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1 posted on 09/23/2009 7:06:56 PM PDT by Dementio
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“C’mon Granny, just TRY to breathe on your own. You can do it!”/extreme sarcasm off


2 posted on 09/23/2009 7:11:11 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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The time is coming when these jerks will find themselves facing down a rope and an angry mob.

LLS

3 posted on 09/23/2009 7:11:20 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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This is right up Dr. Zeke’s alley.....scarce resource???

Babies and Old People hit the skids first....


4 posted on 09/23/2009 7:13:26 PM PDT by RummyChick
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Anyone who hasn't figured out that this whole flu thing is a control mechanism generated by our leftist federal government is a fool.

It is either a trial balloon to see how far they can push us, or an outright attack on freedom of assembly and movement.

We will see.

5 posted on 09/23/2009 7:14:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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As harsh as this article may sound the practice makes sense. And while it has the potential for abuse, I think the possibility of poor decision making by impassioned family members is much more likely.


6 posted on 09/23/2009 7:16:46 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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Buy your own ventilators now folks!

I wonder what criteria were used during polio epidemics when they rationed those old "iron lung" machines. They must have had some guidelines.

I also wonder what would happen to private insurance companies if a really bad flu epidemic hit the US. Would some insurance companies just declare bankruptcy and disappear in the night, the way some insurance companies do after earthquakes or hurricanes? Or would the government pick up the tab for preventing and treating the flu since it's a communicable disease?

9 posted on 09/23/2009 7:21:27 PM PDT by kittykat77
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You have to plan for overwhelming emergencies.

There could be a situation where there are more people who need ventilators than there are machines, in any particular hospital.

What bugs me is that the government wants to make the rules. I’d prefer to leave it to the doctors—with the courts following up if they behave with clear injustice.


10 posted on 09/23/2009 7:21:27 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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These articles are jokes...compare today with anti-biotic and sulfa drugs to a 1918 outbreak....give me a break...lets scare everyone....People die if the flu and complications of it every year.....

Headlines in the newspaper "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE......) someday..

12 posted on 09/23/2009 7:22:09 PM PDT by goat granny
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“Flu Nightmare: In Severe Pandemic, Officials Ponder Disconnecting Ventilators From Some Patients”

In severe fascism, citizens ponder ventilating politicians and bureaucrats...


13 posted on 09/23/2009 7:22:42 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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Well, how very OBAMA of them!


17 posted on 09/23/2009 7:26:46 PM PDT by airborne (Don't let history record that, when faced with evil, you did nothing!)
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"Officials calculated that 18,000 additional New Yorkers would require ventilators in the peak week of a flu outbreak as deadly as the 1918 pandemic. Only a thousand machines would be available, the officials estimated. The state’s acute care hospitals in 2005 had about 6000 ventilators, 85% of which were normally in use."

Here's the problem. We have managed care, down to where there is no excess capacity in the system. New York only has enough ventilators to handle a 17% (15%/85%) increase over normal. Certainly not a pandemic.

I think the rationing plan is necessary. But the public would be better served by a plan to obtain and store excess ventilators and/or a plan to ramp production of ventilators. I see a new respiratory ventilator on Froogle for $2000.

Solution 1:Buy another 5000 machines for a cost of $10,000,000 and put them in storage. Then you would at least have a reasonable hedge.

Solution 2: For a cost of 17,000*$2,000= $34,000,000 you'd have all 18,000 machines available. It's probably not reasonable given the probable availability of vaccines.

Solution 3: Work with the manufacturer to develop plans for rapid ramping of production of the machines and/or possible cheaper stop-gap models.

The cost is probably neglible compared the lost taxes if those people die.

20 posted on 09/23/2009 7:28:29 PM PDT by DannyTN
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How many ventilator patients can your local hospital sustain? One poor Brit teen in Greece I read about has been on life support for months.

death panels


26 posted on 09/23/2009 7:47:01 PM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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Death Care....just a moment away.
27 posted on 09/23/2009 7:47:12 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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Congressmen, senators and those who donated to Obama go to the head of the line.


33 posted on 09/23/2009 7:59:13 PM PDT by ladyjane
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Do the senior citizens who voted for Obama know this?


36 posted on 09/23/2009 8:10:07 PM PDT by Ballygrl
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Not really. It would be criminal to let people with the flu into the hospital building. They will need to be treated off site and seen in their cars.
37 posted on 09/23/2009 8:16:41 PM PDT by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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Now Mrs. Brown, how did your husband vote in the last election? Did your family make the right campaign donations? We’ll make our decision after we have read through all of your husband’s e-mails, blogs and social networking sites as well as telephone records and text messages.


40 posted on 09/23/2009 8:22:49 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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If the hysteria gets that bad during a flu pandemic I doubt the hospitals will be able to function. I can't imaging thousands of people trying to get their love ones into the ER. The thin veneer of civility in our current society will crack and the rules of anarchy will apply. Physicians, nurses and law enforcement presence will evaporate. Look at what happened in New Orleans. The facade of government security will vanish and human self dependency and the laws of nature will rule. God have mercy on us.

In India if you don't have enough money to get into the hospital to be placed on a ventilator the physicians will intubate you but your family members must take turns to squeeze the ambu bag to keep you alive.

66 posted on 09/23/2009 9:36:04 PM PDT by pterional
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Liberals writing rules just in case they have a good excuse to kill a lot of old people and take over family decisions.

Canada is running around dropping off body bags in areas of the country just in case the global warming watermelons there strike gold with the swine flu.


74 posted on 09/23/2009 10:56:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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So what would you suggest? We have X number of ventilators.
In a real nasty pandemic we might have 5X patients needing ventilators. Triage is a reality in any mass casualty situation.


84 posted on 09/25/2009 5:06:57 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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