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Kennedy's Funeral Further Damages the Church's Credibility
humanevents.com ^ | 08/28/2009 | Rev. Michael P. Orsi

Posted on 08/28/2009 11:28:07 PM PDT by kellynla

There is much truth to the adage that many of our wounds are self inflicted. This has been especially true for the Catholic Church in the United States and the Archdiocese of Boston in particular. Recall that the clergy sex abuse scandal first came to light there because of their egregious nature and the laxity of the then Archbishop Bernard Cardinal Law in handling them. According to statistics the Church is still reeling from the aftershocks.

On Wednesday the Church further diminished her credibility when it was announced that a Mass of Christian Burial would be celebrated for Senator Edward M. Kennedy at Our Lady of Perpetual Help Basilica. It was also announced that President Barack Obama would be the eulogist.

Senator Kennedy, along with President Obama have been the most pro-abortion and pro-embryonic stem cell research politicians in the nation. As a matter of fact, Senator Kennedy refused to vote for Supreme Court nominees Robert Bork and Samuel Alito for fear their appointment might lead to overturning Roe v. Wade. These positions are inimical to Catholic Church teaching and throughout the years, the American hierarchy has railed against Catholic politicians such as Kennedy who hold such views. Some bishops have even advised them not to receive Holy Communion -- an action just short of excommunication.

In recent days the spin-doctors have done their best to portray Senator Kennedy as a devout Catholic. Stories of his visits to church in order to pray for his ailing daughter Kara, a cancer survivor, and reports of his personal religiosity have been widely circulated. The media has also noted numerous visits by priests to the Kennedys’ home during his illness for the administration of the sacraments, presumably including confession and even the celebration of a private Mass in Kennedys’ living room. There is no report, however, of repudiation of his voting record or sorrow for his obstinate refusal to adhere to Catholic morality on two of the most important life issues. An important part of the Sacrament of Penance, along with sorrow for sin, is to try to repair the damages that our sins have caused. Certainly, enough time had elapsed between the diagnosis of the Senator’s terminal illness and his death for him to make amends and to alleviate some of the scandal. Yet, there is no indication that this has happened.

A Mass of Christian Burial is a privilege -- not a right. It is for those who have lived a Christian life. Senator Kennedy’s scandalous disregard of his Church’s teaching and the destruction of human life that may be attributed to his voting record make his funeral celebration quite dubious. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to evil… and that it takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it”(n. 2284-85). For such a person the Code of Canon Law says, “Church funeral rites are to be denied to the following (unless they gave some sign of repentance before death): manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful” (c. 1184.3). How many Catholics have been led astray by Senator Kennedy and other prominent pro-choice Catholics? And, finally, how many other Catholic politicians will be emboldened to emulate his behavior because the honor the Church is extending to him?

Some will argue that the Church, by its very nature, always gives the benefit of the doubt to the sinner. Yet, even such an act of charity calls for a pastoral solution so as not to mislead others and cause greater harm. In this case, a subdued funeral service should be offered for the repose of Senator Kennedy’s soul. It should be made clear that, as it is the purpose of every Catholic funeral, the Mass is being celebrated to beg God’s mercy for the deceased. But, then even this solution would be meaningless when the nation’s most pro-choice president ever is permitted to eulogize his ideological soul mate in the Church’s sanctuary. Imagine the accolades that will be lavished on the Senator Kennedy’s character and career!

The Church’s credibility has once again been undermined by the hierarchy of the Church in Boston. This scandal is even bigger than the one enabled by Cardinal Law because of its bad message and long ranging implications.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: abortionists; catholic; catholicism; kennedy; obama; religiousleft; tedkennedy
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Rev. Orsi is a Research Fellow in Law and Religion at Ave Maria School of Law.
1 posted on 08/28/2009 11:28:07 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 08/28/2009 11:28:32 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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"A Mass of Christian Burial is a privilege -- not a right. It is for those who have lived a Christian life. Senator Kennedy’s scandalous disregard of his Church’s teaching and the destruction of human life that may be attributed to his voting record make his funeral celebration quite dubious. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to evil… and that it takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it”(n. 2284-85). For such a person the Code of Canon Law says, “Church funeral rites are to be denied to the following (unless they gave some sign of repentance before death): manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful” (c. 1184.3). How many Catholics have been led astray by Senator Kennedy and other prominent pro-choice Catholics? And, finally, how many other Catholic politicians will be emboldened to emulate his behavior because the honor the Church is extending to him?"
3 posted on 08/28/2009 11:29:49 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Notre Dame can perform abortions at the 50 yard line during their half time show. The Fighting Irish Abortionists.


