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Court document swears Kenyan birth cert legit- Owner risks perjury in high-profile case
WND ^ | 9/6/09 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 09/06/2009 5:16:18 PM PDT by pissant

With a scheduled hearing date looming Tuesday, Lucas Smith, the man who tried to sell an alleged Barack Obama Kenyan birth certificate on eBay, has filed court papers in a high-profile eligibility case insisting – under threat of perjury – that the Obama birth certificate in his possession is the genuine article.

Smith filed his affidavit through California attorney Orly Taitz, who has spearheaded several lawsuits challenging Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve as president, as part of a case that includes as plaintiff former presidential candidate Alan Keyes.

Taitz posted on her blog Smith's declaration, which claims he obtained the alleged birth certificate from Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, and insists it's real.

"The true and correct photocopy of the birth certificate obtained is attached to this affidavit as Exhibit A," the declaration reads. "I declare, certify, verify, state and affirm under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing statements of fact and descriptions of circumstances and events are true and correct."

Smith's affidavit, which includes a copy of the certificate, has been filed with Judge David Carter of the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. Carter is scheduled to preside over a hearing on the case on Sept. 8.

Taitz told WND she believes the swiftly approaching court date prompted Smith into action:

"He has been in touch with me for quite a while, and he emailed me the document with his signature," Taitz said. "I think he was trying to figure out the most expedient way to bring his message public, and maybe he felt that because I have a hearing coming, that would be the most expedient way."

Taitz hopes the court will order expedited discovery, a ruling that would open

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To: theFIRMbss

Obama is “president.”
He got there by telling fibs
I’m not sure he’s legal.

Consider that he lies
but people still believe
the people he fooled.

Has duped the citizens
given him money to be redistributed
a custom made poser....


21 posted on 09/06/2009 5:46:04 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: NoobRep
Well if the guy is willing to perjure himself, he either doesn’t mind going to jail or he’s pretty sure he has the real thing.

If he goes to jail it apparently wouldn't be the first time.

22 posted on 09/06/2009 5:46:47 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Or he is smart as a fox, because if they prosecute him he can demand to see the zero's Hawaii birth certificate in discovery.

Doesn't mean they'll allow it.

23 posted on 09/06/2009 5:49:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Or he is smart as a fox, because if they prosecute him he can demand to see the zero's Hawaii birth certificate in discovery.

Now THIS is smart. Please let it be true. Even if he was born in Hawaii, there is something on that certificate that he does not want seen.

24 posted on 09/06/2009 5:49:52 PM PDT by LouisianaJoanof Arc
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To: pissant
WND has been on the wrong side of the Smith BC for awhile now. They haven't had much to say on it till now. Even now rehashing old stuff they posted earlier. Like “Jerome Corsi investigation into the Smith BC” WHAT INVESTIGATION? He looked at the crappy video we all saw, some INVESTIGATION.
Then they talk about looking at the “enhanced” video, again that we all saw. It was WORSE than the original video. SOME INVESTIGATION. No mention of the posting on FR of a VERY good image of the Smith BC. Maybe Jerome's investigation MISSED it. Jerome Corsi should RESIGN just like his fellow “TRUTHER” Van Jones did. Here at FR Orly's Kenyan BC can not be proven to be a forgery (we had a real in depth investigation over 10,000 posts). Yet WND DECLARES it a forgery, it must be then. Must be Jerome Corsi did one of his in depth investigations. WND has done SOME good, but do I trust their info? HELL NO. Verify! They have been dead right and dead wrong. This is just the latest example of wrong.
25 posted on 09/06/2009 5:52:13 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: SpaceBar

ROLF!


26 posted on 09/06/2009 5:52:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: fortunecookie
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here. (Please save & cache the recording)

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
Don't click through the link to utube on WND but rather listen to the recording on site. The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts. (be sure to save & cache this if you know how--because obama's people are actively hunting this stuff down)

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother?

