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Were Stone Age Britons Trigonometry Experts?
ICR News ^ | September 21, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 09/21/2009 8:30:56 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Man-made geographical high points in southern England and Wales have been observed for centuries, including earthworks, stone monuments like Stonehenge, and hill camps. But something quite unexpected about their distribution may have been verified...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; catholic; christian; creation; evangelical; evolution; intelligentdesign; judaism; lutheran; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie; protestant; science
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1 posted on 09/21/2009 8:30:56 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Let’s not go off on a tangent.


2 posted on 09/21/2009 8:32:06 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


3 posted on 09/21/2009 8:33:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: stephenjohnbanker

:o)


4 posted on 09/21/2009 8:33:42 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: stephenjohnbanker

But, it’s at least a positive sine!


5 posted on 09/21/2009 8:35:33 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Sine, sine, everywhere a sine!

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

6 posted on 09/21/2009 8:36:30 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: SpinnerWebb; stephenjohnbanker
"Were Stone Age Britons Trigonometry Experts?"

I'm going to have to see a lot of proof...;-)

7 posted on 09/21/2009 8:39:19 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I don’t mean to be obtuse but it just doesn’t add up.


8 posted on 09/21/2009 8:39:19 AM PDT by AussieJoe
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You are BAD, very bad!


9 posted on 09/21/2009 8:39:25 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s a sine of the times.


10 posted on 09/21/2009 8:39:25 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Can you hold on for a secant?


11 posted on 09/21/2009 8:39:34 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

They evolved to be that way.


12 posted on 09/21/2009 8:40:12 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GodGunsGuts
Man has this inborn tendency to put things in order. Out of that order, he derived mathematics.

Then he set about to put the universe and everything in it into a mathematical format.

Then he got arrogant, and began predicting things like "global warming"...

13 posted on 09/21/2009 8:40:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: stephenjohnbanker
With a name like stephenjohnbanker I'd have thought you'd make some remark about cosiners.
14 posted on 09/21/2009 8:41:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: GodGunsGuts
When the article was posted on September 14, no caveman was pictured, just the mapping and monument images. On September 15, however, the caveman appeared, as if to reinforce the evolutionary story, and a new title and URL were assigned to the article.

Mystery hackers from outer space......

15 posted on 09/21/2009 8:41:59 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yeah, I’ve got a minute or two...


16 posted on 09/21/2009 8:43:55 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves)
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To: GodGunsGuts

This has been known for years. The animal skin sails that they made were always perfect 30-60-90 triangles. They knew to make the bottom edge 1/2 the hypotenuse.

This is the origin of the term “fur sail sine”.


17 posted on 09/21/2009 8:44:19 AM PDT by OSHA (I want to meet the man that put the cat IN the bag.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s interesting how surprised some people are about how advanced *primitive* peoples were. There’s this mindset that just because they weren’t as technologically advanced as we are, or perhaps attributed supernatural causes to things that they had no way of knowing otherwise, that they were stupid.

*Primitive* does not equal *stupid*.

If they were that stupid, they wouldn’t have made the gains in knowledge and technology that they did. When one considers the level of knowledge that they were starting from, that they had to figure out what we take for granted, it’s rather amazing the things they were able to accomplish.

While they may have been primitive technology wise, I don’t think that we see that kind of brilliance much more these days.


18 posted on 09/21/2009 8:46:04 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: r9etb

“With a name like stephenjohnbanker I’d have thought you’d make some remark about cosiners. “

I will Log this, thank you!


19 posted on 09/21/2009 8:46:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

What’s the Square Root of SPAM?


20 posted on 09/21/2009 8:47:03 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

1


Tan don’t burn


21 posted on 09/21/2009 8:49:43 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Very sophisticated work, and of course they are real. John Michell wrote about all this years ago, the “dragon lines” in China, etc in his book “The View Over Atalantis”.


22 posted on 09/21/2009 8:49:53 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: metmom

Once can only imagine how incredibly intelligent the first couple must have been!


23 posted on 09/21/2009 8:50:57 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: LonePalm

Very funny LP!!


24 posted on 09/21/2009 8:51:40 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: GodGunsGuts

Genesis 11:6 (King James Version)

6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.


25 posted on 09/21/2009 8:53:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: stephenjohnbanker

But will you cosine my loan? ;-P


26 posted on 09/21/2009 8:54:17 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: metmom
I agree fully. I think the bias is one brought about by the concept that development is (roughly) linear and advancing, therefore we are at the pinnacle.

Between that bias and the "obvious deep religious significance" bias, I think we have centuries of misinterpretation behind us in cultural anthropology.

27 posted on 09/21/2009 8:54:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Between that bias and the "obvious deep religious significance" bias, I think we have centuries of misinterpretation behind us in cultural anthropology.

Yeah, it seems like everything the ancients did was attributed to religious motivation. No thought that what they did was simply practical.

And, again, there's the tendency to equate intelligence with technological development but that's rather misleading. You do the best with what you have and starting from scratch and developing it all, takes more brains than the situation we have today, where so much data id spoonfed to us, that there's no need to really think any more.

It's a lot easier to use a computer than to develop one. So, who's smarter, the person who can sit at a keyboard and run programs, or the person who created it all?

28 posted on 09/21/2009 9:01:39 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

[[Were Stone Age Britons Trigonometry Experts?]]

