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1 posted on 09/07/2009 2:45:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Am I surprised that he couldn’t have summed all that drivel up with “I’m sorry, she was right”? Not really.


2 posted on 09/07/2009 2:48:19 PM PDT by TheZMan ("I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.")
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There is not, and never will be, some mythical jack-booted panel of government pinheads, rubber stamps in hand, deciding who shall live and who shall die.

"It-will-never-happen-here" alert.

3 posted on 09/07/2009 2:50:37 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hang the Czars.)
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There are far too many people in the media who have no knowledge of the written word. Palin engaged in something called dramatic hyperbole. She used death panels, not as a real fact, but as dramatiztion to alert Americans as to where this hope and change may lead us. Was she successful? One five paragraph essay not only went viral, but wound up eliminating the panels people said didn’t exist.


4 posted on 09/07/2009 2:56:17 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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Comments????

Sure. The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.


5 posted on 09/07/2009 2:56:20 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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She’s right. It’s less personalized than a star chamber death panel, but it is effectively the same thing.

At a once or twice removed level, rules are laid down about what treatment will be paid for.

But, perhaps more importantly, as the government bureaucracy becomes less like America and more like Barack’s America, you will have people interpreting those rules. If you are not somebody important, or if they don’t like your accent, you will be denied. Since it’s the government, with its sovereign immunity, what are you going to do — sue? So the death panels are distributed, but the net effect is the same, and it will be built into the system.


6 posted on 09/07/2009 2:59:25 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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Good grief, are people still writing columns about death panels? She said many weeks ago and has moved on; why can’t these columnists let it go?


7 posted on 09/07/2009 3:00:32 PM PDT by nomoremods
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There is not, and never will be, some mythical jack-booted panel of government pinheads, rubber stamps in hand, deciding who shall live and who shall die.

Take John Edgell's word for it - never be. We can rest assured, John says so.

And he calls other people idiots?
8 posted on 09/07/2009 3:00:40 PM PDT by alecqss
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Sarah Palin, unlike any other Republican, effectively derailed ObamaCare.

Her “conservative” critics should shut up.


9 posted on 09/07/2009 3:02:03 PM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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Guess he should have entitled this piece “A ‘sort of’ inconvenient truth”.


10 posted on 09/07/2009 3:04:49 PM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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Very interesting. Palin was right, but because she presented a truth with a negative effect on the Obama agenda (along with most other truth) she is a lunatic.

So far no administration spin doctor has been able to come up with an understandable explanation of how Obamacare can function WITHOUT “death panels.”

Makes no difference what you call them, the panels/patient review boards/health rationing czars or whatever — their function WILL be to allocate funds on a “years of useful life remaining per dollar” basis. Any claim to the contrary is absurd and the person making it is [fill in your own pejorative term.]

Hint to the dubious: Research any similar government program, income tax code, medicare, medicaid, welfare, any and every “great society” entitlement, or whatever and try to find ONE that did not wind up costing many, many times the promised maximum cost......


12 posted on 09/07/2009 3:05:50 PM PDT by LoneStarC (1)
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There's a lot wrong here. Of course folks in religious based hospices are more likely to receive "counseling" ~ but that doesn't prohibit the exact same religious group from extending "counseling" to those of their number who are located in a for-profit hospice.

Regarding "time spent in a hospice", the writer assumes there's some sort of equality of condition on entry to any of these facilities ~ which there isn't, plus, the fact the for profit operators are growing at a furious clip could well be as a consequence of the religious operators not being able to expand fast enough.

What the writer needs are NUMBERS. They can be our friends in times like these.

Now, about the "death panels", that was inherant in moving the control of the "output budget" for medical care to the Congress. Right now the greater part of the nation's medical care budget is in the control of the individuals who seek it ~ not their Congresscritters ~ and it should stay that way.

14 posted on 09/07/2009 3:11:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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"Tactically, however, Palin’s move was pure brilliance: in but a few keystrokes she synthesized the underlying suspicion at least half of Americans have about a government role in health care delivery and created a visual metaphor from which the Obama White House and congressional Democrats still haven’t fully recovered." And that's the point. Sarah Palin has turned the left's own tactics against them. Liberals have been exaggerating the words and deeds of Republicans for years, including their positions on issues and the language of their legislation. All she did was to give them a little does of their own medicine, and it's making their heads explode. Bravo Zulu, Sarah! - JP
15 posted on 09/07/2009 3:24:49 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("Government cannot make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise." - Sarah Heath Palin)
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This is a month old and the left is still pissed about this?


16 posted on 09/07/2009 3:48:42 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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Of course there will be rationing. There is now to an extent with the insurance companies. But I'd far rather fight the insurance company than the government.

Sarah did an excellent job in bringing this up.

In the newspaper's (I still read it to see what the public slant is) op-ed section a week or so ago, there were two letters to the editor from 17 year olds.

One 17 year old said every life is precious, no matter what the age.

The other, however, was of the opinion that when a person becomes old, it is time for them to step aside so the young people can have a chance. I hope this young person feels the same when the definition of “old” becomes 30, as it well could.

17 posted on 09/07/2009 4:00:09 PM PDT by berdie (Philosophies of the school room in one generation will reflect the government philosophy of the next)
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Dear John (no John, this isn't another “kiss-off” letter from one of your girlfriends - you got one of those last week, remember?),

When your initial argument is to call Governor Palin and idiot, you've already lost the argument.

Go home John, and start fixing up the spare bedroom, a lot of your leftist Democrat (yea John, I know it's an oxymoron) pals will be unemployed after the 2010 elections.

And with all they will have done to the economy by then, McDonalds won't need their services either.

Goodbye John, make it like we never knew ya.

18 posted on 09/07/2009 4:02:09 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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He takes her death panel remark to the extreme “jackboot” stage to refute her then turns on a dime to admit that she’s right. His fear of Sarah Palin becomes palpable, as he goes to outrageous contortions to smear her right before he calls her brilliant.


19 posted on 09/07/2009 4:11:26 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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We have already had death panels for dialysis in its early days, and we have today death panels for transplant centers.

The panels may be community muckymucks and not government pinheads, but the concept is well-established in American medicine, where scarcity requires selection of who shall die.

If Trig Palin had had kidney failure in 1962, he would have been condemned to die from it, while scarce lifesaving dialysis time would have been allocated to someone with a better "profile."

If he needed a liver transplant to survive today, he would likewise be comdemned to die from liver failure rather than receive a transplant that could otherwise go to someone with more "potential."

This 'rat-sucking jerkoff probably doesn't even realize that, with the induced scarcity of resources planned under Obamacare, such allocations would again be necessary, this time for a wide variety of conditions.

20 posted on 09/07/2009 4:16:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (truth--the liberal's kryptonite.)
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“in this case, hospice care.”

Terri Schiavo was murdered in a hospice, so I don’t ever want my loved ones, or myself, to go to one.

I know there are some prolife hospices, but how does one know which ones are prolife.


22 posted on 09/07/2009 10:52:42 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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There HAS to be Death Panels sometime to keep the cost down and next there will be BIRTH PANELS to keep the amount of children being born that we can’t afford to take care of. LOOK OUT, AMERICA!


23 posted on 09/08/2009 3:33:46 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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BUMP


24 posted on 09/09/2009 7:25:44 PM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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