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ATF tells TN that a federal gun law trumps the state’s
Commercial Appeal ^ | september 23, 2009 | Richard Locker

Posted on 09/23/2009 7:28:59 PM PDT by HogsBreath

NASHVILLE - The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has told Tennessee gun dealers to disregard a state statute that exempts firearms made and sold inside Tennessee from federal gun laws and registration.

The ATF says the federal laws still apply regardless of the state's move.

The Tennessee legislature considered and approved several bills this year to reduce restrictions on firearms, including one bill that its sponsors labeled the "Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act." It passed overwhelmingly, the House 87-1 and the Senate 22-7, despite warnings by some lawmakers that it could subject Tennessee citizens to federal prosecution and imprisonment.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 2nd; atf; banglist; batfe; bootthebatfe; commerceclause; donttreadonme; guns; jbt; liberalfascism; raich; shallnotbeinfringed; statesrights; teaparty; tennessee; tenthamendment; wickard
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If Tenessee closes down ATF Offices in the state, then there is a good chance we will have a very interesting show down.

State law generally controls the use,taxation and licensing of personal property.

If the ATF wants federal supremacy in fire arms use that involves no interstate component, then they will have to show an over riding interest in domination of state law.

Tenessee obviously will not be laying down on this one.

81 posted on 09/23/2009 8:28:28 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
A cannon is NOT a fire arm. It is a recoil propelled motor vehicle.
82 posted on 09/23/2009 8:30:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: SandWMan; Talisker
Sad, isn't it?

The framers at some point probably took a break and went into the countryside, smoked some cigars, downed some brew, compared war wounds, and shot at some fowl-before going back and building a nation.

You know, guy stuff.

83 posted on 09/23/2009 8:31:42 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Palin-I cannot spare this woman. She fights.)
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To: Spktyr
Hope you saved your Confederate money; the South *will* rise again.

Amen!

84 posted on 09/23/2009 8:33:14 PM PDT by OSHA (I pledge my life, my fortune and my sacred honor. I take an XL in a body bag. Bring your own.)
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To: GingisK

2nd amendment specifically says “Congress shall make no law...” so even if they did write and pass a law, that law would be specifically and demonstrably unconstitutional.


85 posted on 09/23/2009 8:33:20 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( I am a proud citizen of GlennBeckistan. ))))
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To: MattinNJ

We can’t afford that; Soldier.


86 posted on 09/23/2009 8:33:56 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: HogsBreath
I read it and reread it, but I can't find in the 2nd Amendment where it gives any branch of the federal government, including the Federal Courts any authority to say or do anything about the People's right to keep and bear arms. Per the plain language prohibiting the federal government, the FEDERAL Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over 2nd Amendment issues. To give such a branch of the federal government such power to infringe the protected rights of the people ignores both the 2nd and the 10th limitations on the entire federal government.
87 posted on 09/23/2009 8:35:41 PM PDT by Mechanicos
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To: Candor7
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88 posted on 09/23/2009 8:44:12 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Mechanicos
I read it and reread it, but I can't find in the 2nd Amendment where it gives any branch of the federal government, including the Federal Courts any authority to say or do anything about the People's right to keep and bear arms. Per the plain language prohibiting the federal government, the FEDERAL Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over 2nd Amendment issues.

Congress uses the Commerce Clause to accomplish this sort of mischief, and SCOTUS has been derelict in its duty to stop it.

To give such a branch of the federal government such power to infringe the protected rights of the people ignores both the 2nd and the 10th limitations on the entire federal government.

Yep. The New Deal Commerce Clause has been poison to many of our natural rights.

89 posted on 09/23/2009 8:45:40 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Dov in Houston
that is funny considering that the most retarded antigun arguments slobber on about the 'shall not be infringed' part being fed, and that the states and cities therein are exempt...

cant have it both ways...

90 posted on 09/23/2009 8:52:39 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Luke 22:36...Trust in the Lord...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: HogsBreath

I heard a guy from Montana on a sportsmen radio show (the type that runs on the radio on a Saturday morning at 6am), and some group there is trying to pass a law that will allow it’s citizens to buy a firearm that is manufactured in Montana so as to allow the purchaser to buy it without a Federal background check, as long as the gun stays in Montana (it will be so marked).