No- but htey were indeed origami experts


29 posted on 09/21/2009 9:03:08 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I can’t see any sine of what the angle of this article is.


30 posted on 09/21/2009 9:03:46 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Once can only imagine how incredibly intelligent the first couple must have been!

They don't look too bright to me.


31 posted on 09/21/2009 9:15:48 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

LOL!!!...on that I think it safe to say that we are in 100% agreement :o)


32 posted on 09/21/2009 9:17:40 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
on that I think it safe to say that we are in 100% agreement :o)

Bound to happen sooner or later!

33 posted on 09/21/2009 9:19:02 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: metmom
It's a lot easier to use a computer than to develop one. So, who's smarter, the person who can sit at a keyboard and run programs, or the person who created it all?

When you consider the tools and materials available say, 10,000 years ago, what would survive with the exception of stone and bone in just the right environs, besides earthworks?

If you were to shut down modern society, go back to roasting meat over a fire and picking berries for dinner, how long would the ruins persist, what technology would be recognizable in the detritus?

Even plastic degrades over time...

Our successful ancestors figured out the basics, whether that be herd movements, navigation on land and water, time, celestial movements, the seasons, food preservation, agriculture, and onward, often passing down those discoveries and techniques without the benefit of written (as far as we know, anyway) texts to aid them in the process.

The ability to create surviving written and universally readable texts has significntly advanced the rate of progress along technological and scientific lines. But while it has allowed the transmission and reevaluation of concepts, it has likewise increased the 'noise' component out there, especially of late.

Dumb? Stupid? Hardly. It takes genius to unearth fundamental concepts and use them, and only those who take them for granted miss that.

Perhaps then that knowledge was closely guarded, kept among a small group, and seemed like magic to the general population, perhaps not. But the workings of a hard drive might seem as much like magic to the person of today as the ability to determine when it was time to head for winter camp might have seemed to the nomad of 2000 years ago.

34 posted on 09/21/2009 9:20:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Anybody want to cosine my loan?


35 posted on 09/21/2009 9:25:34 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: OSHA

Best one of the thread so far...


36 posted on 09/21/2009 9:25:52 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: metmom

So, who’s smarter, the person who can sit at a keyboard and run programs, or the person who created it all?
______

Talk about your false dichotomies.


37 posted on 09/21/2009 9:31:54 AM PDT by dmz
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To: GodGunsGuts

The word “trigonometry” is misused here. Trig is a procedure for turning angular (rotational) measurement into linear measurement. The old Brits used geometry, not trig.


38 posted on 09/21/2009 9:37:37 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: GodGunsGuts

The content of this article is too scant. A 100 mile waypoint may not be visible due to the curvature of the Earth. 215 feet is swallowed up in 18 miles. I just did a quick calculation, you would need about 12,750feet of elevation change to see a tower 120nm away. So if their surveys are correct, they did not do the long runs by line-of-sight. This elevation could be accomplished by either end being elevated above the smooth Earth surface. On a clear day, Telescope Peak, CA can be seen from the Devil’s Punchbowl County Park, which is a distance of 112nm line-of-sight. The elevation of Telescope Peak is 11,300ft while the Punchbowl is 4200ft, which jives with the LOS calculation.


39 posted on 09/21/2009 10:04:00 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I’ll secant that!....................


40 posted on 09/21/2009 10:13:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money...M. Thatcher)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It is a vanity of modern day man to suppose that people living a very primitive life style are less intelligent so that if anything of note was accomplished by them, it’s a great mystery or wonder calling for questions of, “How could such primitive people” do this or that.


41 posted on 09/21/2009 10:19:41 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Let’s not go off on a tangent.

To stay on the right path, just follow the sines.

42 posted on 09/21/2009 10:23:17 AM PDT by sourcery (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: MortMan

Not for one secant.


43 posted on 09/21/2009 10:32:40 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Poincare

Nay not so, trig is the math part of geometry.


44 posted on 09/21/2009 10:36:22 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 09/21/2009 10:38:05 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

So Brian Thomas* is now an expert mathematician too?


46 posted on 09/21/2009 11:05:21 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts
“These observations and speculations fit perfectly with biblical history. It can be inferred from the biblical account of creation and the Fall that God made the first man as originally perfect, with his descendants gradually degrading over time as genetic corruption occurred”

What empirical evidence does Mr Thomas cite to support this assertion?

"This directly contradicts the erroneous evolutionary concept that ancient man emerged from apes"

This statement is not correct. The Evolutionary theory shows that Modern Men and Apes share a common ancestor. “Humans did not come from apes. No qualified person in the scientific community has ever made that claim, including Darwin. All apes and humans are desceneded from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists.”

Failure to understand even the basic concepts of the Evolutionary Theory does not help promote your argument.

47 posted on 09/21/2009 11:34:23 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: count-your-change
It is a vanity of modern day man to suppose that people living a very primitive life style are less intelligent so that if anything of note was accomplished by them, it’s a great mystery or wonder calling for questions of, “How could such primitive people” do this or that.

Considering the lack of 'advanced' technology that we have today, it is almost a 'miracle' that ancient man even survived. (/sarc)

48 posted on 09/21/2009 12:18:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: Ira_Louvin
Failure to understand even the basic concepts of the Evolutionary Theory does not help promote your argument.

No. It doesn't. It does, however, make one a member of a very large club.

49 posted on 09/21/2009 12:21:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

SITREP


50 posted on 09/21/2009 12:38:34 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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