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Woman bleeds to death after doctor punctures jugular - and no blood is available(UK)
Daily Mail UK ^ | 19th September 2009 | Liz Hull

Posted on 09/18/2009 10:24:39 PM PDT by Lorianne

A young woman died in hospital after waiting almost two hours for a blood transfusion that could have saved her. Sally Thompson, 20, bled to death after a doctor accidentally punctured her jugular vein during a bungled procedure.

Despite an urgent request to the blood bank at Manchester Royal Infirmary, she died one hour and 45 minutes later, before any arrived.

Speaking after her inquest, her father John, 62, said she would still be alive if the blood had been available sooner.

The retired farmer said: 'This hospital is supposed to be the cornerstone of the NHS in Manchester, but they couldn't get any blood for two hours.

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Why would you even start an operation if you didn't have enough blood on hand?
1 posted on 09/18/2009 10:24:39 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

What 3rd world country did the DR hail from?


2 posted on 09/18/2009 10:27:39 PM PDT by two23 (czars are for commies)
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To: Lorianne
Why would you even start an operation if you didn't have enough blood on hand?

Because that is the standard of care in third-world countries like England.

(Sorry to my British friends, the formulation was too nice to resist. I love your country dearly, it is the land of my ancestors and I dream constantly of going back there, but as far as medical care goes, nope.)

3 posted on 09/18/2009 10:29:48 PM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama!)
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To: Lorianne

What a hell hole.


4 posted on 09/18/2009 10:30:40 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Lorianne

“...she would still be alive if the blood had been available sooner.”

Stating the obvious. Who writes this?

The poor woman would be alive if the surgeon hadn’t puncture her jugular.

Prayers for the family.


5 posted on 09/18/2009 10:44:18 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: bamahead; rabscuttle385; Extremely Extreme Extremist; JulieRNR21

Government health care at work in the UK, which is slowly becoming a third-world country.


6 posted on 09/18/2009 10:56:50 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: This Just In

the reporter also states that O- is a common blood type.
It is not. Only about 7% of all people have Type O negative blood. http://chapters.redcross.org/br/northernohio/INFO/bloodtype.html

This reporter is a moron.

Pity, since the UK press is usually much better than in the US, even the liberal press.


7 posted on 09/18/2009 10:56:52 PM PDT by Wiseghy ( ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE $4 TRILLION DOLLARS AGO?)
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To: two23

Londonstan


8 posted on 09/18/2009 10:58:55 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Wiseghy

No decency in regards to the facts. At the very least the reporter could have shown more respect for the grieving family.


9 posted on 09/18/2009 11:04:46 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Lorianne

AND BRITISH CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS LIKE MR. HANNAN ON FOX NEWS THE OTHER DAY REFUSE TO CONDEMN THE NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE AND DEMAND AN END TO NATIONALIZED HEALTH CARE.

WE MUST NEVER ALLOW OBAMACARE BECAUSE ONCE WE GET IT PEOPLE WILL ACCEPT IS AS NORMAL LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY INCLUDING SO-CALLED CONSERVATIVES AND REPUBLICANS.


10 posted on 09/18/2009 11:06:31 PM PDT by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lorianne

“This hospital is supposed to be the cornerstone of the NHS in Manchester,...”

Lenin stated: “Medicine is the cornerstone of the arch of the socialist state”.

He never said “medicine is the cornerstone of the health of any nation-state and its citizens”.

They are just noticing the difference even though they never made the proper distinction using educated, discriminative thought.


11 posted on 09/18/2009 11:09:47 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Lorianne

Well this just can’t be true. I keep seeing RATS on TV saying everybody in Britain loves the National Health. Of course, this dead woman isn’t going to complain.


12 posted on 09/18/2009 11:16:48 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Lorianne

They will have plenty of blood on their hands soon enough due to the death cult that is slowly invading their demographics.


13 posted on 09/18/2009 11:19:28 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Lorianne

And this is what obama and the libs want for us.


14 posted on 09/18/2009 11:30:56 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: GloriaJane; Lorianne
And this is what obama and the libs want for us.

It's all quite logical. Kill off the older generation with inferior health care and redirect the resources previously spent on the elderly to buy off a new constituency.

