Posted on 08/27/2009 1:04:35 PM PDT by TomTGradeczek
I posted my complete opinions about living 7 years with government run healthcare plans in other countries (they were fabulous and gave great peace of mind at low cost), my opinions of the government employee healthcare programs using private insurance in the USA (they were all generally poor to bad (Humana, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Aetna etc.), the fact that I am older now and will be using VA medical facilities, unless I am too far to travel to one of them, in which case I'll use Medicare. The absolute worst medical care I got in the last 40 years that I've used private insurers, government program insurers, and just paying for medical and dental care out of my pocket was with private insurance carriers, because they are basically charging us all a hidden tax of about 28% of every dollar we spend to pay for other things besides actual health care and administration is for outrageous executive salaries, stock options, advertising designed to scare us all into worrying about health care if these companies don't make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits and "return on investment" (Private insurance companies make us all feel like cattle).
I'm going to break the one long post I made 2 days ago (that was deleted by the moderator at Freep) into a bunch of small posts, because I never was told why the post was deleted.So here is the first item that might have made the moderator delete my post. I wonder how many of the hysterical people complaining about a government backed healthcare plan they have NO experience with, have EVER had ANY experiences lasting a few years with government run healthcare programs in other countries.
I explained how my 5 years on the Canadian health care program (QHIP) were very good, and how I needed services that I still need today, but the doctors loved it because the paperwork was low. The people needing health care (I was a university Business School lecturer at the time) all paid a high percentage of their salary to support the system (I paid between 5%-9% of my income to QHIP). For this I could pick my own doctor and all the prescriptions were extremely inexpensive (which is why Americans are running across the border to buy prescription drugs in Canada).
I had a number of major injuries while I was on the QHIP program. I sprained both my ankle and knee in a motorcycle collision with a car and I was in a hip-to-toe cast for 4 weeks. I cut myself while making dinner and needed 7 stitches, I was treated for and cured of an ulcer, and I caught Legionnaire's disease from someone returning from a Philadelphia convention in 1976 and was hospitalized for 4 days. I was young and perhaps I shouldn't have required so much expensive medical care, but stuff happens. The system worked extremely well, I picked my own doctors and prescriptions/tests were very inexpensive (of course the healthcare plan payroll deductions paid for all that).
It may take 5 additional comments to cover my great experiences with another country's government single payer healthcare program, my really bad healthcare experiences with every private insurance company I've used in the USA, and why Rupert Murdoch gets away with buying shares in American Healthcare Insurance companies. Then Rupert Murdoch (who owns FOX) hires commentators or uses syndicated feeds from commentators who try to whip up hysteria against any government run healthcare program in the USA. Of course this is just Rupert's way of manipulating us in America (Rupert has a government run Australian health care system he can use if he wishes), so the value of Rupert's investments in US health care insurance companies keeps making him more and more money.
I'll just keep putting up those REAL experiences from my own life, and my comments about how commentators are helping millionaires to make more money on the backs of the wage slaves in the USA who use private health care insurance companies. If I step over the line criticizing the damage done to Americans' right to Life (health is an obvious requirement here), Liberty and of course The Pursuit of Happiness (hard to do with a huge hidden tax being levied on us by the health insurance companies, and the hysteria they create about whether we will be able to get any health care at all.)
TomTGradeczek, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com
author of Waiting For John Doe (Number Two), How a former Hitler Youth successfully fulfilled his NAZI dream of avenging America's part in bringing down Hilter, by arranged mass murder, through a terrorist attack on Oklahoma and America. and read Tom's new novel The Physics of Crime, coming soon.
By by troll
IBTZ, you communist hack!
From his homepage, it looks like he’s trying to peddle a book as well as Obamacare.
Suck on this ZOT!
This isn’t about health care. It’s about stopping an intrusive, out-of-control federal government that is intent on shredding the freedoms guaranteed to us by our constitution.
But you knew that.
I’m laughing.
VA was some of the worst health “care” I’ve ever seen.
Don’t get me started on Army doctors.
Keep your laws off my BODY!
When this “health care for all” crap passes, right now the legislation states that it will be illegal to sell private policies over the date of passage. It also says that HSA’s will no longer be allowed. That means that my current policy will no longer be allowed and neither I nor my employer will be allowed to privately purchase an alternative.
I will not accept the “public option” that I will be dictated to join. I will not give the government control over my physical body. I will not pay their fines, I will not surrender to the impending warrant for my arrest. When they knock on my door, I will not answer. When they kick it in, I will make the news.
How’s that for unification, libtards? You loons are currently legislating my death. I will chose the terms and I will bring as many of you along as possible!
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“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..”
BlueCross BlueShield has done me better than anything run by bureaucrats troll.
Sounds like he is pining to give Obama a ‘sinclair’
lol.
This makesd no logical sense.
Good grief. Millios upon Millions have used these insurance companies, and he claims they were the worst he ever had. What a lie.
He is defo on his knees.....LOL!
Isn’t it amazing that these homosexual activists are so hot to have the government stay out of their bedrooms but when it comes to health care they want bureaucrats chasing gerbils up our butts ~ gad.
Not much for FREEDOM, are you!? Oh, and economics must not be your strong suit, either. Go away, troll.