4 posted on 08/28/2009 11:30:33 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs & Glenn Beck- American Heroes! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: kellynla

That’s the way it works. If you are RICH white trash, you get the best the world has to offer, even on your way out of it.


5 posted on 08/28/2009 11:36:20 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: All

Please email the Basilica of Our Lady of Perpetual Help and voice your outrage. Please be respectful. And I’m sure I don’t have to remind you “Please, no profanity”
Link:http://www.olphbkny.org/contacts.html


6 posted on 08/28/2009 11:38:17 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
"In recent days the spin-doctors have done their best to portray Senator Kennedy as a devout Catholic."
"And, finally, how many other Catholic politicians will be emboldened to emulate his behavior because the honor the Church is extending to him?

The media and let's face the Catholic church knows that all this impressive pomp and ceremony over a democratic icon is reinforcing the Catholic vote, especially for the Catholic Hispanics.

7 posted on 08/28/2009 11:42:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: kellynla

Hey, Kennedy was a champion of open borders, socialism, and pacifism in the face of Islamic terror and Communist aggression. That puts him squarely in the camp of a depressingly large segment of the Catholic clergy, bishops included.


8 posted on 08/28/2009 11:45:16 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
If you are RICH white trash, you get the best the world has to offer, even on your way out of it.

Well, in this case, this elite system is finally out of it's depth. For even if the Catholic Church blesses him at his funeral, God is still in charge of whether a blessing actually comes to him.

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."
(Galatians 6:7)

9 posted on 08/28/2009 11:47:27 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: kellynla

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2fa_1248799613


10 posted on 08/28/2009 11:47:29 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
That’s the way it works. If you are RICH white trash, you get the best the world has to offer, even on your way out of it.

"What does it profit a man if he should gain the world and lose his soul."
Matthew 16:26
11 posted on 08/28/2009 11:50:37 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: nikos1121

Yeah, right.


12 posted on 08/28/2009 11:51:19 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

You’ve seen this before?


13 posted on 08/28/2009 11:57:40 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: kellynla

Try to catch a rerun of EWTN The World Over where Raymond Arroyo said he heard that the family had requested the cathedral and were turned down, ths priest on his show was excellent, a really great show tonight, Brent Bozell also on about faairness doctrine. The priest pointed out that two weeks ago when Eunice Shriver died the Pope sent a letter of condolence to the family but no letter as yet had been sent to teddy’s family. Eunice was prolife.


14 posted on 08/28/2009 11:58:11 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Just got up from Bedroomshire)
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To: kellynla

Denying a funeral mass is an extremely rare act. Most members of the Mafia are given funeral masses and buried in hallowed ground. Obama is giving a eulogy, not the homily. Allowing someone to give a eulogy is not an honor, like the Notre Dame scandal. The church is demonstrating disapproval through not having the Cardinal of Boston celebrating the Mass.


15 posted on 08/28/2009 11:58:51 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: kellynla

This article nails it. I think the spectacle of the “canonization of Saint Theodore” is obscene and an insult to God, to the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and to Catholics everywhere. Every single one of these so-called pro-choice zealots should be denied any sacraments and should be excommunicated — unless they repent and their deeds reflect their repentance. That’s rather harsh, but so is the wrath of God. You play, you pay.


16 posted on 08/29/2009 12:01:37 AM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Plus he’s being buried in Arlington, not in consecrated ground and Pope Benedict XVI silence speaks volumes. He has completely snubbed the Kennedy’s.


17 posted on 08/29/2009 12:10:12 AM PDT by elizabethgrace (Obama's Deficit Projections Assume That He & Congress Will Stop Spending)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

May a eulogy be given at a Catholic funeral?
Catholic funeral rites do not allow space for a eulogy.9 The focus of a Christian funeral is the paschal mystery: the suffering, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.10 The funeral rites are not so much a celebration of the life of the deceased, but a prayer that the life and death of the deceased may be joined to Christ in heaven. Because the focus of a Catholic funeral is first on God, eulogies do not have a place within the funeral liturgy.

