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Why Obama's Speech Doesn't Matter (watch what the other hand is doing)
Foxnews.com ^ | September 9, 2009 | Glenn Beck

Posted on 09/09/2009 7:55:43 PM PDT by khnyny

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To: VeniVidiVici

The irony is is Obama and the libs are going to screw the average union worker and they don’t even know it.

With the projected job losses from cap and trade, and the loss of other union jobs that live off of those union jobs existing, there will be millions of union workers who get let go and won’t be in the union anymore.

They’re screwed and they don’t even know it yet. The only ones who’ll ride it out are the union leaders and administrators.


21 posted on 09/09/2009 8:19:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: khnyny

Single payer is only a means to an end. Massive government intrusion into your personal life and control over you is the real goal.

Hell they will be able to play God with you, they set up the rules if you live or die.


22 posted on 09/09/2009 8:21:07 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: khnyny
FYI. glenn's tweet from an hour ago:

Just finished hours of transcripts and tapes. The tides change beginning 2 morrow AM radio-full boat tv.Huge story!-

23 posted on 09/09/2009 8:27:16 PM PDT by Pete
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To: Secret Agent Man

Not quite. HR 3200 also calls for taxpayers funding union workers’ pensions. So, if the jobs go away, these people can negotiate early retirements and we’ll pay for it along with their health care.


24 posted on 09/09/2009 8:29:09 PM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: Pete

Hmmmmm......I wonder if Glenn is dropping a hint here. Is this bombshell about the Tides Foundation?


25 posted on 09/09/2009 8:31:18 PM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: khnyny

Part of the plan is to eventually replace the Union medical plans with a government plan paid by taxpayers, and to let the unions keep their multi-multi million dollar trust funds.

In return the unions will spend even larger amounts of money supporting democrats during every election.


26 posted on 09/09/2009 8:36:22 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat." - Claire Wolfe)
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It’s the Czars, Stupid


27 posted on 09/09/2009 8:43:08 PM PDT by IncPen (The Liberal's Reward is Self-Disgust)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Imho, there's already way too much government intrusion into people's lives.

There's a big difference between theory and real life.
28 posted on 09/09/2009 8:48:57 PM PDT by khnyny (Too much power in too few hands is always a problem.)
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To: khnyny

Spot on, Glenn!

Zero is a shill for the unions and Acorn and we must always
watch the hand behind his back.


29 posted on 09/09/2009 8:58:38 PM PDT by luvie (Obama is forcing change that produces NO hope!)
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To: khnyny

Saw this posted on Drudge http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574400571702189240.html
After reading this it appears this has nothing to do with “those poor people who can’t afford insurance” and everything to do with unionizing hospital workers, period.


30 posted on 09/09/2009 8:58:54 PM PDT by NicNacPattyWac
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To: khnyny

I believe Frank Luntz hit the nail on the head with his analysis tonight: President Obama’s speech will probably have some short-term effect, in raising the popularity of his healthcare-reform proposal a bit (at least, at the margins); but within a couple of weeks or so, that bump will have entirely dissipated.


31 posted on 09/09/2009 8:59:14 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: khnyny

He’s right.


32 posted on 09/09/2009 9:45:53 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

Maybe/hopefully even sooner with the march coming up this weekend


33 posted on 09/09/2009 9:47:11 PM PDT by Drrdot
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To: khnyny

Who has the link to the Supreme Court decision that says illegals have access to gov’t provided health care programs? Someone posted it in one of the big threads last night, and now I can’t find it.


34 posted on 09/10/2009 2:03:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: NicNacPattyWac

and along those same lines:

http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/10/and-you-thought-this-was-all-about-health-care/#more-206


35 posted on 09/10/2009 5:48:26 AM PDT by hyperconservative (Free drinks for "blackiswhite and imperial consigliere")
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To: hyperconservative

and from someone named “serfdom” on biggov dot com, this on the US postal service:
http://www.federaltimes.com/index.php?S=4265826


36 posted on 09/10/2009 5:53:06 AM PDT by hyperconservative (Free drinks for "blackiswhite and imperial consigliere")
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To: khnyny

So has Barney Frank, not three weeks ago, and quite explicitly.


37 posted on 09/10/2009 6:59:12 AM PDT by Wiseghy ( ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE $4 TRILLION DOLLARS AGO?)
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To: DakotaRed
Yeah, like Fanny/Freddy etc don't have excessive executive salaries.

What I want to know is where the reserves of the insurance companies will go. That's a huge pile of money. I doubt that they will let the reserves go back to the current shareholders or the policyholders.

38 posted on 09/10/2009 7:56:48 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: khnyny
The primary purpose of the Obama-care plan is to create a situation in which capitalism can once again be dealt a black eye. Employers will be forced to dump everyone's health insurance through "incentives" and penalties. The words rich, CEO, and profit have already been turned into pejoratives. When employers dump employees' health care it will be simple to paint them as evil and pave the way for mass unionization.

THAT'S what the other hand is doing.

39 posted on 09/10/2009 8:05:14 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: wayoverontheright

You are exactly right. Check out the following:

And You Thought This Was All About Healthcare...

http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/10/and-you-thought-this-was-all-about-health-care/


40 posted on 09/10/2009 12:49:58 PM PDT by khnyny (Too much power in too few hands is always a problem.)
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