathar

Will I get my years back?


28 posted on 08/25/2009 9:37:55 AM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: good1

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.


29 posted on 08/25/2009 9:50:57 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Tell everyone, DEMS are the RACISTS...they created the KKK and Jim Crow Laws...to start)
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To: EdReform; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
ping!

Thanks again for the heads up, EdReform.

30 posted on 08/25/2009 11:29:48 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 08/25/2009 11:32:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: sirchtruth

I guess theres room for them in the big TARP repubican party. We’re going to at best wind up with a smarmy libpub like mcain.


32 posted on 08/25/2009 11:37:00 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Kaslin

Thanks to Townhall.com for the idea

33 posted on 08/25/2009 2:56:22 PM PDT by Howie
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To: hosepipe

Here’s your “Trojan Donkey” idea!


34 posted on 08/25/2009 3:18:06 PM PDT by Howie
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To: runninglips
Are you willing to just hand the reins of power back to the Republican party, which showed since ‘94 that they do not truly believe in limited govt, balanced budgets, freedom, liberty or the “American Way”. The political process is broken, and a simple change of jailers is not going to to a damn thing, except take us where the Democrats want us to go, with Republican drivers.

The majority of Republicans - certainly Conservatives - want to rein in government intervention and spending.

The vast majority of demoncrats are Marxist, and the ones who aren't will still vote with the herd. Unity amongst the party is mandatory. Individualism is not accepted.

What we need is a Conservative Party. For now, all the conservatives are in the Republican party.

Hopefully, the liberals have overplayed their hand this time, and the RINOs who joined them to placate - rather than educate - their liberal constituents and majority party peers will be washed out with the tide.

35 posted on 08/26/2009 7:09:20 AM PDT by 4woodenboats
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To: Mare
Why push this bill when it will also destroy them?

Personally? No because they aren't covered under the plan, they have their own.

Politically? No because they have other ways to guarantee their reelection (e.g. ACORN).

Destroy the country? Yes, that is their goal, but they will have their gated communities to retire into.

36 posted on 08/26/2009 7:26:00 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: 4woodenboats
The majority of Republicans - certainly Conservatives - want to rein in government intervention and spending. I wish that were true, but IMO, Republicans love power, believe that the country is fine except for a little fine tuning, and that they can steer a course towards sanity. The problem is not those that we elect, but that the govt is loose from the chains of the Constitution, and unless we can get it back on its leash, the best hope for Liberty on this Earth will be gone in less than 12 years.
37 posted on 08/26/2009 10:21:23 PM PDT by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: Mr. C

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2009/09/23/hr_3200_will_collapse_global_medicine_97423.html

Cutting through it all: MEDICAL WINTER


38 posted on 09/23/2009 2:19:26 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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