The Church’s rites do allow a member or a friend of the family to speak in remembrance of the deceased prior to the final commendation.11 This is not a full eulogy, but a brief reflection proportionate to the other parts of the funeral rites
http://www.cuf.org/Faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=262


18 posted on 08/29/2009 12:15:59 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: elizabethgrace

Edward is being temporarily buried at Arlington. The day will come when he will be exhumed.


19 posted on 08/29/2009 12:22:13 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Sorry, Lucius, this is not aimed at you but I just gotta rant.

Paul Castellano, then head of the Gambino Mafia "family" was denied a Catholic funeral by John Cardinal O'Connor on the basis that a Church funeral would be a scandal. This despite the fact that Castellano in his entire mob career was responsible for fewer killings (if any and of less innocent persons, if any) than Ted the Abortion supporter was guilty of each morning since 1973 before breakfast. I believe that anyone arguably Catholic ought to be able to have a funeral Mass. It should be a very private affair however when we are marking the death of notoriosos like Teddy. No cameras. No live coverage. No lying eulogies. No glad handing or photo ops out front. No circuses of any kind.

AND, after the private Mass for the few Catholics left in that family, the corpse should be taken out to be disposed of at sea in an upside down midnight blue 1967 Oldsmobile 88 4-door sedan redecorated with a different painting of a dead and dismembered aborted baby on each body panel save the one reserved for a picture of Mary Jo so that there will be no question of the identity of the remains if ever found. Eulogies take place with distressing frequency at Catholic funerals despite the fact that they are apparently forbidden by Church law. Now that would mean that Sean Cardinal O'Malley himself ought not to be giving eulogies at the funerals of even distinguished and holy Catholics. Charitably speaking, that would not be a description of the late Hyannisport whale. For the most part, eulogies take the content of the Pelagian heresy: "We know that our dear brother has now gone to heaven and we hope we will meet him again in the sweet bye and bye." Balderdash and drivel. This is of a piece with changing from the previous black vestments at funeral Masses to cheery white ones to celebrate Unitarian-style the world-beating wonders of the deceased.

If one did not know that many go to hell, one would not be expected to learn it from the modern funeral liturgy. Hell is soooo, ummmm, medieval and downright icky. I can just imagine the Obamunist's eulogy and how little it will fit with the track record of pro-abortion Chappaquiddick Teddy. For that matter, if Sean Cardinal O'Malley had a spine, Obama would be told publicly and forcefully that his presence is not allowed in a Catholic place and particularly not in the very presence of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. To allow him to even enter a Catholic Church is an abomination as well as an Obamanation. B-XVI should request O'Malley's resignation and send him off to do genuine Franciscan things like caring for lepers or AIDS victims or even household pets as St. Francis might have.

That having been said, may God have mercy upon his soul and may the perpetual light shine upon him and upon his track record to facilitate the indictment and/or impeachment, trial, conviction and lengthy imprisonment of his eulogist and the corrupt cronies of both the eulogist and the recently departed senator for life.

God bless you and yours.

20 posted on 08/29/2009 12:39:34 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: kellynla

“Plus he’s being buried in Arlington, not in consecrated ground and Pope Benedict XVI silence speaks volumes.

As a Practicing Catholic I believe Arlington is consecrated ground. Consecrated by the men and women who gave their lives in the service of this Country.
Kennedy does not deserve this honor.

Obama does not belong in a Catholic Church that in itself is a disgrace and Major Scandal.

These Hierarchs who allowed this farcical church service have no Souls.


21 posted on 08/29/2009 12:39:46 AM PDT by chatham
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To: kellynla

**A Mass of Christian Burial is a privilege — not a right.**

This is true.


22 posted on 08/29/2009 12:43:24 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
However, is Father Orsi forgetting this?

We have no idea if Senator Kennedy had a deathbed re-conversion. We cannot judge.

