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The Kennedy Funeral - A Golden Opportunity or Capitulation for the Catholic Church
Life Site News ^ | 8-26-09 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 08/27/2009 10:22:18 PM PDT by STARWISE

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To: Antoninus
The Bushes and the Kennedys are northeastern ruling elites. They only pretend to be political rivals.

Truer words have not been spoken on this thread.

161 posted on 08/28/2009 11:29:10 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: incredulous joe

Well God did tell you in the Bible that we would be treated this way. :) I try to keep that in mind when the holier than thou’s try to do this each and everytime Catholism is mentioned. They are bigots plain and simple.


162 posted on 08/28/2009 11:32:04 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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Like others, it's scandalous, a whole series of scandals of this sort. But making a ruckus about it probably comes across to the other side and church powers that be as being self-righteous and just plain nasty.

So I will sit on the sidelines and silently grieve and try to find to find the grace to pray for mercy for us all.

I guess God is allowing this to happen, but we are told that He is not mocked. Jesus had the authority to get ugly with the moneychangers (rightfully so), but that authority has not been delegated to we ordinary people just trying to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling".

With few notable exceptions, it has always been thus. Church leaders are blinded and intimidated by the moneyed and powerful and bend the rules for them. Not for Henry VIII though. All England was lost to the church, and many suffered the aftermath of that. Now the pendulum is starting to swing the other way after the passing of many generations.

163 posted on 08/28/2009 11:36:02 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: Mrs. Don-o
but from a 'mission church' of particular significance to his family, a sanctuary where he prayed during his childrens' crises with cancer

It's a long time since it was a "mission church", in the sense of an outpost. The present church is, properly, the Basilica of Our Lady of Perpetual Help. It's urban, large -- and very beautiful. According to the website, it's staffed by "Redemptorists of the Baltimore Province." They have always run the church -- it's full of pictures of Redemptorist saints. I have no way of knowing what may have gone on between the Redemptorists and Cdl. O'Malley. I do know that there have been no public prayers for Kennedy in my parish (in Boston) at daily Mass this week, except -- as I said above -- the one petition that politicians who profess to be Christian should act that way.

Mission is close (probably a mile or so) to Boston Children's Hospital, so there may well be that connection (I do remember that JFK's baby died there). Still sounds like a last-ditch choice, though -- he would have expected the Cathedral and a Mass said by the Cardinal.

164 posted on 08/28/2009 11:36:51 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz

Kennedy’s letter re: a change of law where the apt. of his successor was concerned was written [and dated] months before it was mailed. Howie Carr, the local talk show bigwig, covered this extensively. He pointed out that Kennedy’s camp offered no explanation for the mysterious/long delay between the writing and sending of the letter. My personal theory is that after he wrote it Kennedy instructed that it not be mailed until he gave the go ahead. As those around him saw that he had slipped past the point where he could cognitively make that call, they sent the letter on their own authority.


165 posted on 08/28/2009 11:38:42 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: pbear8
There has been no statement from the Vatican because the Kennedy's are not particularly important. They have ignored Church teachings for 40 years with impunity.

Yes, I am aware of that fact by now.

That said, we do not know Ted's state of soul at death. By the Grace of God he may have confessed and repented. We are all subject to the Mercy of God which is profound and eternal and is available to those who seek It.

We don't know the state of his soul at death, yet we should continue to pray for his soul in hopes that he indeed found his way back Home.  Confessing to another sinner is not going to grant you pardon and entrance into Heaven.  The only way to the Father is through the Son, Jesus Christ, the Lord and Saviour of all.

166 posted on 08/28/2009 11:40:58 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Fantasywriter

It was on Howie Carr that I heard the auto-pen theory.


167 posted on 08/28/2009 11:46:02 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz

The only thing I heard about auto-pen on Howie Carr was a theory that it might have been signed that way. That was not the only theory offered. The other ideas were that the signature looked strange either because Kennedy’s hand was unsteady due to the illness or else that someone had forged his signature. If you heard that Howie had proved it was definitely done via auto-pen then I wonder when he said that. I certainly missed it, and I’ve been listening steadily since Kennedy’s passing.


168 posted on 08/28/2009 11:49:36 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

I never said anything was proved.


169 posted on 08/28/2009 11:53:30 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Happyinmygarden
"....an organization with such enormous influence and power can’t unit[e] on such a basic issue...."

....and all thanks to the the intentional disorganization designed and implemented at the infamous Vatican II from hell.

170 posted on 08/28/2009 11:53:33 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Qui non intelligit aut discat aut taceat)
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To: STARWISE

My characterizing the relationship as “rocky” certainly understated the problems with it and they all were because of Kennedy’s descending into the politics of personal destruction along with most other national politicians of the political left. But you said it so much better than me.


171 posted on 08/28/2009 11:59:25 AM PDT by CedarDave (Will Rogers on Death & Taxes: "Death doesn't get worse every time Congress meets")
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To: babygene

You have Freepmail. :)


172 posted on 08/28/2009 12:16:24 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Thank you! I didn't know about the Canon Law 1184-3 and never put the 'intended' murder of Moses and Jesus with the murders of our babies together. So thank you for that.

Now I have a phone call to make. ;)
173 posted on 08/28/2009 12:21:09 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: WackySam; STARWISE
"With nary a word on the diddling of little boys over the centuries, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a holy smack-down of Teddy during his funeral."

This is such a misdirected statement, one hardly knows where to begin. But I'll try:

"Nary a word" is a pretty ridiculous assertion, since "over the centuries" the Church has constantly done just the opposite: has taken such a 'heteronormative,' marriage centered view of sex that gays worldwide see Catholicism as Global Enemy #1.(Here's just one example of a historian who complains of the Catholic Church's "relentless denunciation" of buggery.)

Sin has always been sin and has always been called sin in the Catholic Church; and, heart-breakingly, there have always been sinners, of which I am one. 'Nuff said.

Second, the Church does not do "holy smackdowns" of people at their funerals. The service itself is intended to remind us all of the Four Last Things: Death, Judgment, Heaven, and Hell.

Will that happen at Ted Kennedy's funeral? (Sigh.) We shall see.

Perhaps we can derive some comfort from some facts that have escaped many people's notice:

I will pray, as all Christians should, for God's mercy, of which I too am in need.

174 posted on 08/28/2009 12:21:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: television is just wrong

another bigotted response...


175 posted on 08/28/2009 12:23:13 PM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: G Larry
Yes. See #174.
176 posted on 08/28/2009 12:25:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: G Larry

nope, I was a devout catholic, went to catholic school, and so on. I left the church because of the double standard.

Kennedy was excused for murder and his feelings on abortion,

Obama had religious articles covered so he could make a speech at a catholic college.

They cave when it means MONEY.


177 posted on 08/28/2009 12:26:08 PM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I called and was directed to the ‘comment’ line. Left my message. In essence, I hope the Cardinal will do what is RIGHT and not what is popular - it takes integrity to do that. Lots more said but that’s the short of it. Thanks!


178 posted on 08/28/2009 12:31:06 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: BigSkyFreeper
The only way to the Father is through the Son, Jesus Christ, the Lord and Saviour of all.

TRUTH Bump!
179 posted on 08/28/2009 12:37:53 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: television is just wrong
They cave when it means MONEY.

Liberals don't give money to the Church, they give opinions.

180 posted on 08/28/2009 12:42:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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