This post does a very very good job of showing how the information from kenya, hawaii, citizenship rules and presidential "natural born" rules fit together.

The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record. Especially since it seems Obama's people instigated the break in.
27 posted on 09/06/2009 5:55:07 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: faucetman

Smith does a fair job of plausibly rebutting Corsi in his Youtube video, which made Corsi back of somewhat from his previous article.


28 posted on 09/06/2009 5:56:07 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: wintertime

ping


29 posted on 09/06/2009 6:08:02 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: ckilmer

Excellent post, but I can’t let this slide “existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President”

McCain is NOT eligible. NOT “born of the soil” citizen at birth NOT natural born. Canal Zone NOT US soil AND McCain born in Colon hospital, NOT under jurisdiction of the Canal Zone Treaty anyway.

Not to be a pest, but we must get this stuff RIGHT. Don’t site me laws & rulings, HE WASN’T BORN ON US SOIL. NOTHING can change that PERIOD.


30 posted on 09/06/2009 6:13:45 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: pissant

Click for more info


Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

31 posted on 09/06/2009 6:14:02 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: pissant

Somehow, somewhere, there is a US Court that will hear this case. I am hopeful that this is the one, but recent history is not promising.

IMO, 0bama is ineligible to hold the office he occupies, until he resolves this issue. It is a critical Constitutional issue and deserves a full and complete hearing and resolution.

Do the right thing, Mr. 0bama. Do the right thing.

It’s time to take back the country.


32 posted on 09/06/2009 6:14:35 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: theFIRMbss
The paper is real
The document's authentic
Smith says to believe

him when he tells us
and goes to court to prove that
he is not lying

Kenya his birthplace
Doctor Taitz found out the truth
Supreme Court says “No”

Not all will believe
Media is skeptical
They call us ‘birthers’

We plod on, our task
to expose the usurper
and send him away

People united
will never be defeated
We know he's not right

The Constitution
our only hope at this time
we pray for success...

33 posted on 09/06/2009 6:20:19 PM PDT by Deo volente ("By August (1992) I was a communist." Van Jones, Obama's former Green Czar.)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Biden’s listed as a co-defendant in the suit. He would go down as well.


34 posted on 09/06/2009 6:21:47 PM PDT by Katdaddy
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To: theFIRMbss
>In his filing, Smith declares that he traveled to Kenya in February and paid off a military officer in order to obtain a copy of the birth certificate from Coast General Hospital in Mombasa.>

Agree with you. The same dude probably would have sold him a birth certificate that said I was born in Coast General Hospital (I sure wasnt).

You can buy anything you want in some countries for the right price. But trusting its authenticity is another story entirely.

35 posted on 09/06/2009 6:22:07 PM PDT by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: pissant

You post in Haiku?

############

LOL!


36 posted on 09/06/2009 6:23:46 PM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: pissant

Ok now this is getting silly.

Selling it on ebay ?

I don’t think he’s a citizen not for a minute but stunts like this have to be done by the 5th column.


37 posted on 09/06/2009 6:27:02 PM PDT by lucias_clay (All We Weed Up !)
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To: Deo volente; Red Steel
>Obama is “president.”
>He got there by telling fibs
>I’m not sure he’s legal. ...

>The paper is real
>The document's authentic
>Smith says to believe ...







Hey, beers all around!
Have a nice weekend. I'm off
to watch tennis now.

38 posted on 09/06/2009 6:28:15 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: pissant
If a relative of Obama’s can ask for a copy, why doesn't someone have his half brother living in a hut request a copy of Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate.

Seems like he could be persuaded to ask for it, given the right incentive.

39 posted on 09/06/2009 6:30:16 PM PDT by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: theFIRMbss

LOL!

Lots of upsets in the U.S. Open this week. Enjoy the tennis!


40 posted on 09/06/2009 6:32:18 PM PDT by Deo volente ("By August (1992) I was a communist." Van Jones, Obama's former Green Czar.)
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