15 posted on 09/18/2009 11:35:56 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (I wonder why Solomon Ortiz (TX-27) is so afraid of talking with his constituents?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Slowly?!


16 posted on 09/18/2009 11:46:52 PM PDT by wazoo1031
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To: Lorianne
This is outrageous! Although the patient would have bled out pretty fast if the vessel had been an artery, any 100+ bed hospital in the US would have had sufficient blood on had to save this young woman. Even if she had been AB neg (the most rare type), they would have had at least a couple of units on hand and would have been able to use O neg as a back up until more could arrive from the Red Cross by Highway Patrol if necessary.

I know this because I am a Medical Technologist who has been the one in Blood Bank working to save such a patient. EVERY patient, young or old, insured or not would receive this kind of care. People in the US expect this. Those who are clamoring for a national health plan have no clue what they are really asking for.
17 posted on 09/19/2009 12:24:47 AM PDT by srmorton (Choose life!)
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To: Lorianne
Picture Obama as the surgeon and Uncle Sam as the patient with the punctured jugular.
18 posted on 09/19/2009 1:13:23 AM PDT by TheThinker
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To: Lorianne

Dreadful. RIP.


19 posted on 09/19/2009 1:16:28 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Lorianne

bookmark


20 posted on 09/19/2009 1:20:53 AM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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To: Lorianne

0bamaCare is a bungled procedure.


21 posted on 09/19/2009 4:39:03 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: Wiseghy

Re: Blood types. People with O- blood are universal donors but not universal recipients. On the other hand, had the woman been AB+ she could have received any blood type.


22 posted on 09/19/2009 4:44:02 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: Lorianne

FAIL


23 posted on 09/19/2009 4:51:18 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: reg45

But if worse came to worse, she could have been given o+. It would have made future pregnancies a problem, but at least she would be alive to worry about it.


24 posted on 09/19/2009 5:02:40 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: srmorton

Thanks for sharing your perspective.
Please tell everyone you know what you just said here.


25 posted on 09/19/2009 11:02:57 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: two23

“Dr Jaydeep Mandal, a critical care specialist registrar, who no longer works at the hospital, used a technique known as ‘landmark’ to find the blood vessel.”


26 posted on 09/19/2009 11:08:32 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: Lorianne

I did not mention in my post that I now teach Medical Laboratory Technology students at our local community college and have been for the past 25 years. My co-worker has only been here for about a year, but she worked for 12 years in Vermont prior to coming to NC. Although a good Catholic girl, she is a little more liberal than I am since she grew up in Vermont, but she does not look at national health care through rose-colored glasses. I heard her mention the health care debate during one of her recent lectures. She said that it is a complex problem and that it needs a lot of thought. She said she can vouch for the fact that Canadians cross the border ALL THE TIME to get medical care in Vermont that is not available to them in Canada.


27 posted on 09/19/2009 1:40:07 PM PDT by srmorton (Choose life!)
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To: reg45

I’m an O neg. Thanks for the reminder about uni donor vs. receiver.

I used to get bugged nearly daily by Red Cross solicitors. However, when I came in, their “diverse” staff ALWAYS treated me like cr-p, took hours of my time and a personal health condition (that they didn’t care about) made donating hard anyway. I had to beg for months, before I finally got put on the no-call list.


28 posted on 09/24/2009 11:17:57 PM PDT by Wiseghy ( ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE $4 TRILLION DOLLARS AGO?)
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To: Wiseghy

I don’t know who your blood donation service was, but the one I use, LifeSource (Northeastern Illinois) has always treated me with the greatest respect. I have been donating blood for the last eight years.


29 posted on 09/25/2009 3:12:38 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: reg45

The American Red Cross took over our local service. It’s been pretty bad every since. Seems like they hire nurses who can’t get jobs anywhere else.


30 posted on 09/25/2009 7:51:25 PM PDT by Wiseghy ( ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE $4 TRILLION DOLLARS AGO?)
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To: Wiseghy
I had to beg for months, before I finally got put on the no-call list.

Tell them you vacation in Africa. They'll never call again.