He also used as an example that at Ruby Ridge, the FBI sniper that shot Randy Weaver(?) was arrested by the local sheriff, and charged with murder, but he somehow got out of it.


91 posted on 09/23/2009 8:54:09 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("I'm a fan of disruptors" - Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Ken H

“Oh you can keep and bear them alright, you just can’t buy or sell them”


92 posted on 09/23/2009 8:54:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Dov in Houston

Federal Law oversees State Law whether we like it or not

Only in areas that the federal government is given Constitutional authority.


93 posted on 09/23/2009 8:57:15 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: Born Conservative

The sniper shot and killed Randy Weaver’s wife.


94 posted on 09/23/2009 8:57:34 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: stickandrudder
Machineguns are not included in that allowance. See Stewart.
95 posted on 09/23/2009 8:59:15 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Mr. Obama, I will not join your plantation.)
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To: Candor7

May be overreaching? Their very existence is overreaching. Prohibition ended 80 years ago.


96 posted on 09/23/2009 9:08:31 PM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

2nd amendment specifically says “Congress shall make no law...” so even if they did write and pass a law, that law would be specifically and demonstrably unconstitutional.

Any law repugnant to the constitution is null and void. That was a supreme court decision way back the name of which escapes me now. Kinda neat isn’t it!


97 posted on 09/23/2009 9:08:31 PM PDT by rightwingjew
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To: djsherin

>The commerce clause was meant to keep states from imposing trade barriers with regards to each other. The word “regulate” meant “to keep regular”.

That is a fact, but good luck getting a judge besides Thomas to rule that way. Even Benito Scalia sold us out when push came to shove, in Raich vs Leviathan:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2342250/posts?page=30#30


98 posted on 09/23/2009 9:09:45 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: Ken H
Don't forget this gem, The Ninth Circuit’s Revenge

Barnett cuts Scalia a new one; a beautiful sight to behold, but unfortunately the closest thing to justice that Raich was afforded by the collaborationist lawyer mafia, err, I mean "Courts."

What about Justice Scalia? He did not join the majority opinion, resting his decision on the Necessary and Proper Clause, which he had previously described in Printz v. U.S. as "the last, best hope of those who defend ultra vires congressional action."

In his concurring opinion in Raich, Justice Scalia appears to put his commitment to majoritarianism over his commitment to originalism. Yet this decision does run counter to his oft-expressed insistence that the people should act to protect their un-enumerated rights in state political processes rather than in federal court. Here this is exactly what the citizens of California and ten other states have done, but Justice Scalia's new stance on the Necessary and Proper Clause leaves citizens little, if any, room to protect their liberty from federal encroachment in the future. It has always seemed significant that he never joined Justice Thomas's originalist concurrences in Lopez and Morrison. Nor does he explain why Justice Thomas's originalist dissent in Raich is historically inaccurate, which would be incumbent on him as an "originalist justice" to do. Instead, Justice Scalia now joins in expanding the reach of the Commerce Clause power beyond even that which the Court had endorsed in Wickard v. Filburn. In oral argument he admitted, "I always used to laugh at Wickard." Now it's Judge Stephen Reinhardt and the Ninth Circuit's turn to laugh.

Gonzales v. Raich has had the salutary effect of showing that federalism is not just for conservatives. Many liberals are distressed about Justice Stevens's opinion. With a Republican Congress they have come to see the virtue of state experimentation. The case also succeeded in raising the national visibility of the medical-cannabis cause. Maybe now Congress will act where it has refused to act in the past.

But Gonzales v. Raich has placed the future of the New Federalism in doubt, which makes future appointments to the Supreme Court all the more important. Will the president name someone who, like Justice Thomas, is truly committed to federalism? Or will his nominee be a fair-weather federalist, as Justice Scalia has turned out to be when the chips were down?

99 posted on 09/23/2009 9:21:02 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: SeeSharp

The Feds bribe the local lickspittle Vichy turncoats with a share of the loot.

Let’s ask the Romans how that plan usually turns out for the employers of mercenary thugs.


100 posted on 09/23/2009 9:24:11 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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