Beginning Catholic: The Anointing of the Sick: Comfort and Healing [Ecumenical]

23 posted on 08/29/2009 12:44:15 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: BlackElk
Dies Irae!
24 posted on 08/29/2009 12:44:58 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: elizabethgrace

I think that the spineless DC Archbishop Wuerl or whoever the diocesan ordinary may be will see to the consecration of his burial plot. Some may not know that Arlington National Cemetery is Robert E. Lee’s front lawn, confiscated (probably unconstitutionally/5th Amendment) after the Unpleasantness Between the States of 1861-1865. For Robert E. Lee, one of the finest men to ever grace our land, the punishment seems never to end. On earth at least, Teddy’s punishment never seems to begin. May the Vatican and B-XVI continue their dignified and appropriate silence.


25 posted on 08/29/2009 12:47:01 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: chatham

Bravissimo!


26 posted on 08/29/2009 12:48:00 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: kellynla

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2327262/posts?page=23#23

Please check out the link.

If Kennedy received the Sacrament of the Sick — in a way, and exorcism, we do not know, oher than to say, if that happened a lot of time will be spent in Purgatory by him before he enters heaven.

I vehemently disagreed with Kennedy’s policies, but I cannot be his judge, lest I be judged too. For someday, I will be judged. Instead, say a Rosary for him.


27 posted on 08/29/2009 12:48:02 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

My, aren’t both of us up later than we ought to be? Honest, I will call soon.


28 posted on 08/29/2009 12:50:11 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Or ... all of those withing “Drink Spilling” distance are exhumed and given burial at a REAL cemetary for heroes.


29 posted on 08/29/2009 12:52:55 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
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To: BlackElk

Been on the Seattle shootings thread. Got family out there.


30 posted on 08/29/2009 12:53:31 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

How many of these technicalities come through to the Average Joe? It is like a visitor to Japan who fails to recognize that some obscure gesture of his host indicates disapproval of the visitor’s ignorant manners.


31 posted on 08/29/2009 12:53:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: Salvation
While it is certainly not for us to judge the ultimate destination of Teddy's soul, we certainly can and should bear witness to the many evils that marked so much of his life.

Any number of things, including an acceptance of a grace of final repentance, sincere sacramental repentance and forgiveness of his sins (God is wonderful and can do anything and can forgive anything) may have opened heaven's gate for him or not.

God will judge these matters and, by definition, His judgment will be just.

32 posted on 08/29/2009 12:59:48 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

I disagree with Edward Kennedy’s political stands on everything. But I cannnot judge the state of his soul.


33 posted on 08/29/2009 1:09:17 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: kellynla

Since when is the Kennedy family or anyone else better than the church?


34 posted on 08/29/2009 1:09:48 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: BlackElk

**God will judge these matters and, by definition, His judgment will be just. **

Yeah — like a lllllooooooooooonnnnggg time in Purgatory (if he did receive the Last Rites.)


35 posted on 08/29/2009 1:10:44 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: kellynla

It causes me to wonder if T.K. forced some girl to have an abortion in a crises over his political reputation and therefore either had to come to terms with the murder of his own child or cover up his guilt by relentlessly pounding away at justifying abortion. In any case it is very strange to turn from being pro life to rabidly promoting the mass executions of countless innocent babies.


36 posted on 08/29/2009 1:12:00 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: Salvation
Instead, say a Rosary for him

No rosary will help him if he died in his sins without repenting and accepting Christ as his Saviour. It is Christ and Christ alone who paid the price for our sins with his shed blood. When a person dies there is then judgement with nothing in between.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

37 posted on 08/29/2009 1:18:05 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: kellynla; Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham; Citizen Soldier; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; ...
The buck stops at The Pope. It is he that according to Catholic doctrine holds the authority over everything that goes on in the Catholic Church. It is he that is responsible for allowing such things as this fraudulent funeral display as well as many other examples of fraudulence such as allowing wicked politicians to not be excommunicated from The Catholic Church. He is clearly not the infallible Vicar of Christ on earth. Sincere Catholics must realize that he is so very, very fallible and obviously too weak to preform his necessary duty as head of The Catholic Church. Rely only on Jesus Christ directly for salvation. Take direction from God's Holy Word. Do not rely on the fallible traditions of men but rather only upon The LORD God Himself.

According to the First Vatican Council The Catholic Church established that:

If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: let him be anathema.

38 posted on 08/29/2009 1:55:34 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: kellynla

By all means celebrate the death of a drunken, debauched, murdering POS whose only attachment to things Catholic was attendance when it was politically necessary.

