Posted on 09/25/2009 6:59:18 AM PDT by safetysign
That's not his natural father, rather his stepather Lolo Soetero, who was an Indonesian citizen Thus the "Filipino" look.
yeah thanx. i realized that as soon as i hit “Post”.
Indonesia did not permit dual citizenship, but US law doesn't allow a minor to renounce his citizenship, nor to have his parent(s) do it for him. Thus under Indonesian law, he is or was Indonesian, under US law he is what he was before being adopted by Lolo, if he was adopted. In any event the whole move to Indonesia did not change his US Citizenship status, if he had it, and whatever it was.
In the US. It can be Hawaii, it can be most territories, or the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. All those places are "within the country" which is the Vattel/"Law of Nations" definition. IMHO, even someone born in American Samoa, of US Citizens (which leaves out most Samoans) would qualify under the Vattel definition.
I've read it, it is somewhat self contradictory on the subject (but only by virtue of quotes included in the decisions), but it does not say that anyone born in the US is a Natural born citizen, it says they are a citizen, by virtue of the 14th amendment. the two quotes in the case where "natural born" or "natural-born" are used, both differentiate between the "citizen child of aliens" and "natural born child of citizens". They just say that both have the same rights. But there is no right to be President.
If BHO was not born in the US, and his parents were married and his father was not a citizen, then he's not a citizen, under the terms of the law at the time, thus the incentive to lie about his birthplace. Even the long form may have been sumitted fraudulently, perhaps as a "unattended" birth. By the time Maya, his half sister, was born, any child of Stanley Ann, provided she had not renounced her citizenship, was a citizen, regardless of birth place, because by that time, SA had been a US resident long enough to qualify under the law. But under that law, Mya would not be a natural born citizen, just a citizen at birth. The same would be true of Obama if born ouside the country and his parents not married, he'd be a citizen but not natural born.
I don't see it at all, but Caroline's hair was similar thirty years ago.
Someone who tells lies is a L __ __ r?
What's more likely? That Obama's mom gave away his nationality (which legally she couldn't do) and made him a Muslim and that he's been lying about it ever since? Or that she and Lolo told the authorities he was a Muslim and an Indonesian just to avoid trouble with them?
I'm not saying it's an easy question, but I get the feeling Obama's mom would tell them what the school wanted to hear just to get the authorities off her back, rather than go to the trouble to change his nationality (which she couldn't legally do). She was "nonconformist" about things like that.
The religious questions a little harder. I suppose if his stepfather took him to Muslim prayers, Muslim extremists could find him to be an apostate and worthy of stoning, but his mother wasn't religious, and I haven't seen any evidence that his stepfather was either.
You can think that because she wasn't Christian and married two Muslim men that she must have been devoted to Allah and the Koran, just like some people think that because the Dunham's weren't conservative evangelicals, they must have been Communists, but in the real world, there are a lot of options in between the two alternatives.
Obama got as far as he has by blurring lines. He's Black, but not too Black or Black in the "wrong" way. He's not White, but he sort of is. He's an urban politician, but suburban in style. He's been a Christian, but also secular.
In the campaign, Obama talked so much about change that people didn't care what specific changes he wanted. He poses as decisive, without really making or having made many decisions in his political life. He proposes the biggest changes in two or three generations, but he convinced the Obamacons that he was a "Burkean" moderate.
So what's more likely, that he's a passionate, devoted Muslim? Or that things are blurred where that's concerned as well?
You're right! She does.
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