Posted on 08/31/2009 6:46:31 AM PDT by kellynla
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Firefighters tried Monday to hold back a massive wildfire from consuming thousands of Los Angeles-area homes and a crucial communications center as they mourned two firefighters killed when their vehicle rolled down a mountain.
About 12,000 homes, as well as communications and astronomy centers atop Mount Wilson, were threatened by fire. At least 6,600 homes were under mandatory evacuation orders Sunday night and over 2,500 firefighters were battling the flames. On the blaze's northwestern front, two firefighters were killed Sunday on Mount Gleason near the city of Acton.
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Please correct the name of the link.
It should read Orange County Register.
Sorry, I’m a little upset here.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
The last two days have been very smokey in Las Vegas, 250 miles away.
Not to appear insensitive but this seems to be a story line we see each and every year at about this time. Has there been any talk as to how these sorts of fires can be prevented or at least their scope diminished?
I thought Mt. Wilson, the towers and the observatory were expected to be consumed before midnight pacific time last night?
We're a little too busy fighting fires, today.
In the meantime, try praying for the Firefighters and those whose homes are in danger.
Are you in the path?
It’s a desert, there’s not a lot to do. Metal roofs, brush control, even then...
* Wilhelm scream *
Prayers up Kelly. May the Lord protect those on the front lines of this.
It gets complicated. You've got communities and neighborhoods growing into the woods. When the inevitable fire comes, instead of just burning some countryside and killing a few rabbits you've got houses burning. Firefighters are then tasked with saving property rather than building fire breaks and letting the fire consume itself. Compound that with the enviros that won't allow brush clearing or other common sense fire abatement measures and that's why this scenario plays out year after year across the West.
RE: Compound that with the enviros that won’t allow brush clearing or other common sense fire abatement measures and that’s why this scenario plays out year after year across the West.
I don’t understand why the enviros have this law, it seems counter productive.
Yep, it's called brush clearing. Last I knew, it was still illegal in CA.
tons of smoke at certan times depending how the wind is blowing. They sky is very smoky here on the other side of the mountain in the San Fernando Valley here.
+1. Prayers for our firemen who take this on so bravely and in their service help so many others.
After a devastating fire in Yosemite Valley some years back, the state of California began brush clearance operations in that area with a vengeance. I've driven through Yosemite in the summer, and have seen mile after mile after mile of baled forest litter along the highways.
“Yep, it's called brush clearing. Last I knew, it was still illegal in CA.”
Okay, for the LAST TIME AFTER TWO DAYS OF REPEATING THE FACT.
THIS AREA IS THE ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST...
THE OPERATIVE WORD IS “NATIONAL” WHICH MEANS IT IS FEDERAL LAND.
CALIFORNIANS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER FEDERAL LANDS.
GET IT?
SHEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Now, if you want to do something "constructive" ;come our here and help us fight the fires on FEDERAL LAND or at least pray!
Seems as if Mother Nature is unaware of the law since she appears to be taking care of the brush clearing in her own way.
I only ask out of ignorance, and the fact that when I found it was illegal, my first reaction was "So What?".
When it comes to obeying a law that's likely unenforceable, and saving my house from burning flat, that's an easy choice.
Yep. Depends on if you want it handled the easy way or the hard way.
Isn’t this what the statists want: depopulate swaths of rural and suburban areas and either move the inhabitants into inner city high rises or terminate them via Death Care? They talk about using bulldozers... but fires work just as well.
Sheesh, I really don't know. Until I saw a couple of posts about that on these wildfire threads, I'd never heard of it.
I do know that years back in LA, you would get cited by the county if you let dry brush or tinder accumulate on your property. Especially in rural or hillside areas.
My reaction is the same as yours. I'll be damned if I'm going to put my family or my property in jeopardy because of some ridiculous "green" ordinance.
“Compound that with the enviros that won’t allow brush clearing or other common sense fire abatement measures and that’s why this scenario plays out year after year across the West.
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Don’t lump Colorado in with the whackjobs of Kali. We allow and even demand fire abatement measures to include cutting anything and everything around structures.
We, of course, have many who do not protect their buildings from fire and their homes and buildings burn but that is called “freedom”; they are free not to and without complaint from any of us. It is not our property. We’ll help save their property and even help them rebuild because that is what living in forested areas is about.
“Don’t lump Colorado in with the whackjobs of Kali. We allow and even demand fire abatement measures to include cutting anything and everything around structures.”
Yeaaaaaaaaa...you do a bang-up job in CO...