This is no better than doing rhe same for some Mafia capo.

BTW, there STILL is no room in the Catholic Church for me. Why, because I still hold on to traditional Church teaching.


39 posted on 08/29/2009 2:06:52 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Talisker

“God is still in charge of whether a blessing actually comes to him”

It should be interesting to see how many Catholic church “leaders” actually recieve blessings also.


40 posted on 08/29/2009 3:21:28 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: kellynla

The K-Klans original "inside man".


41 posted on 08/29/2009 4:02:21 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: kellynla
As if this is new...

Second Clown
Will you ha' the truth on't? If this had not been a gentlewoman, she should have been buried out o' Christian burial.

First Clown
Why, there thou say'st: and the more pity that great folk should have countenance in this world to drown or hang themselves, more than their even Christian.

42 posted on 08/29/2009 4:13:54 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: kellynla; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
The Church’s credibility has once again been undermined by the hierarchy of the Church in Boston. This scandal is even bigger than the one enabled by Cardinal Law because of its bad message and long ranging implications.

The topic of the funeral was addressed last night on EWTN's live program The World Over Live. One guest, Fr. Sirico of the Acton Institute, stated very much the same thing as this article. He noted, however, that Cardinal O'Malley will not be officiating, nor will the funeral be held in the Cathedral. As to the eulogy to be delivered by Obama, Fr. Sirico noted that in the GIRM (General Instructions of the Roman Missal), eulogies are forbidden during the Mass. Any eulogy may only be delivered after the service has been concluded. He also noted that having Obama deliver a eulogy at the Kennedy funeral was scandalous.

One caller also pointed out that there will be many government appointed and/or elected CINOs at this funeral mass who will bring additional scandal by presenting themselves for communion. One can only wonder how this will be handled.

Catholic Ping
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43 posted on 08/29/2009 4:39:30 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Salvation
1 Corinthians 5

1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature[a] may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you." - NIV

44 posted on 08/29/2009 5:02:04 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -Arthur C Clarke)
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To: kellynla

Even more reasons for why I stopped going...


45 posted on 08/29/2009 5:12:07 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Salvation

“A Mass of Christian Burial is a privilege — not a right. It is for those who have lived a Christian life. Senator Kennedy’s scandalous disregard of his Church’s teaching and the destruction of human life that may be attributed to his voting record make his funeral celebration quite dubious. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to evil… and that it takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it”(n. 2284-85). For such a person the Code of Canon Law says, “Church funeral rites are to be denied to the following (unless they gave some sign of repentance before death): manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful” (c. 1184.3). How many Catholics have been led astray by Senator Kennedy and other prominent pro-choice Catholics? And, finally, how many other Catholic politicians will be emboldened to emulate his behavior because the honor the Church is extending to him?”


46 posted on 08/29/2009 5:12:09 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Thank you for the post.

I forwarded the info to Our Lady of Perpetual Help


47 posted on 08/29/2009 5:18:00 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: BlackElk

“Paul Castellano, then head of the Gambino Mafia “family” was denied a Catholic funeral by John Cardinal O’Connor on the basis that a Church funeral would be a scandal.”

Thanks. I didn’t know that.

Semper Fi,
Kellly


48 posted on 08/29/2009 5:20:09 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: WVKayaker
11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

Thank you for reminding us.
49 posted on 08/29/2009 5:24:26 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: WVKayaker
11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Wow . . . kinda says it all. I had always thought Paul was talking about me (and he is, for those of you who aren't sure if I'm joking or not), since I'm guilty of all of those at one time or the other in some form. But Teddy . . . he's like the poster child for this verse.

Since Teddy claims to be a member of the church, he is subject to our judgements about his behavior (we can't judge his heart, but we can judge his actions). And I see NO evidence that he has ever repented of a lifelong effort to give this nation over to the Devil. He has used Catholicism as a mask to disguise himself. I'm amazed at how many people actually fall for such a cheap, transparently fake disguise.

Most people know that Teddy was no devout believer in God and the risen Savior. Instead, they are willing to publicly proclaim his piety as part of their agenda to lead the US from God. God must truly be disgusted by our nation.

50 posted on 08/29/2009 5:32:39 AM PDT by AUTiger83
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