31 posted on 09/25/2009 7:56:09 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lorianne

I assume the proceedure involved the Internal Jugular Vein, as there is not a Jugular Vein. There is an Internal and External Jugular Vein. If the external jugular vein is lacerated all you do is tie it off. The Internal Jugular Vein could be damaged doing a thyroid proceedure or other neck procedure but it is axiomatic that when a vessel is punctured or lacerated you put pressure on it until you get help. Surely the operating surgeon knew the anatomy well enough to access above and below the puncture and gain access. Don’t get me wrong. I had much rather deal with an arterial (not he thoracic aorta) bleed than a large vein, but put pressure on the site of bleeding. for heaven’s sake.


32 posted on 09/25/2009 8:02:21 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Wiseghy

Every hospital usually has O neg on hand since it’s universal donor blood. In this case it would have been at least type specific for this patient.


33 posted on 09/25/2009 8:05:10 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Wiseghy
I used to get bugged nearly daily by Red Cross solicitors.

Ditto, until I got hep A in 1984. They wouldn't touch me with a 10 foot poll, now. At least it stopped the phone calls.

34 posted on 09/25/2009 8:09:38 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Lurker

Actually, I told them, truthfully, that I have viral flareups and may have been having one now.

I reported this to the nurses too and they just shrugged. Unless the specific virus shows up on their little check-list, you are considered “healthy”.

I didn’t know much about these things at the time, but it turns out that I was in the midst of an Acute Epstein Barr outbreak. Whoever got that blood got a full dose. Despite my protests and expressed concerns, the Red Cross nurses classified and sold my, relatively, rare and valuable donation as “baby safe”, since it fetches a much higher price. Oddly, I test neg. for most all other adult human viruses which pose a threat to newborns, thus, I have “baby blood”. I am certain EB would be very dangerous to children.

Gives you a little glimpse into, and a perspective on how national healthcare would be handled by such people with “checklists”.


35 posted on 09/25/2009 8:10:26 PM PDT by Wiseghy ( ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE $4 TRILLION DOLLARS AGO?)
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To: Wiseghy

Like I said, tell them you vacation in Africa. That’ll take care of their little checklists.


36 posted on 09/25/2009 8:16:58 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lorianne; cyborg

Not as bad as the hospital I just came from here in SE Texas, where I was admitted for a breathing problem, and I am a diabetic, they wouldn’t give me any insulin, because the doctor had perscribed the wrong dosage with a different insulin, and my sugar level started going through the roof, and when it reached 389, and they still wouldnt give me some because they couldn’t find the doctor, and they would talk to him when he came in the following evening.

Don’t trust our hospitals, just because they are American - we have dangerous, stupid people/hospitals here too !


37 posted on 10/17/2009 11:45:24 PM PDT by XBob (Jail the employers of the INVADERS !!)
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To: Lorianne; cyborg

PS - I had to threaten to leave the hospital without permission, to go home and get my own insulin, and then sue them for mal-practice, to get them to go and get a doctor who would give me the insulin I needed to get my sugar back down.

So, beware, even in American hospitals. Idiots populate make up a major portion of the population in every country of the world, this one included.


38 posted on 10/18/2009 12:43:04 AM PDT by XBob (Jail the employers of the INVADERS !!)
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To: XBob

Very true.
I just was just with my father for an extended stint in the hospital. I could write a book about all the things that happened there. It’s outrageous.

Don’t ever go to a hospital without someone there every minute as your advocate. You could very well die.


39 posted on 10/18/2009 8:44:49 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne; cyborg

“I just was just with my father for an extended stint in the hospital. I could write a book about all the things that happened there. It’s outrageous.”

It is absolutely amazing, all the errors and mistakes, and all the LIES, LITERALLY LIES, about what they did are horrendous. I just got out of the hospital, a short stay for breathing problems, 4 days, and I am a diabetic on insulin (my sugar was fine when I went in), and couldn’t get any insulin in the hospital, and my sugar (normally 100-140) went up and up and up, and they still wouldn’t give me insulin. When my sugar went to 385, and still got no relief, I finally threatened to walk out of the hospital and get my own insulin at home, and sue their pants off before I finally got insulin to bring my sugar down.

Then on my discharge checkout sheet they specified they had given me all the medicines I didn’t get.

Go get your medical records, all of them (they normally only want to give you a short summary), including your medications and doctors and nurses comments. You might be amazed to find, like I did, how different your records were from what really happened.


40 posted on 10/23/2009 5:27:24 PM PDT by XBob (Jail the employers of the INVADERS !!)
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