I’ve had experiences with Govt run health care - in China. Maybe their problem is that they started socialized medicine when they were a poor country. In sum, it was awful. The cost was very low, but poor service (and sanitation) meant one would have to wait in lines foreover. Also, anyone seeking good care would need to make friends and quietly pay bribes to the good doctors to see have them see you. Their socialized medicine became such a joke that a private system operating both legally and illegally exists next to it. It now combines the worst of both systems....
If you enjoyed the health care in Canada so much, why did you bother to come back to the U.S.?
Canada (among many other countries) dictated terms to the pharmaceutical companies. Either supply the drugs at a deep discount, or generic drugs would be allowed to compete against the patent medicines. It's free-riding plain and simple. Americans pay the full freight for developing the drugs. The rest of the world pays a far smaller share of R&D costs. If the same prices were offered in the U.S.; few, if any, new treatments would be developed there.
I'm a Canadian & I don't deny that I'm happy to take advantage of the situation. At least I recognize it for what it is -- there's no magical formula that will cut drug costs for everyone (but, perhaps Americans would be paying less, if the rest of the world payed a bit more).
I have a buddy of mine with liver desease who was misdiagnosed by Canadien health care and had to come here. Got different mode of treatment here. Got different drugs here. Got a new liver- here.
How come there are so many Canadiens coming accross the border into Minnesota for treatment Tom? Why is the Canadien government allowing individuals to buy private coverage in Canada now Tom? Remember, they used to make that illegal Tom?
Isn’t there supposed to be a footnote “Advertisement” somewhere here?
“The absolute worst medical care I got in the last 40 years that I’ve used private insurers, government program insurers, and just paying for medical and dental care out of my pocket was with private insurance carriers, because they are basically charging us all a hidden tax of about 28% of every dollar we spend to pay for other things besides actual health care and administration is for outrageous executive salaries, stock options, advertising designed to scare us all into worrying about health care if these companies don’t make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits and “return on investment” (Private insurance companies make us all feel like cattle).”
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Wow!! With sentences like that I bet your books REALLY suck!
IBTZ
(lowest number ever)
IBTZ!!
This guy’s homepage looks like it was written by Tom Clancy.
I’m a military brat. I’ve seen some good ones and some really bad ones. It’s a cr@p shoot, for sure.
Probably ran off to Canada to live so he wouldn't have to serve in the U.S. military.
SIR! THE RECRUIT HAS SPOTTED A TROLL SIR!
Ping for the Zot List.
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I...damn, IATZ.
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I lived in New Brunswick for seven years. The health care was horrible.
Go spread your lies elsewhere, troll.
Kiss your government loving ASS GOOD BYE, MORON!
What section in the book store do you find healthcare fiction?
No thanks.
IATZ, but it looks like you are either a walking accident or an accident waiting to happen. Don't ever post while smoking pot or being drunk.
I had about six months experience with the VA. That's how long it took me to get an appointment. When I had an allergic reaction to the medicine I called them and they said that they could get me another appointment - if I was willing to wait another six months.
We use the military insurance - TRICARE. My wife had a seizure that was described by the Emergency Room physician as "potentially life threatening." We tried to get in to see the military doctor for a referral, but there were no appointments available. I repeat - they didn't say we had to wait weeks or months, they said there were no appointments available. Doctors downtown wouldn't make an appointment without a referral from our Primary Care Manager (PCM) at the base and there was no way to see him. I finally called my Congressman and the base managed to fit me in once, but only after four months of trying to deal with the military hospital.
Exactly, anyone who has lived in unfree countries knows what the “black market” is and how it will end up should the health care restriction pass. anyone remember prohibition? Do these a$$clowns in DC not realize that in order to change something as invasive an far reaching as they are proposing they dont just need the votes they need overwhelming public support which they do not have.Just like excessive taxes there is a tipping point when otherwise law abiding people say no mas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_economy
The title went from:
“I’ve lived with great government administered health care, Have You?”
To:
“Hi. I am a Moron. I’ve lived with ZOT administered health care and I think it’s GREAT!”
ZOT administered while I was posting!
I read the title of this thread.......and lol’d.
Me thinks you are a big fat liar living in your mothers basement wishing you could venture outside without the mean little kids laughing at your zits and b.o.
I'll hazard a guess, Tom. It's because it was twice as long as this one and with no more content. It's "Free Republic," by the way.
Uhm. Wrong. I lived in Scandinavia, where socialized medicine is supposedly more advanced than in other places, because of smaller populations etc. And it still sucked...like waiting for two years for a hernia operation, or being sent to the private hospital for diagnostics because the government hospital’s equipment is too outdated to x-ray an ankle. And all that with a 56% income tax rate.
Nooo thanks.
You must be right...people in Buffalo, Seattle and Detroit just FLOCK to Canada for health care.
Nice to see REAL trolls getting whacked!
Nope, not amazing at all. The libtards have no principles, therefore their political agenda can blow in the wind and land wherever it feels good for them.
Hey Tom, Why do you support a system that would take from me my FREEDOM TO CHOOSE? If you want a government run health care system just go back to where they have one.
My way requires no force of government and yours does. In the words of one of the good things to come out of Canada: “I will choose free will” Rush, Exit Stage Left album.
You are missing the whole point of WE DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT to run everything. It is not the role of government to do these things. Glad you have enjoyed socialized medicine all these years, but we did NOT CHOOSE IT and we DO NOT WANT IT.
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