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Attorney: Oklahoma City bombing tapes appear edited
Newsok.com ^ | 9/27/09 | ap

Posted on 09/27/2009 3:35:40 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: Eastbound
Ok. I'm on the same page with you now. I know Rivero was not totally received by many FR folks, so I thought maybe you were being sarcastic. I was not aware of the black plastic issue, but in retrospect I completely agree. That was exactly the point driven home by General Partin during his presentation I attended. Wow, I wonder if anyone filmed that? That would make a great youtube video. His point was that high explosives - directly attached to the building's columns could only have caused the 90 degree - sheered damage and could not have been caused by a spherically shaped bomb blast.

If anyone has that recording from the Mid American Constitution Conference in Grapevine, Mo during the summer, I think of 95 or maybe 96, that needs to be youtubed.
81 posted on 09/28/2009 8:11:20 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: tang-soo; All
Wow, I mentioned this topic in the previous post and looky what I found. Granted this is only 10 minutes from what originally was an hour long briefing. General Benton Partin - USAF retired.
82 posted on 09/28/2009 8:14:46 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: tang-soo
"His point was that high explosives - directly attached to the building's columns could only have caused the 90 degree - sheered damage and could not have been caused by a spherically shaped bomb blast."

That's a "BINGO!"

83 posted on 09/29/2009 5:09:14 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: backhoe; All
If you need a research source, Backhoe will always have it, and lightning fast, too.

Well done (again), Backhoe!

84 posted on 09/29/2009 6:48:51 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: gaijin
And in Pakistan they had “glorious posters” of a 747 blowing up over Manhattan BEFORE 800 occurred..!!

Operation Bojinka. A plot to place liquid explosive devices under an airline passenger seat over the center fuel tank.

85 posted on 09/29/2009 6:57:34 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: tang-soo
For instance:


86 posted on 09/30/2009 8:40:16 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: IrishCatholic

McVeigh was also the first person in history to:

1) Withdraw his appeals and waive all future appeals of his death sentence.(despite the fact that the FBI had failed to turn over more than 4,400 pages of documents to McVeigh’s defense)

2) Not request clemency. (as 99.9% of condemned prisoners do)

3) Request that no postmortem autopsy be performed after his execution. (an autopsy could kill you)

4) Have a smile on his face as he was “executed”.

5) have so many witnesses to his execution state how uneventful it was.

6) Have at least two reporters who witnessed his execution claim that he was still breathing after being pronounced dead.

Terry Nichols also stated that McVeigh told him that he had been recruited for undercover missions while serving in the military.

Speaking of executions, Richard Snell was executed on April 19, 1995, the same day of the Oklahoma City bombing. Twelve years earlier, in 1983, Shell had also planned to bomb the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, but was arrested, imprisoned, and convicted of unrelated murders.

And despite what the FBI has claimed, they could not have identified the Ryder truck with numbers from the rear axle. Rear axles do not have VIN numbers and are not uniquely identified.


87 posted on 05/17/2010 5:56:41 AM PDT by AgentMan
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To: TXLady
From Amazon.com

The Final Report on the Bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building (Paperback)

This 556-page volume raises extremely important questions about the first major terrorist attack on U.S. shores, which was unfortunately not the last.

In hindsight, some observers wonder whether the devastating 1995 attack was both precursor and connected to the Sept. 11, 2002 attacks on New York and Washington which took more than 3,000 lives.

This research--conducted by the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, and funded by private citizens--raises many unsettling questions.

For starters it provides clear evidence that U.S. Federal authorities never found all of the perpetrators of the Oklahoma City attack, that they did not pursue every lead, and that they did not utilize all available physical evidence. Substantial evidence surfaced that dozens of crucial eyewitnesses were neither interviewed nor called at federal trials.

In October 1995, Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key petitioned the District Court of Oklahoma County for a Grand jury to be formed to investigate the bombing. His petition was denied in February 1997.

Nevertheless, an FBI agent swore in an affidavit included in this volume that Abraham Abdallah Ahmed, a Jordanian-born naturalized U.S. citizen detained by American Airlines security personnel in Chicago on April 19, 1995 met the description of one of the male suspects seen running from the scene of the bombing. Ahmed flew from Oklahoma City to Chicago after the bombing. The FBI man further swore that Ahmed's luggage, which continued to Rome, contained several car radios, substantial amounts of shielded and unshielded wire, a small tool kit and other tools. While these could be used for everyday work, they were also "consistent with use" for "explosive devices." Ahmed was requested to appear before a Grand Jury, but had fled.

The Grand Jury indicted Timothy McVeigh, along with "others unknown." Composites of two "others," each called "John Doe," are shown here. They were never found.

In addition, actual evidence from terrorist attacks in Columbia in 1989, Saudi Arabia and Lima Peru in 1996 proved that a car bomb alone could not destroy reinforced concrete supports like those in the Alfred P. Murrah building. Chemical and electrical engineers, physicists and a U.S. Brigadier General all concurred that the damage to the Murrah Building on April 19, 1995 could not be ascribed to a single truck bomb containing 4,800 pounds of ammonium nitrate fuel oil.

A former military man at the scene on April 19 to search for victims witnessed fire department teams removing two devices that were placed in bomb disposal units. These were described as "military olive drab in color," the size of "round, five-gallon drums, with black lettering designating the contents as fulminated mercury," a high grade explosive. He saw mercury switches on devices which he recognized as detonators.

Had complete work been done in 1995, might 2001 have been prevented?

Read this book, and weep for the victims of both heinous attacks. - Alyssa A. Lappen

88 posted on 05/17/2010 6:09:26 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: AgentMan

Wow! September 27, 2009...and I thought I was behind on my reading!

You must have more giant icons on your ping list than I do. (Global warming and Catholic prayer icons can add a page in a heartbeat.)


89 posted on 05/17/2010 9:56:01 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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