Hayman Fire Disaster - Pike National Forest, Colorado - June, 2002
“The premiere fire that year was the Hayman which burned 138,000 acres and 133 homes in 20 days. It still holds the record for being Colorado’s largest wildfire ever. Most of the fire (72%) stayed on the Pike National Forest south and west of Denver and northwest of Colorado Springs, Colorado. Enough fire escaped national forest lands to cause significant private damage.”
And don’t bother to ask how many CALIFORNIA FIREFIGHTERS VOLUNTEERED TO GO TO COLORADO AND WENT TO FIGHT THE HAYMAN FIRE!
“Don’t lump Colorado in with the whackjobs of Kali.”
Or how ‘bout these...
“6,500 acre wildfire that broke out near Colorado Springs on March 3, 2009”
“Wildfires broke out in Boulder County, Colorado, on the afternoon of January 7, 2009”
“On April 15, 2008, wildfires in Colorado caused the evacuation of the towns of Ordway and Carbondale, as well as a voluntary evacuation of Fort Carson. Three people died in the fires.”
I suggest you keep your “Kali” wise ass remarks to yourself.
It was all hype by the news geeks.
In this particular fire, Mt. Wilson repeaters and transmission towers were never in any real danger, because that area is pretty small and easy to defend from the air. They ringed the entire area in fire retardant long before the flames ever got near it. But it made for great news on TV.
Think of it like one house in the middle of a forest. If you devote much of your resources to protect that one spot, you’ll very likely succeed.
You’re reading my mind with that response and you saved me from typing that myself.
A lot of people who had evacuated the Lake Arrowhead/Big Bear areas came down to the LBC to stay. I recall sitting in a Starbucks and listening to a woman talking on her cell phone - an evacuee sitting there with her two dogs - and she was b!tching about how all the fires were George Bush's fault because he wouldn't allow the forest service to clear the trees that had died from the Bark Beetle infestation. Ahem - "Hi, stupid lady? THE SIERRA CLUB IS YOUR PROBLEM, not the President. Why don't you blame them? Idiot." And I walked away.
As far as I know, the Sierra Club has not backed down and there is still plenty of dead fuel all over the Southwest. New Mexico is primed for a bad fire season, too. Lots of dead trees out there from Bark Beetle that have not been cleared.
Yea, well I get very tired of these out-of-state clowns coming on CA threads with their stupid remarks...like THEIR states NEVER have disasters...why hell if not for CA and other state Firefighters VOLUNTEERING to go elsewhere like Colorado to fight THEIR fires, Colorado would look like a briquette today!
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-tivid-livestream-b,0,1174195.tividlivestream
WATCH LIVE: KTLA Sky 5 Over Yucaipa Fire
Thanks we’re monitoring Internet, radio, TV & phones here.
Prayers up!
I’m listening to the scanner from here in northern California. Hoping and praying for you all.
It sounds like it more than doubled yesterday.
Our very scary fire is ok, now...although we lost 60 houses and commercial buildings.
Well, until you can control wether or not we have drought, and the humidity, and the temperature....But thanks for the help.
Any excuse to bad mouth California...
Most of these people are just jealous of Cal or plain ignorant.
What some of these people don't realize, is California has some of the best, most highly trained rescue teams, law enforcement, and firefighters in the *world*.
As you pointed out, in Katrina, New Orleans, Hurricane Ike, 911 terrorist attacks in New York, Oklahoma City bombing etc, etc Californians were requested and were right there helping out the folks in other states.
We do this all the time.
Thank you both for your prayers.
“As you pointed out, in Katrina, New Orleans, Hurricane Ike, 911 terrorist attacks in New York, Oklahoma City bombing etc, etc Californians were requested and were right there helping out the folks in other states.”
Thank you!
My grandfather was a Fire Captain and he & I never asked “what state is on fire?” as if it made any difference.
If there is a fire and they need help, YOU GO!
ROFL!
Fire is long overdue for most National Forests in
Kaliph. I say let them burn. Get the people out.
Its not worth losing firefighters over.
Good morning...I was beginning to think I was the “Lone Ranger” ‘round here. LOL
Any smoke your way?
Good morning...I was beginning to think I was the “Lone Ranger” ‘round here. LOL
Any smoke your way?
oops sorry for the dbl post...
BTW, have you heard from “calcowgirl”...haven’t seen a post from her in 2 months?
We are praying for the brave firefighting crews and for our fellow Californians down south. We had the 49er fire up here yesterday in Auburn.
heard from “calcowgirl”
Nothing here..
Well, I hope she is “okay”
Any smoke up your way?
I am feeling some eye irradiation from the smoke even though I am staying indoors mostly....but I do have fans running...
Next time Washington floods, from all that rain, I’ll remind you that we shouldn’t have built where it rains so much.
You should get out while you can.
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