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Suspected flag burner pilloried
timesunion.com ^ | Sept. 26, 2009 | BOB GARDINIER AND HUMBERTO MARTÍNEZ

Posted on 09/26/2009 10:12:55 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

VALLEY FALLS -- The young man was given three choices: get turned over to the police, go one-on-one in a fight with a seasoned war veteran, or be duct-taped to a flagpole for six hours with a sign around his neck identifying his alleged crime: flag burning.

It was the third option that would still have the small town buzzing a week after a 21-year-old was hunted down and forced to endure a public humiliation with its roots dating to the Middle Ages. Members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 1938 were incensed enough to tie up the man last Sunday after they accused him of setting the flag in front of their building on fire.

Post Commander Nick Normile, a Vietnam War veteran, said the man came into the post's bar Sept. 18 on Poplar Avenue and was eventually turned away for not having a proper ID.

Apparently angered, the young man, who Normile did not want to name, cut the rope of the American flag flying overhead and used a cigarette lighter to set it on fire, Normile and others said.

The man sat pilloried as the village had its fall youth soccer picnic with a long parade of children passing in front of him.

"He'll never disrespect the flag again, I can tell you that," Normile said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fightingwords; flagburning; happyending; traitor; vietnamvets
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
Which is why shooting a perp during the commission of a crime should be grounds for a reward, not persecution...

It has always perplexed me why an outlaw, one outside the law, has rights. The law is for the law-abiding. Step outside the law and it should be open season on the outlaw.

101 posted on 09/26/2009 12:57:53 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: Bobkk47
None of that applies.

The affected individual made a free choice to be duct taped to a flag pole. Since he made the free choice, there was no "unlawful imprisonment".

Nice try. Thank you for playing. Better luck next time.

102 posted on 09/26/2009 12:58:57 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: Allegra
Let me get this straight; you were writing down license plates and giving them to the police because you disagreed with their sentiment? Thank you, comrade patriot.
103 posted on 09/26/2009 1:02:09 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Melas
Technically, the choice itself was criminal extortion by threat of violence.

Wrong! Please read the article.

The first of three choices was to report the matter to the police department (no violence there). The second choice was a "voluntary" bout (voluntary means no coercion or extortion). The third choice involved no violence at all.

Thank you for playing. Please try again later.

104 posted on 09/26/2009 1:04:47 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As a taxpayer and as a patriotic citizen, I applaud VFW Post 1938 for finding a just, constructive, and mutually agreeable solution to this criminal act without burdening our troubled justice system.


105 posted on 09/26/2009 1:05:41 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: beefree
Wrong! Please read the article.

Since the offender was given a choice of his punishment, the first of which was reporting the matter to the local police department, it can hardly be considered vigilantism.

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106 posted on 09/26/2009 1:07:24 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: DuncanWaring

Oh, and just in case you don’t know who our current president is, he’s an eloquent, amiable, advocate of peace and understanding... and also a radical leftist Chicago thug. So keep on railing against flag burners. Forget about the deficit, insane monetary policy, medicare,and wars that are also helping to bankrupt the country. It doesn’t matter, because Republicans will never do anything about all that.


107 posted on 09/26/2009 1:08:08 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: dr_who
I'm in complete agreement with you. Vandalism doesn't warrant unlawful imprisonment, kidnapping, or assault and battery. The “heros” that did this better hope they don't end up on the receiving end of a criminal charge and a potentially expensive lawsuit.
108 posted on 09/26/2009 1:08:39 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Melas

No doubt some will laud this, but I find it despicable.


wasn’t he given a choice?


109 posted on 09/26/2009 1:10:25 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (bigger government = smaller people)
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To: stormer

Well, if that happens, the people involved may develop a small but vocal following. But nothing will come of it.


110 posted on 09/26/2009 1:10:49 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: dr_who
Flag burning isn’t illegal

Wrong! Please read the article.

The offender burned a flag that did not belong to him. That is destruction of private property and/or theft and/or vandalism depending on the local laws.

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111 posted on 09/26/2009 1:11:33 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: dr_who

First, the “other side” uses profanity, like your use of the word “bull. . . . .”, we are better than that.

Second, the guy burned a flag that was not his property, therefore he acted illegally.


112 posted on 09/26/2009 1:12:22 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: dr_who
Don't worry. You sound like the sort of thuggish idiot I would never waste my time with under any circumstances unless I was armed. But hey, thanks for advancing conservatism. You're doing a marvelous job.

Let's take a deep breath... Now softly say to yourself, 'I am not a wimp.' Repeat until you feel better about yourself. You'll still be a wimpy little boy but the the sting will be gone. If you ever grow up, you won't have to do this anymore because you will understand what it means to be a man and will treat other men accordingly.

113 posted on 09/26/2009 1:14:06 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: Eaker

lol..how easily the emotive become what they fear...priceless..well done


114 posted on 09/26/2009 1:14:59 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: dr_who

This is the sort of thuggish behavior we accuse the other side of.


What thuggish behavior? No one saw a thing, officer. He just suddenly appeared wrapped in duct tape for some reason.


115 posted on 09/26/2009 1:15:59 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (bigger government = smaller people)
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To: Joan Kerrey
From the article: “...after he was hunted down...” That doesn't bother you? Rather than reporting the incident and relying on the sworn commissioned officers of the local PD, they chose to “hunt down” a private citizen and dispense “justice”. We are a nation of laws, not vigilantism.
116 posted on 09/26/2009 1:16:21 PM PDT by stormer
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To: dr_who
or do you press criminal charges against them? How about you, do you believe in the rule of law?

Please read the article.

The offender was offered one of three options. Reporting the incident to the local police was the first option. The offender turned down that option.

Since both the offended party and the offender agreed to the third option, all that happened was an amicable arrangement between two parties to compensate the one for his losses.

117 posted on 09/26/2009 1:16:57 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: dr_who

I know very well who the current president is.

Your tirade doesn’t change the fact that the guy at the center of the story burned someone else’s property without their permission.

That’s arson.

That’s different from burning a flag owned by the burner.

He was also availed the opportunity to take advantage of the established legal system, which he declined.

What the heck do “deficit, insane monetary policy, medicare,and wars” and do-nothing Republicans have to do with any of that?

I’m coming to the conclusion your screen-name should be “dr-huh”.


118 posted on 09/26/2009 1:20:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dr_who
I don’t think you get it. Self-righteousness over a $40 flag, probably made in China, is not a sane reason to get into fisticuffs with anybody.

You are the one who doesn't get it. Please read the article.

There were no "fisticuffs".

Two parties agreed to an amicable resolution that did not involve criminal complaints, unnecessary tax-payer funded legal expenses, or violence. It was a perfect resolution.

119 posted on 09/26/2009 1:21:19 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: dr_who
Get lost.

Ahh... The high water mark of reasoned debate.

120 posted on 09/26/2009 1:23:23 PM PDT by been_lurking
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